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OK so I played this game for a few hours and wanna help the dev by giving some ideas on where to take the game, but before that, I wanna say that I LOVE this type of playstyle. There's simplicity and a certain enjoyment you get when you just turn your brain off and "play" a VN but Sandboxes like this game make you FEEL that you are actually controlling the character and that you actually LIVE WITH the people around you, you actually see your family around the house and that you go to school with other students so I personally generally prefer WELL MADE sandboxes and this has the potential to be one starting with:
- Removing the point system, one of the gripes many people have with sandboxes is grinding for levels and getting the points up to actually progress with the characters, my idea for fixing this is to remove the point system altogether and change it so that instead of grinding for points, you now have to view each scene/get every interaction that the character has and when that happens, a new scene plays that ends up with the character drinking your cum and levels up the character
- Integrate the Shawnchapp mod into the game, doesn't have to be all but at least the character locator at the bottom. Funny as this sounds, remember that this is a porn game, it's not really supposed to be challenging or make you think lol, making the game a little easier to play through wouldn't really detract from the experience
- Family first, it's good that dev is expanding the world by introducing the school setting as IT IS built on the premise that you can corrupt whoever you want, but imho, this is an incest game first, the mom and sisters are the poster girls- literally, so I think dev should focus on making scenes for them first and completing their progress before delving into the school aspect (Imma just be real, porn games delve into fantasy, obviously, but it's WAY easier to get into your classmate's panties than your sister's ). focusing on the more "fantastical" side of the game with the family side will be better for getting support and traction into the game instead of trying to balance it out between the two
- Don't make the MC an asshole, but also don't make him a loser (like it's funny when the succubus calls him that) what I mean by that is, make him actually normal, he's a virgin, cool, but don't make him a straight up pervert that only talks and thinks about sex whenever he sees a woman, he's corrupting whoever he wants and can make them his slut, cool, but don't make him one of those annoying rude MCs that is just obnoxious to self insert into. I really like how he interacts with the succubus where he does have control over her, but it doesn't go over his head, and he also thirsts for his family, but he's not straight up groping them and being a perv tho he actually is perving on them, I like how he at least disguises it into teasing/caring for them. All in all the dev is pretty on track with this one
- Keep the slow burn. The lower levels will probably not be much in terms of sex as it makes the sex scenes less special because it became so normal too quickly even though it is supposed to be taboo
- The following are my suggestions for the levels, this is my personal idea of how a slow burn type of pace should be:
- Just make it so that a little bit of staring is now fine, make the characters warm up to each other more
- Make physical touch more casual like holding hands/face, pinching, hugging, arm around elbow, stuff like that
- The characters being okay with MC being near them for an extended period of time (ik this is kinda odd but just being in each other's presence shows a lot on how comfortable people are with each other, even if they aren't really talking) of course keeping the staring/casual physical contact
- Kissing and making out, pretty self explanatory, this is the first actual "boundary breaking" in the game (level up scene is of course the first long kiss or french kiss MC will have with them)
- Make revealing clothing/being in lingerie and hard nipples/boners a little more casual, now this is where the fun really starts. Being that this is a corruption game, just make it seem that this is normal, keep it light hearted with teasing that the MC has a boner around his family and stuff, maybe while she is changing make mom say "you're staring at my boobs again" in a way that she's slightly annoyed, but not really bothered and doesn't really make MC stop, stuff like that
- Make characters be casual about the fact that MC is masturbating around them/while looking at them and quickly groping the characters, "innocent" touches here and there, kinda like how little sis was on top of MC in the intro but the characters just think it's not a big deal
- Casual exposure where MC walks in on people peeing/changing/showering but it's not a big deal, you can also make it so that MC can grope longer or take the character's top off casually
- Introduce full casual nudity, taking character's panties off, staring into bare chest/pussy and you can cum on the characters, they can also help MC out with his boner, (it'd be cool if the level up scene for this is like the characters presenting their pussy to the MC and casually talking about it)
