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ilkit1234

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We go beyond just generating and hoping, that's where controlnets and photoshop come in. But yeah I also had to learn the hard way many months ago now that just typing in a prompt and clicking generate is not good enough to make a VN, not a remotely good one anyway. I mean just the other day I was chatting with BCG (not to be confused with CG) about how much time it took him to get a person to hold an object in a certain way, something pony is not particularly adept at understanding even with controlnet.

It becomes frustrating when people belittle the work that goes in after sometimes spending a crapton of time on a single image, there are images that are just generate, quick touchup and move on. Those are the freebies. But a lot of the time a single image can take a lot of time to get just right, and then you have to factor in the time to figure out how to best display that image. CG enjoys the comic book look - "bd" he mentioned to me once although I'm no expert on that terminology - and that also takes time to get right.
I'd buy this excuse if each update didn't take longer...and longer...and longer. After the dev said once they left their job updates would be faster. The dev also has become less active. The initial releases there was nearly a daily post.

This is a trend that happens with a ton of devs. They build their fanbase and monetization. Then once they are comfortable, they heavily pull back. It's laughable to say otherwise when we all know how quickly CH 1-4 came out.
 

idkmanerally

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I'd buy this excuse if each update didn't take longer...and longer...and longer. After the dev said once they left their job updates would be faster. The dev also has become less active. The initial releases there was nearly a daily post.

This is a trend that happens with a ton of devs. They build their fanbase and monetization. Then once they are comfortable, they heavily pull back. It's laughable to say otherwise when we all know how quickly CH 1-4 came out.
this is what i was getting at before the guy came with his canned "making AI images is hard" speech. no shit, dude!

i know it's hard! but the point is, once you get your workflow dialed in, it doesn't get magically HARDER. unknowns become known, weights become standardized, the dev gets better at doing cleanup in photoshop, etc.

so why does it take longer and longer and longer as it goes?

one reason is the dev choosing more and more complicated scenes (like the club scene, with lots of photoshopping required). but that's a creative choice, the dev doesn't HAVE to do that. in fact i'm fairly sure that was a lot of people's least favorite chapter because of how fragmented it was. but a scene like this every once in a while is fun, i think.

the other reason feels more obvious: dev is enjoying spending his patreon money and isn't working as hard. this is supported anecdotally by the dev being less communicative with each release, and the dozens of examples of this happening with other games.

i'm not a cruel patreon taskmaster, i wouldn't give a shit if the dev took a month off to have fun and go on vacation. look at moonripple lake, that dev is the gold standard for reasonable delay communication. what bothers me and others is the insistence that everything is 100x harder than it is and everyone is working 100x than they are. c'mon. we can see what is happening: things are slowing down considerably. it's insulting to be told it's not, especially when you are giving money to support it (which i no longer am, btw, i quit subbing after chapter 4)
 

ilkit1234

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this is what i was getting at before the guy came with his canned "making AI images is hard" speech. no shit, dude!

i know it's hard! but the point is, once you get your workflow dialed in, it doesn't get magically HARDER. unknowns become known, weights become standardized, the dev gets better at doing cleanup in photoshop, etc.

so why does it take longer and longer and longer as it goes?

one reason is the dev choosing more and more complicated scenes (like the club scene, with lots of photoshopping required). but that's a creative choice, the dev doesn't HAVE to do that. in fact i'm fairly sure that was a lot of people's least favorite chapter because of how fragmented it was. but a scene like this every once in a while is fun, i think.

the other reason feels more obvious: dev is enjoying spending his patreon money and isn't working as hard. this is supported anecdotally by the dev being less communicative with each release, and the dozens of examples of this happening with other games.

i'm not a cruel patreon taskmaster, i wouldn't give a shit if the dev took a month off to have fun and go on vacation. look at moonripple lake, that dev is the gold standard for reasonable delay communication. what bothers me and others is the insistence that everything is 100x harder than it is and everyone is working 100x than they are. c'mon. we can see what is happening: things are slowing down considerably. it's insulting to be told it's not, especially when you are giving money to support it (which i no longer am, btw, i quit subbing after chapter 4)
Agreed. The dev is a graphic designer by trade so it isn't like they are just learning photoshop etc. on the fly.

