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You said it all. I think today is probably the most frustrating day I've had as a fan of AWAM. L&P's acting like his update was full of GOOD news, was astounding. He acts as though we should celebrate his news today, when in fact it's not what many of us wanted or expected.
The news today is about as much use to us as a cat flap would be on a submarine
 

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I count 64 separate characters. Dylan route with 3 LIs, Ellie route with 3 as well, and Sam route.

Would you mean the GW route, Dylan route (Filthy incest route), Ellie/Patricia (Lesbian route) and Sam route (Filthy, non-incest)?
Yeah - that's the sort of thing I was getting at. Four of five options rather than the multitude we have gotten so far / are likely to get in the near future.
e.g. you could easily get a fifth route by splitting Lesbian into incest / non-incest.
 
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It's interesting that many of us are reaching, or have reached the conclusion that L&P needs an editor. Previously I've said that the editor needs to be someone completely neutral & objective, which ideally they do. This would preclude the likes of us fans, with our different likes, dislikes, hang-ups & favourites.

Now, I've got the perhaps daft idea that if fans took turns editing there wouldn't be such a subjective approach & different POVs might cancel each other out. I'm just thrashing around, trying to come up with something that moves this forward, because like many here present I'm beginning to get those "Abandoned" chills.
 
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You said it all. I think today is probably the most frustrating day I've had as a fan of AWAM. L&P's acting like his update was full of GOOD news, was astounding. He acts as though we should celebrate his news today, when in fact it's not what many of us wanted or expected.
I'm keeping an eye on the Graphtreon analysis of his Patreon numbers. Apart from the usual rise and fall, the news hasn't damaged his numbers, but it probably wont for a number of days.

Yeah - that's the sort of thing I was getting at. Four of five options rather than the multitude we have gotten so far / are likely to get in the near future.
e.g. you could easily get a fifth route by splitting Lesbian into incest / non-incest.
If there were more characters available on the Lesbian route, perhaps. If Alyssa, Emma, Vicky were still available for example. But at the moment it's just Nathalie, and I suspect even if we don't meet her boyfriend, we may need to share her with Liam anyway as part of the GW Threesome.
 
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Yeah - that's the sort of thing I was getting at. Four of five options rather than the multitude we have gotten so far / are likely to get in the near future.
e.g. you could easily get a fifth route by splitting Lesbian into incest / non-incest.
Right my rant is over and I am going back to fiddling with Alyssa/Sophia and before you ask NO you cannot join in.
You want to save renders?Buy Dylan a fleshlight
 
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You said it all. I think today is probably the most frustrating day I've had as a fan of AWAM. L&P's acting like his update was full of GOOD news, was astounding. He acts as though we should celebrate his news today, when in fact it's not what many of us wanted or expected.
Exactly. It was as almost he selected the precise words that would wind up what I imagine are probably among the more pro-L&P pro-AWAM fans on this site. Now I realise that, speaking personally, as a non-Patreon supporter that my votes count for precisely zero.
But I can't imagine that any but his most ardent, blinkered Patreon would have been happy to read his update.

One of my bosses uses a particular choice example of "Manager Speak" when he goes on about "The Direction of Travel".
And applying that phrase to AWAM, we could understand when L&P had problems with new Daz updates, as to be honest, almost every Dec team did to a greater or lesser extent. And we could understand that when he tried to update his computer kit, he had some problems with those - graphics cards IIRC.
And if he had finished the update a few days late because he had got lost in the creative and the evolving storyline had resulted in say 50 more renders than planned to tell the storyline.

But the sheer number of extra renders he has done for what will still be a sex-free update and the stat about spending 30 minutes to tweak the settings on a single render just shows h is vanishing up his own backside in his ceaseless quest for never ending perfection. It is truly insane and it sounds that he would not listen to reason even if expressed in rational discourse from his Patreon supporters.....

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Exactly. It was as almost he selected the precise words that would wind up what I imagine are probably among the more pro-L&P pro-AWAM fans on this site. Now I realise that, speaking personally, as a non-Patreon supporter that my votes count for precisely zero.
But I can't imagine that any but his most ardent, blinkered Patreon would have been happy to read his update.

One of my bosses uses a particular choice example of "Manager Speak" when he goes on about "The Direction of Travel".
And applying that phrase to AWAM, we could understand when L&P had problems with new Daz updates, as to be honest, almost every Dec team did to a greater or lesser extent. And we could understand that when he tried to update his computer kit, he had some problems with those - graphics cards IIRC.
And if he had finished the update a few days late because he had got lost in the creative and the evolving storyline had resulted in say 50 more renders than planned to tell the storyline.

But the sheer number of extra renders he has done for what will still be a sex-free update and the stat about spending 30 minutes to tweak the settings on a single render just shows h is vanishing up his own backside in his ceaseless quest for never ending perfection. It is truly insane and it sounds that he would not listen to reason even if expressed in rational discourse from his Patreon supporters.....

:(
I believe the 400 render estimate even included a 10% buffer (so 40 renders, not 50), in case he went over what he thought he needed.
 
