VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [P1 v0.152] [Lust & Passion]

[dolfe67]

You won't imagine a 20 yr old couple just having a baby girl, no stable income, still too young for the responsibilities of a child and then getting on it again in 3 months and having Sophia pregnant again. A reasonable 6 months wait is pretty normal. Sophia's body will still be weak from child birth plus having to breastfeed Ellie.

The problem to have a mother of 38 with children around 18 is that she had them around 20, while in the middle of her studying with no job/income. Sure she can be helped by the parents, but having kids this young is generally for uneducated people, not for people like Sophia and Liam. And 1 error can happen (Ellie) but not a 2nd so quick after (Dylan). And even 20 years ago wasn't so different (unlike in the 50s for ex). In short that's the first point of unrealism

I enjoyed Anna Exciting Affection in the same way I would enjoy an 8 minute porn video.
Minimal set up and before you know the girl is having a dp with 2 strangers that she did nt know 5 minutes earlier.
Great for a quick fap!!

So AWAM is great for a slow fap ?

 

[Alley_Cat]

I agree, there should be as much content with Ellie as with Dylan. But so far the situation is such that for one event with Ellie there are 10 with Dylan. It is not right. I want more events with Ellie and Sophia, and without Dylan. Dylan's content is already too much in the game.

It's more like twice, not 10x.

 

[Old Dog]

The problem to have a mother of 38 with children around 18 is that she had them around 20, while in the middle of her studying with no job/income. Sure she can be helped by the parents, but having kids this young is generally for uneducated people, not for people like Sophia and Liam. And 1 error can happen (Ellie) but not a 2nd so quick after (Dylan). And even 20 years ago wasn't so different (unlike in the 50s for ex). In short that's the first point of unrealism


So AWAM is great for a slow fap ?

Sophia did get pregnant while at college(age 20-21) and married Liam and for Dylan who knows but would an educated person like Sophia allow herself to be blackmailed by Aiden and the antics of Bennett?

 

[dolfe67]

I think L&P might have better results if he intended to keep the novel load with characters, to put it in a comic format with multiple chapters or series. So he didn't have to worry about 900+ renders. Or possibly split the difference and keep the VN but limited to the names on the phone and use the comic approach for the others characters.

So a kinetic novel with all the different paths happening in the same timeline ?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I agree, there should be as much content with Ellie as with Dylan. But so far the situation is such that for one event with Ellie there are 10 with Dylan. It is not right. I want more events with Ellie and Sophia, and without Dylan. Dylan's content is already too much in the game.

I think the reason for this is the rapid-fire progression that he put Ellie in right now. L&P did a good job telling Sophia/Ellie's story in a chronological sequence for their story, which flows very well, but I thought the rapid-fire progression was to keep in the pace of the 30-day time frame. I thought he would do the same with Sophia/Dylan because I wasn't sure if he would time-lapse the events at specific points in the novel. But now that L&P will no longer use time lapses, I fear he may already start down the path of the storyline being completely unbalanced.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

' There is no doubt in my mind now that we will see plotholes, unbelievable, and unexplained events taking place.' One solution would be for it to be more narrative in establishing situations. There are a lot of good movies where the movement of the cameras, a few well-thought-out dialogues allow you to set up an atmosphere, a situation. What do you think ?

That could potentially work. But how much of a challenge would it be with the other stories in the novel? It's hard to judge without seeing the outline or draft of his story and how they are weaved in the story with the other paths.

 

[armion82]

The question now would be, what is his "Vision?" L&P's original plan was only three to four years for the novel, about three years ago. Now that his VN has grown in size, Did he stray from his original design? If you look at it now, Dylan is playing the role of a second main. Was that his original intent? No one knows for sure what his initial goal or plan was for the novel's first draft. So could we say he is abandoning his vision by rewritten and adding more content to the novel than initially planned based on public member feedback and his rewrites? Unless someone here saw his original outline or drafts, no one can know for sure.