Setting aside the excuses of complicated scenes in CH 5 requiring more time, will this "Anya DLC" have the same complicated work? Clearly not. So it takes me back to what I originally said before the "expert" started to freak out. Why could previous chapters finish in 1-2 months and a single scene is now taking 2+ months? I think I recall this DLC was supposed to be part of CH 5 in the first place.

I was also a prior sub for many months since the beginning. But this disdain from devs whenever they are questioned or criticized is ridiculous. They think they are entitled to our money and we have no right to our opinions. There's like 1-2 devs I can think of that show gratitude and humbleness to their supporters when they face criticism.
 

Lmb55

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this is what i was getting at before the guy came with his canned "making AI images is hard" speech. no shit, dude!

i know it's hard! but the point is, once you get your workflow dialed in, it doesn't get magically HARDER. unknowns become known, weights become standardized, the dev gets better at doing cleanup in photoshop, etc.

so why does it take longer and longer and longer as it goes?

one reason is the dev choosing more and more complicated scenes (like the club scene, with lots of photoshopping required). but that's a creative choice, the dev doesn't HAVE to do that. in fact i'm fairly sure that was a lot of people's least favorite chapter because of how fragmented it was. but a scene like this every once in a while is fun, i think.

the other reason feels more obvious: dev is enjoying spending his patreon money and isn't working as hard. this is supported anecdotally by the dev being less communicative with each release, and the dozens of examples of this happening with other games.

i'm not a cruel patreon taskmaster, i wouldn't give a shit if the dev took a month off to have fun and go on vacation. look at moonripple lake, that dev is the gold standard for reasonable delay communication. what bothers me and others is the insistence that everything is 100x harder than it is and everyone is working 100x than they are. c'mon. we can see what is happening: things are slowing down considerably. it's insulting to be told it's not, especially when you are giving money to support it (which i no longer am, btw, i quit subbing after chapter 4)
I give a lot of devs the benefit of the doubt because their game is just a passion/side project, but circlegames quit his job to be a full time dev. Sure we're getting the first Anya DLC here in a few days, but I don't even really care about Anya so I probably wont see any content that I like for at least 2-5 months, depending on the next "DLC" after Anya then however long chp 6 will take. I had just hoped for a little more output for this project then what we're getting atm.
 

palmtrees89

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I'd buy this excuse if each update didn't take longer...and longer...and longer
Why could previous chapters finish in 1-2 months and a single scene is now taking 2+ months?
Well, part of the reason for that is the amount of images. CG just wants to make bigger and better scenes from what it looks like, which is obviously taking more time. The game's art has also seen changes over the chapters and there's more script to work on.

It's not like images are the only thing he's working on. Writing scenes and having ideas isn't exactly something that manifests itself out of thin air either. Add to that the rework of images from Ch01 inbetween Ch05 and Anya's DLC (not the best timing for that IMO). He's also been adding new features to the game like animated transitions and animations (the latter is outsourced I believe) in general. Bringing new features to the game adds time on the clock aswell.

Ch01 has 74 images in it's folder while Ch05 has 344 images. Less writing vs more writing. More time spend on the writing (big difference now compared to early chapters).

And as mentioned before, CG is giving refunds if people feel like they got scammed or don't like it. Not that many devs out there doing that either. As for communication, he is very much active on Discord and his community is quite happy from what I've been told.

Anyway... 2 more days guy. Let's not lose our minds over this. lol
 
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Thelegit52

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My guy, when I talked about touching grass I meant it for nobody more than you. You have over 3000 posts in under 2 years, you're so addicted you stick around and spam in threads even for VNs you claim to disdain. I'm not meaning this as an insult, but porn addiction is bad for you. Hope you're able to overcome it. Like your life revolves around this stuff, I get paid to make it and even I don't spend even half as much time engaged.
Hello dev, i haven't been a fan of this game for too long, i started playing around chapter 5, and i like the game a lot, and i wouldn't try to tell you how you should be operating, but if i can give you one advice, don't stretch yourself too thin, just focus on one thing at a time, some people here might be gooners/losers/degens, but it is a hentai game, those are your fans , it is only natural.
My suggestion (which means absolutely nothing at all) is to keep the main story going, once that is done, people would naturally want more, then you could add dlcs or whatever,again, it is all entirely up to you, just a suggestion from a fan, best of luck to you !
 