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I'm keeping an eye on the Graphtreon analysis of his Patreon numbers. Apart from the usual rise and fall, the news hasn't damaged his numbers, but it probably wont for a number of days.


If there were more characters available on the Lesbian route, perhaps. If Alyssa, Emma, Vicky were still available for example. But at the moment it's just Nathalie, and I suspect even if we don't meet her boyfriend, we may need to share her with Liam anyway as part of the GW Threesome.
I mean if we just consider female characters we have already met, in no particular order:
Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa, Julia, Amber, Nathalie, Vicky, Claire. Marie, Cathy, and if you include Emma and Cathy's sister, that would give you a dozen options.
But even if say Nathalie and Vicky appeared on both the GoodWife Route as swingers with their boyfriends, they could still easily be include in one or other of the two Lesbian routes that we discussed.

PS: by Claire and Marie, I meant the hairdresser and her daughter that came along to Yoga (in case I misremembered their names)
 

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Its your fault that I joined the dark side,now all is lost,just don't say that you are my father ok:ROFLMAO:
We're going from 3 updates per year (of half a day ingame) to 3 updates per year (of a third of a day).

Basically he has much better hardware now, which suposedly would help him but we now get less half a day for the same amount of time.
Impossible to defend this. This will eventually move to half a day per year and then abandoned.
 

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I mean if we just consider female characters we have already met, in no particular order:
Ellie, Patricia, Alyssa, Julia, Amber, Nathalie, Vicky, Claire. Marie, Cathy, and if you include Emma and Cathy's sister, that would give you a dozen options.
But even if say Nathalie and Vicky appeared on both the GoodWife Route as swingers with their boyfriends, they could still easily be include in one or other of the two Lesbian routes that we discussed.

PS: by Claire and Marie, I meant the hairdresser and her daughter that came along to Yoga (in case I misremembered their names)
Plus Ellie's dance friends - Christine, Melanie and Elena. There's meant to be a dance performance at the Community Centre soon, but no indication yet it will actually be in game. And Elena is one of only two characters in the game that is actually lesbian and not bi.
 

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good to see everyone onboard the "there's something really weird going with these development cycles".
Yeah, today feels like a pretty big watershed day for me. It isn't just that he's talking about a May release, it's the whole combination. It feels like every worse fear was confirmed today, and that every troll and negative commenter was proven right. Just last night I defended this game as not deserving the Abandoned tag. Today though, red flags are impossible to ignore.
 
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Yeah, today feels like a pretty big watershed day for me. It isn't just that he's talking about a May release, it's the whole combination. It feels like very worse fear was confirmed today, and that every troll and negative commenter was proven right. Just last night I defended this game as not deserving the Abandoned tag. Today though, red flags are impossible to ignore.
Today feels like a pretty big watershed day, more like a tsunami day
 

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I'm keeping an eye on the Graphtreon analysis of his Patreon numbers. Apart from the usual rise and fall, the news hasn't damaged his numbers, but it probably wont for a number of days.
If his announcement today doesn't get pushback, then his Patrons are dangerously close to falling into Gumdrop Games territory. If they aren't careful they're going to wake up and a year is going to pass without an update.
 
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If his announcement today doesn't get pushback, then his Patrons are dangerously close to falling into Gumdrop Games territory. If they aren't careful they're going to wake up and a year is going to pass without an update.
Patron numbers are 1,550 and they seem happy with the way things are going even after his latest post.
Whether he gets angry e-mails about this is a different matter but I guess his patron numbers would drop
 
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Yeah, today feels like a pretty big watershed day for me. It isn't just that he's talking about a May release, it's the whole combination. It feels like very worse fear was confirmed today, and that every troll and negative commenter was proven right. Just last night I defended this game as not deserving the Abandoned tag. Today though, red flags are impossible to ignore.
I really don't think this will get abandoned. From the initial response that sept0342 posted, his patrons don't seem fussed by the news and will continue to support him. And as long as that's the case, he'll just continue to do his thing, even if it means it takes 10 - 20 years to finish. As long as he continues to post teasers, even if so far they've just been "walking and talking", this wont get the Abandoned tag.

And even if the rest of playable day 12 and playable day 13 have no progress in Sophia's corruption, there is an important milestone coming up that may boost L&P's numbers: several Dylan/Emma and Dylan/Marie events (and a Dylan/Amber), would suggest he's about to lose his v-card.
 

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I really don't think this will get abandoned. From the initial response that sept0342 posted, his patrons don't seem fussed by the news and will continue to support him. And as long as that's the case, he'll just continue to do his thing, even if it means it takes 10 - 20 years to finish. As long as he continues to post teasers, even if so far they've just been "walking and talking", this wont get the Abandoned tag.

And even if the rest of playable day 12 and playable day 13 have no progress in Sophia's corruption, there is an important milestone coming up that may boost L&P's numbers: several Dylan/Emma and Dylan/Marie events (and a Dylan/Amber), would suggest he's about to lose his v-card.
Lose his V card!Is he going to fuck Alyssa's cat?
 
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