- Being able to touch the characters how ever the MC wants, groping pussy, fingering them, and all the foreplay stuff without actual penetration
- Penetration on some of the interactions if characters are alone or something like that
- Basically free use, sex wherever and whenever MC wants, as long as the other characters don't find out
- Free use house where everyone finally finds out that MC is fucking his mom and sisters and that this stage can focus on the fact that MC doesn't have to hide anymore if he's fucking one of them
- Lesbian/sharing, three/foursomes and that sex, nudity, and cum stains are super casual in the house
- PUBIC HAIR PLEASE! it can be a toggle for people who don't like it, or maybe make it a corruption level with a story reason as to how or why the MC can dictate whether or not the character shaves. Pubic hair is really something that's missing on a lot of porn games I've played and it's kinda sad as this is one of my actually normal kinks XD
- TAYLOR EACH LEVEL UP AND INTERACTION TO EACH CHARACTER, MAKE EACH CHARACTER'S PROGRESSION UNIQUE WITH HOW THEIR RELATIONSHIP IS WITH THE MC
- MOST IMPORTANT: Keep the fact that this is an incest game and that despite all the sex they are having, they are still a family, basically don't make the characters full on bimbo cum-hungry sluts (that's just me, but it can be fun as an alt mode or level 14)
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give me a game, give me an MC with a personality, give me a house with an active family, give me a funny succubus, give me a godness (Maria Supremacy), but why not give me real lewd scenes???????? WHYYYY
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It's happening everywhere, just because couple of game become popular
He will but it won't change anything, dude just copy paste like other corruption games but with a lil higher quality!
Hard agree on just about everything here specially the first point of getting rid of the grind for more of a collection of scenes that progress bit by bit but you don't have to repeat. This will save you from landing a similar bad as the my new neighbors dev.
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Thank you for liking the characters. The lewd scenes will come as the game progresses. Is not like I don't want to add them, but they can't say hi, shake hands and fuck eachothers brains out
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When are you planning to add them tho?
Its 4th update and still no solid sex sneces(
Ok Fine no "shake hands and fuck" its good... but you put only new characters, how many we have, 20-25 ? If you want give them some "long corruption story" we will see meybe after 3 years or longer. For me now its look like BIG TITS and Incest bite for millking sub. I hope i wrong because game looks nice, but update progress its... eh.
GL
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sandbox VN games mean progressing in order to get to the actual scene. I mean I get your point, you can't wait for the sex scene in the future update and so do I. but, if the game itself goes fast progress to the point where " say hi, handshake, and fuck " why not just delete the sandbox tags and turn it into a normal VN where all you need to do to skip all the dialogue just to get to the scene? I mean I'm sorry to say this at first, but do you ever try play sandbox VN games? such as agent 17 / love and sex second base? or maybe virtues? I mean all of that is same, progress slowly bit by bit, to the scene. hell, even If you read some of the dialogue on this game, that's explained the MC (us) using corruption method in order to get the girls, which logically, gonna take step by step. here's the thing, the game still on early development so just give the devs a try and see how's the game go to the future atleast couple of update, this game has potential after all.
I know that my english is poor, but did you try to understand what i write ? If i write on start that NO SHAKE HAND AND FUCK is FINE, and you set that like argument that i want fast sex in game its Madness ( it is Sparta )
Yeah i played many game from F95zone, and i see many game who set SUB BOTTOM with BIG tits girls + some fetish TAG, and count milking of $, of course after 2-3 years they abandoned.
I dont see many "step by step" progression, only new options in "many more girls".
I hope i wrong and it will be one of best game here.But like you say its only erly development and give time, its 1 year from start sow write what i see and what is my opinion after 1 year of w8ting.
I hope no bad blood feelings
GL Dev
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Thank you for enjoying the game and taking the time to write your opinion and suggestion, before responding, as well, I want to tell you that I'm really happy my game can give you the feeling that a sandbox game is supposed to give. I'm happy that the characters feel alive and that you can introduce yourself into the game through the MC. Now, to address your points.