The one thing I would say is this. Suppose L&P is basing any of his thoughts on this poll and the previous one. In that case, Dylan and Ellie's content should be of similar size, and the pace should be somewhat identical, with Ellie a little bit ahead of Dylan in terms of progression and not where it is at now. Of course, I understand that Sophia and Ellie would be more comfortable about topics that she could have with Ellie versus having them with Dylan. But at the end of the day, Ellie is still Sophia's Daughter, which should fall into the same category as Sophia and Dylan. Which from a "Fictional Realism" standpoint, that would have made sense.

Elly is at least 5 years ahead of Dylan,maybe even 10.

 

[lockerxx]

I agree, there should be as much content with Ellie as with Dylan. But so far the situation is such that for one event with Ellie there are 10 with Dylan. It is not right. I want more events with Ellie and Sophia, and without Dylan. Dylan's content is already too much in the game.

ellie got Sophie/Julia/Logan( )and maybe the basketball guy.
Dylan got Sophie/Marie/emma/Ellie/Amber and maybe Clarie too.

 

[hzjujk]

Considering he has 30 days to tell the story with apparently no more time-lapses, I doubt he could balance the novel with the "Baskin Robbins 31+ plus" character approach. Simply put, he would need more time. There is no doubt in my mind now that we will see plotholes, unbelievable, and unexplained events taking place.

Not necessarily, I think a lot of abandoned erotic games are given up because the developer runs out of ideas when he has told the main route or has shown important events prematurely under pressure from the fans. At L&P I have the feeling that he actually planned a rough narrative thread. In some parts not detailed in others. And he has a lot of events / ideas that he may have discarded because they didn't really fit into the narrative he was planning. In addition, I can only stress this again and again, the original plan provided for an alternating narration from the point of view of Sophia and Liam. If he now leaves Liam's way out, he should have a lot more material to tell a story than is necessary. For example, parts of the Dylan / Elli route may previously have been an Elli / Liam route.

 

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[Old Dog]

IMHO, there are only three reasons why she could let herself be walked on like this: either she's had a trauma or she's been overprotected in the past. The last one concerns one of his two children, who almost died.
So she is ready to sacrifice everything to protect Dylan.

You know the most educated people can sometimes show a dark side.

When did the children almost die?

 

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[Dr.SigmundFap]

Elly is at least 5 years ahead of Dylan,maybe even 10.

I don't disagree with you one bit. Rapid-Fire, Warp Speed, Mach Speed..... take your pick.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Yes it is difficult without the general framework.

However, I think he has an eye for details so as not to hurl* events without context or explanations. (* not sure it's the right word )

In any case, what I like about this story is how a woman who has everything, a job, a family, a beautiful house, a reputation, is going to lose everything (or not).

I might be a sadist actually

Interesting that Sophia losing everything only really comes up when discussing the endgame of the Sophia/Dylan route. But the Patricia route, to show that Sophia can have even more.

 

[Old Dog]

During their childhood... don't look in scripts, that's a guess.

It may not be death (metaphoric), but something that happened during childhood to either Ellie or Dylan, but that Sophia dreads to see happen again.

This is why she loses all common sense in some situations.

Sophia has a lot of weakness despite his very good education.

If I put too much psychology, tell me, and I will talk about pigeons again

Thanks

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The problem to have a mother of 38 with children around 18 is that she had them around 20, while in the middle of her studying with no job/income. Sure she can be helped by the parents, but having kids this young is generally for uneducated people, not for people like Sophia and Liam. And 1 error can happen (Ellie) but not a 2nd so quick after (Dylan). And even 20 years ago wasn't so different (unlike in the 50s for ex). In short that's the first point of unrealism


So AWAM is great for a slow fap ?

Clearly the timing of when Sophia would have become pregnant was poorly conceived. It all goes back to the long-running discussion about age, L&P wants everyone as young as possible while still being on the fringe of believability. Because god knows. if Sophia was over the age of 40 she would be completely unfuckable. Once we reach the age of 40, we aren't allowed to be in most porn games.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

During their childhood... don't look in scripts, that's a guess.

It may not be death (metaphoric), but something that happened during childhood to either Ellie or Dylan, but that Sophia dreads to see happen again.

This is why she loses all common sense in some situations.

Sophia has a lot of weakness despite his very good education.

If I put too much psychology, tell me, and I will talk about pigeons again

AWAM "The Sequel" should be all about the Pigeons or at least a spin-off.

 

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