VN Ren'Py Shattered Dreams: Redemption [v0.3] [Nebula Dreams]

[hysepReC]

Hypocrite, that’s just her way of saying she loves you.
(No, but seriously, it means you talked to her about Mina, so you made up for it after the quiz )

Honestly, I felt like my answers were reasonable. I don't want to act like an asshole towards her, but at the same time, I wouldn't want to date someone that posts provocative photos online for anyone to see.

I really didn't want to tell Lena about Mina, I don't think it's any of her business whether I'm on her path or not. But if I don't, I don't get to meet Ella.

I told her about Mina and still didn't meet anyone called Ella. Guess you also need to pass her little test as well for that.

 

[Skylaroo]

My answer is right there in the quote, voyeurism with a game's romantic partner is designed to cause the same type of emotions like a NTR scene

I think this is a very misguided train of thought. The fundamental aspect is the "romantic partner". NTR clearly revolves around current romantic partner (i.e.: your gf or wife). On the other hand, voyeurism is not with the current romantic partner (i.e.: anyone who isn't your gf or wife). Considering that dev explained that the planned scene is with an LI that you rejected (i.e.: you have no romantic interest in her), then clearly it isn't NTR. While the act of watching is the same, the motive for voyeurism and NTR is very different. To claim that they are designed to cause the same type of emotion while having different motive makes no sense.

Watching porn, or watching Randoms you never interact with is not the same thing like watching people you have emotional attachment with. Again you offer good examples of how to implement voyeurism, yet you use a LI from the game to do it, so the player sees what he lost, because that is why its there to get an emotional reaction from players.

Sorry I missed this post of yours before and this is actually a great post. The key point here is the emotional attachment. I agree with you that watching porn or randoms having sex give no emotional attachment. However, the difference between you and me is that I'm able to detach that emotion because I'm not pursuing that LI. I'm not pursuing an LI because I have no romantic interest in her character. Therefore, I don't have emotional attachment to her.

Now the question is, why are you emotionally attached to a character that you don't have romantic interest in? IMO, this is the root of your inability to separate the two because now I understand that it is caused by you having emotional attachment to non romantic partner.

EDIT: I also want to add this part.

Which M&J scene,

M&J is a great example because them being lesbian/throuple is optional. So for those who are not into lesbian/throuple, they can choose to opt out. That doesn't mean that it's a "waste of time" to create that path. Similarly here, even if you really must consider voyeurism evoking the same emotional reaction out of you as NTR, you can choose to not engage in the voyeurism.

What I claimed from the get go, target different audience, playing both sides.

Lastly, I think it is massive exaggeration to claim that dev is playing both sides when the voyeurism is probably less than 1% of the game. You'd have more point if the game heavily focused on voyeurism, but it doesn't. For what it's worth, M&J's relationship is a much more prominent aspect in BADIK (because they are major characters that continue to stay with you throughout the whole game ) than the voyeurism in this game (which only exists if you specifically pursue it and non-existent otherwise). If you're able to accept BADIK having optional content, you should be able to accept this game having optional content too. It is hypocritical otherwise.

 

[Skylaroo]

I understand you, but don’t worry, she’s not going to disappear... She’ll come back later for you...

Oh there's a way to meet Ella without going through Lena? I guess that's going to be my 7th path

 

[MiltonPowers]

Honestly, I felt like my answers were reasonable. I don't want to act like an asshole towards her, but at the same time, I wouldn't want to date someone that posts provocative photos online for anyone to see.

I told her about Mina and still didn't meet anyone called Ella. Guess you also need to pass her little test as well for that.

I think as long as you answer the first 3 questions positively, you can say no on the last one and you'll still get a pass. She'll says it's a little hypocritical, but understandable (and you'll get enough points to pass).

I'd have to check, but from memory you need a pass in her test and tell her about Mina to get invited to the photo shoot where you'll meet Ella, I did that and was then able to shut the Lena path down afterwards.

 

[PickerLewd]

I really didn't want to tell Lena about Mina, I don't think it's any of her business whether I'm on her path or not. But if I don't, I don't get to meet Ella.

Hey Milton, I saw that you made your classic card board for this game, are you sure about the lewdable and not lewdable list?

I still have my doubts about Luca's daughter .