1.Your idea is nice at first but it has its downsides as well. First of all, there has to be a clear definition of "view each scene/get every interaction that the character" does that imply every variation of every single scene that that girl is part off? Even the ones where she's not the main girl of the scene, and it's a side character of others girl scene? The player won't be able to keep track of that and it can get annoying pretty quickly as well. The solution to that is that I would have to keep track of every single scene the player is watching and handhold him into finding each and every single one of them, which is something I don't want to do. And the second flow, which is the main reason. I try to give a reason to everything I add in the game. The pointing system isn't just a mechanic in the game, it's a system that is present in the game itself, that the MC and Mhyrorin are aware of. The point of the game is to corrupt the girls by certain methods. If for a girl the best method is to be nice and sweet but a bit pervy and push the limits little by little, you shouldn't be allowed to lvl her up (and in consequence make her love you more) by only being a perv, or an asshole and so on. There would be a time where you won't know for sure what you have to do to raise a girls stats, and you'd have to try out different methods, see which one works and so on. So it's more than just a mechanic in the game, it has it's own identity within the games world. I get that the mechanic could get a bit annoying, but I don't mind that. I think that some things should be a bit annoying, but of course it is a fine line that you have to navigate. I agree with maybe tweaking the numbers to make it less annoying, and I waited and wanted to hear that feedback from the players, to maybe find a sweet spot for the stats, but I haven't heart that yet.
2. This being a porn game, it's not supposed to challenge your believes on life and reality itself, or make you study hours to pass a puzzle or smth like that. But with that being said, I don't agree with this statement "remember that this is a porn game, it's not really supposed to be challenging or make you think" It's porn, but it's also a game, and I think any game should give you any kind of challenge or make you think at least a little. You have lots of other options that give the player the satisfaction of being able to just kick back, watch some porn, and rub a quick one (or a long one idk). But from the first point, and the second one together, it just seems like a normal visual novel with a few extra clicks. The endpoint would be to just remove the sandbox completely. Add that to the absence of a walkthrough and it feels like I've made the dark souls of porn games, which would be a compliment I guess, but I don't think my game is that hard.
3. When I first started the game, I would have agreed with you. I wanted the main focus to be the incest, and in consequence, of course, the family. As I developed the games story, I changed my perspectives a little, and I don't view it as an "incest game first" anymore. But since I first made the plans with the incest being the priority in mind, for a while it's going to be. Meaning that the first girls to receive a lvl 2 will be the family. I don't want you to think that the mom and sister will be a distant afterthought, just that, the girls that make the more sense will get the most attention. I'm sorry I can't get into a lot more details regarding this point, since I don't want to give spoilers, but what I can say is that the most important girls in the MCs life will get the most attention, and his family is part of that group, but a couple of girls will be as well. Regarding the school, I explained this point before but I'll try to explain again. Let's imagine I didn't add the school and focused on the family like everyone asked. Let's say I take Isabella to lvl 3 or 4 and at that point she maybe kisses the mc without any care, maybe she show herself naked to him without caring, etc. And after that, I add the school, and the MC goes to school for the first time. In the games timeline, you should go to school for the first time while all the girls are lvl 1. And now, from an update to update players perspective, you just shoved your tongue down Isa's throat a minute ago, now you go to the school and she doesn't let you touch her leg. And that's a thing I really disliked about a lot of games I played. An option that is not really an option would be to add the school with the first 4 lvls done from the start, which is not really duable, but you can say, just make her scenes to lvl 4, but then again, she has a lot of shared scenes, what do I do there? And a lot more of this kind of situations that I have to take into consideration. I have to find a way to balance the players that play update to update, since they are the ones subscribing to patreon, and of course I have to show consideration to them too, but I have to keep in mind how the game would look to someone who starts playing half way through the games development, or even when it's done.
4. On this one we pretty much both agree, and I believe that the MC, although the game is still early and I didn't have the time to flesh out his character more, has a pretty colored personality, and is not too one dimensional. So on this point I don't have much to add besides that, only a thank you for liking how the interactions between the chars go and their personality, I work a lot to flesh them out as best as I can.
5. My thoughts align with yours as well on this one, and I'm really happy you know what a slow burn is. It's actually rare apparently. To give a bit more details on this, the slow burn will be as slow or fast as it makes sense for the characters. Some maybe will be harder to corrupt, some easier. It won't be a set thing, where for all the girls, let's say lvl 3 or 4 means they kiss the MC. The progression will advance based on if it's something logical for the girls to do or not.
6. My explanation on point 5 pretty much implies that I don't want fixed things to happen on lvls, so it kinda invalidates your ideas. Sorry about that. I read all of them, and they are good ideas, maybe I will add them, but not on set levels.