SymbioticLife

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Hello dev, i haven't been a fan of this game for too long, i started playing around chapter 5, and i like the game a lot, and i wouldn't try to tell you how you should be operating, but if i can give you one advice, don't stretch yourself too thin, just focus on one thing at a time, some people here might be gooners/losers/degens, but it is a hentai game, those are your fans , it is only natural.
My suggestion (which means absolutely nothing at all) is to keep the main story going, once that is done, people would naturally want more, then you could add dlcs or whatever,again, it is all entirely up to you, just a suggestion from a fan, best of luck to you !
I don't work on this game. I have a lot of respect for CG as a dev - given he not only inspired my own efforts with his incredible work but has done cross promotion for our project and been very helpful to us in general.

I don't want people thinking I speak for CG in any capacity, I don't. In fact I have minimal contact with him (and when I do it's all talking shop), I do however have good relations with him and his team and simply seek to counter some of the disinformation that gets spread.
 
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VoyeurRed

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Plz don't bite my head off for asking a question on here, I'm new .....I understand the misgivings on the time it's taking for ch.6 to drop, but am I to understand that only 1 of the DLC's (Anya) will be coming out? If so, does anyone have info on the "After-party" DLC release?

Also I love the way the AI is generated for this game and Shadows of Ambition, is there anyway someone could let me know of a couple games/visual novels/kinetic novels that use this same style AI rendering? I would very much appreciate you

As a new follower of these types of content so far my big 3 are (not in any particular order):
My New Girlfriend
Shadows of Ambition
Moonripple Lake
.....now looking for more as good as those in terms of looks and delivery....thx
 

palmtrees89

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Plz don't bite my head off for asking a question on here, I'm new .....I understand the misgivings on the time it's taking for ch.6 to drop, but am I to understand that only 1 of the DLC's (Anya) will be coming out? If so, does anyone have info on the "After-party" DLC release?

Also I love the way the AI is generated for this game and Shadows of Ambition, is there anyway someone could let me know of a couple games/visual novels/kinetic novels that use this same style AI rendering? I would very much appreciate you

As a new follower of these types of content so far my big 3 are (not in any particular order):
My New Girlfriend
Shadows of Ambition
Moonripple Lake
.....now looking for more as good as those in terms of looks and delivery....thx
Anya DLC drops on March 30th, then development for the 'Afterparty' DLC. There's no release date for the latter yet, but I'd assume a month or two depending on how big it's gonna be.

As for other games with similar art, you'll have a hard time finding any that are good besides the ones you've already mentioned. Most of 'em do the silly phone NTR thing and there's a new one popping up in what feels like almost a weekly basis.

You could try with the "latest update" function on top of the page, then use tag filters on the right with "AI CG" and whatever other tag you may be interested in. :)
 

VoyeurRed

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Anya DLC drops on March 30th, then development for the 'Afterparty' DLC. There's no release date for the latter yet, but I'd assume a month or two depending on how big it's gonna be.

As for other games with similar art, you'll have a hard time finding any that are good besides the ones you've already mentioned. Most of 'em do the silly phone NTR thing and there's a new one popping up in what feels like almost a weekly basis.

You could try with the "latest update" function on top of the page, then use tag filters on the right with "AI CG" and whatever other tag you may be interested in. :)
Thank you for the info about the drop date.

That does suck to hear about the lack of competitors with this good of AI generated content, hope the creators of the three I mentioned can crank up the releases for everyone sooner rather than later.... and yes I understand they're human and need time for mental fatigue breaks. Just kinda got addicted to Vi and the rest of My New Girlfriend' crew.
 
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