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[MiltonPowers]

Hey Milton, I saw that you made your classic card board for this game, are you sure about the lewdable and not lewdable list?

I still have my doubts about Luca's daughter .

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LOL. that actually came up a while ago, when someone asked about it. Dev was pretty clear it wasn't going to happen.

 

[hysepReC]

I think as long as you answer the first 3 questions positively, you can say no on the last one and you'll still get a pass. She'll says it's a little hypocritical, but understandable (and you'll get enough points to pass).

I'd have to check, but from memory you need a pass in her test and tell her about Mina to get invited to the photo shoot where you'll meet Ella, I did that and was then able to shut the Lena path down afterwards.

Yeah, just retried it. You have to say it wouldn't bother you if your hypothetical girlfriend posted lingerie photos, otherwise it's a fail. Oh well, I'm sticking with my original answer.

 

[Nebula Dreams]

I told her about Mina and still didn't meet anyone called Ella. Guess you also need to pass her little test as well for that.

Exactly ! If you pass her test, you get to meet Ella during the photoshoot. Otherwise, you just improve your relationship with her.

Oh there's a way to meet Ella without going through Lena? I guess that's going to be my 7th path

Yes, for some players, this will be the second time they see her, while for others, it will be the first time.

Yeah, just retried it. You have to say it wouldn't bother you if your hypothetical girlfriend posted lingerie photos, otherwise it's a fail. Oh well, I'm sticking with my original answer.

Lena is a girl who's hard to... satisfy

 

[MiltonPowers]

Yeah, just retried it. You have to say it wouldn't bother you if your hypothetical girlfriend posted lingerie photos, otherwise it's a fail. Oh well, I'm sticking with my original answer.

Yeah, I think I said I was OK with hypothetical GF posting lingerie/bikini, but not OK with nudes. Which Lena seemed to think was fair enough.

 

[AlexMpog]

As for Lena's quiz - never had problems with it. I think I answered all questions with "I don't mind" except last one (picked "I don't mind unless it's my GF") and I passed. Lena also said it's a bit hypocritical but she understands where is this coming from.

I’ll ask Maddison to fix that for the next update, sir.

Thank you for putting in a word kind sir

The game looks pretty good for a new dev's first project, he must have experience from before for sure, remember the first chapters of first time devs back in 2020-2021? They were justifiable in those first hard attempts, but then came the pandemic of reworks .

I've played all kinds of games and almost nothing offends me, so I respect every idea the dev has. I played up to the part where you sign up to be Mina's assistant.

A game where there will be a monogamous relationship with its own drama, I'll write what I think about some of the characters:

MC: A very sad life, I swear in the first scenes I thought he was going to try to commit suicide, but I was wrong . The worst thing is not the injury or the loss of fame, but the fact that he hasn't earned a penny. Apart from his idiot father or the possible drama with the girls, I can't see him getting into any more trouble... well, there's the Mafia, which at first seemed to be united only by the father, but it looks like they're going to be the main plot.

Maddison: A total keeper, someone who is there for you in your worst moments is priceless, and she's beautiful. Let's be fair, there are very few games where the developer plays dirty and introduces an ugly girl with a personality so great it makes you wonder and doubt.
For me the game is over, you can only choose one girl, so I choose Maddie, who has been around forever, The End™.

Jennie: All normal, it's okay. I didn't call her after the first date because I chose the other option, if it's like other games, I probably won't see her again because of that decision.

Lena: A real landlady and not a mother in disguise .
I was amused by the amount of questions she asked you during the sofa chat, surely it was the dev testing the waters .
She also calls me a hypocrite and gets angry when I tell her I don't care about nude pics on the internet unless it's my girlfriend. I think I lost her for the rest of the game with that answer .

Mina: I can't figure her out, she's the Korean pop singer.
Okay, at least we have to help her get rid of the corrupt manager, but I have no idea where her plot is going.

Whoever can contribute to the game, please do so, I would also recommend selling it on itch.

Cheers !

I mean, I am with you about Maddie, she's best girl for me too, BUT - there is also Ella, don't be too hasty)))

 

[MagicMan753]

I saw what Ella looked like, and damn.

I know you said you have no planned throuples, but if you ever find it in your heart to reconsider, I think Mina and Ella would be perfect, and it would make my life easier.