7. Sadly, a toggle for public hair wouldn't be as easy for a game in renpy, with scenes made in honey select as it would be in other games. Just that toggle would mean at least twice the renders, and maybe even new special scenes that would focus around the public hair, so that's not something really duable. I'm sorry, but for now it's a no on that one. Maybe I will change my mind in the future
8. This point invalidates your 5th point as well, and it's pretty much what I answered at 6. The progression will be tailored per character. Meaning it won't go the same for every one of the girls. For some will be faster, for some slower, for some will have extra steps, for some will skip a few. Some girls will get corrupted to a certain point, and others far beyond that point. Again, I will do what feels more logical for each of the girls
9. Besides what I already answered at the point 3, to add to that and respond to this one, not just the family, but most of the girls will keep their personality throughout the corruption. Not just the family, but most of the girls, there will actually be quite a few who will go into completely mindless slut mode. I am trying to build their personalities as best as I can, trying to avoid having them 1 dimensional, and give them depth. And I don't want to lose that. So yes, they will "full on bimbo cum-hungry sluts", not just the family, but most girls. A "full on bimbo cum-hungry sluts" is nice to have every now and then, so some girls might, but just a few.
Okaaay, I think I answered everything I hope. I wrote to much to double check the writing on that, so sorry for typos and bad english. Sorry if it was too long, but you put so much effort into your feedback, I thought it would've been respectful to respond in the same detailed way. Sorry if I came across mean, or maybe combative, but it's just the way I phrase things, try to read it in a delicate voice if it helps
. And uhhhh, I don't know what else... I hope you're happy with my responses, I hope where you don't agree we can agree to disagree and thank you again for taking time out of your day to help me improve the game. This is the whole reason I released it so early into the development and thanks to people like you I can improve my way of working and the game itself. And thank you for liking the game!TL;DR
People go "sandbox bad" but then play sandbox wanting just visual novel. I go sandbox good!
Game is too hard! I don't think it's too hard!
This is an incest game, focus on family! - I don't view it as just an incest game!
MC personality kinda nice! - Thank you!
Keep the slow burn! - oke
Pubic hair toggle! - too small effort to reward ratio, sorry.
Don't have an endgame where they are all "full on bimbo cum-hungry sluts" - oke
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I know that my english is poor, but did you try to understand what i write ? If i write on start that NO SHAKE HAND AND FUCK is FINE, and you set that like argument that i want fast sex in game its Madness ( it is Sparta )
Yeah i played many game from F95zone, and i see many game who set SUB BOTTOM with BIG tits girls + some fetish TAG, and count milking of $, of course after 2-3 years they abandoned.
I dont see many "step by step" progression, only new options in "many more girls".
I hope i wrong and it will be one of best game here.But like you say its only erly development and give time, its 1 year from start sow write what i see and what is my opinion after 1 year of w8ting.
I hope no bad blood feelings
GL Dev
first of all, I do understand what you're saying about the game alrdy has " too many character " without a solid scene so far. that makes the game it self probably going to be a long run of year in terms of progression, which also.. alot of people actually love this game including me as well, but can't wait to get the main scene. but here's the thing, my assumption is right now the dev is trying to create the foundation base of the " how many character " that going to be in this game. so he can maybe decide how many scene with that character, or how many scene with this character and so on..
because the version 0.1 is initial release, ver 0.2 is the update introduction of our house explore area which is the existing character back on the ver 0.2 only has 3 (excluding the MC) Isabel, Claire and Mom. the school itself hasn't even updated/unlocked yet so there are only 3 chars including MC that makes 4. ver 0.3 school update released, and 19 new character introduced to us (but still hasn't have any major scene at that moment) and finally ver 0.4 now kinda add additional update for the " exploration " sandbox thing to add more touch. now I try to not have any ill assumption in here so I'm sorry if I was wrong, but maybe your first play in game was on version 0.3 which is " new character introduction released " and then the 0.4 came out, so it looks like there's no scene at all even though there alrdy so many character in there.
so because of that, like I said earlier this games still on early development so there's a lot of this and that need to be improved. the game it self even hasn't reaching ver 0.10 and for a sandbox vn like this, it will have a time and room for new improvement in the future. and lastly have a nice my man god bless you and sorry if I make mistake
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