Also heard Maddison got two more scenes, hopefully that slows down a bit, just to open stuff for other girls to get some love.

I am excited to fully dive in, from the start, cause I don't remember much(skipped through first time just to see if I was interested), need to get a nice refresher and somr actual story. I am really excited to play again sometime this week though.

 

[D4rkK1ng]

Nice update,i really like this VN so far , great job dev.
I know harem isnt planned (and not throuple either) and i dont have problem that harem isnt planned because its more realistic this way even though im gonna need dozens of saves...
But i wish Throuple ending was possible.
So far Mina is my number 1 choice
but Maddison is also very good and i appreciate the fact that she stayed near MC even after his injury...so i dont have the heart to reject her (even though they never where together officialy they stayed as friends)
and Ella is HOT.... probably the hottest LI so far in my opinion.
Jennie is nice and quite beautiful but she seems somewhat fragile/tired(for the lack of better words) propably because of her previous relationship but we also know that she is looking for something serious)
and Lena even though she is beautiful i dont really like her that much she is quite agreesive and gives me somewhat femdom vibes ...she is the type of LI that likes to have the control in the relationship im not into that.


ps Mina and Ella throuple it would be really nice or Mina and Madison.

 

[PickerLewd]

No, it was said that only monogamous relationships are allowed .

Maybe you can have a Throuple with secondary characters and something like a Semi-Throuple if there is a cheating system, which I don't know.

 

[goulet1995]

I find it really weird that you think it's a very peculiar detail that people who don't mind or fans of any genre (not even specifically about "cuck adjacent content") not complaining about that genre. Of course anyone would only complain about something if they hate it. That's just common sense.

However, this also depends on how secure/insecure the person is. When it comes to optional content, I have been that guy who thought "I hate it, but I want the dev to follow his vision" in many games because I can understand there are other people who don't mind it or a fan of it, and I can just skip that optional content. Only someone insecure would request a removal of something optional when they are already given the power to not consume that content.

Its not optional at all though you can just skip the scene

 

[goulet1995]

Now the question is, why are you emotionally attached to a character that you don't have romantic interest in? IMO, this is the root of your inability to separate the two because now I understand that it is caused by you having emotional attachment to non romantic partner.

kind of dumb point most people will do multiple saves for the characters there interested in since its not a harem it might not be active path but that dosnt mean interest in character is gone

 

[XV71]

Still having this dumbass argument, dev gets off on a technicality.

 

[Skylaroo]

kind of dumb point most people will do multiple saves for the characters there interested in since its not a harem it might not be active path but that dosnt mean interest in character is gone

If you're making multiple saves for different girls without being able to separate your interest, then that's on you.

 

[goulet1995]

If you're making multiple saves for different girls without being able to separate your interest, then that's on you.

not me i just dont play non harem games

 

[Nebula Dreams]

kind of dumb point most people will do multiple saves for the characters there interested in since its not a harem it might not be active path but that dosnt mean interest in character is gone

I didn’t want to go into too much detail about what triggers this scene, but let’s just say it only happens if the MC rejects the LI while acting like an asshole.

So theoretically, if you’re emotionally attached to this LI (and would likely start again a save to play her path), then you wouldn’t have any reason to treat her like an asshole in the first place and more importantly, you’ll learn by someone during the party that this scene might happen, so if you choose to watch it while still being emotionally attached to her, then you’re being illogical with yourself.
(If you didn’t treat the LI like an asshole, this scene will never happen and won’t exist in your path)

And before anyone asks, "Yeah, this is some kind of punishment"—No, because the LI isn’t doing this to taunt the MC. She’s simply moved on with her life and you’re simply seeing the reality of life—the girl didn’t just stop living after her moments with the MC.

And once again, if you don’t like the idea that a girl just continues living her life, like every other character in the game’s universe, then this game isn’t for you.

You might see some of them with a new job, a new hair color, etc.—and if you make the right choices, these meetings will go well.
But if you acted poorly and make the wrong choices, don’t expect the LI in question to be happy to see you again—and that’s completely normal.

Still having this dumbass argument, dev gets off on a technicality.

Please, explain your point—I truly have no issue discussing this as long as we keep it civil.

 

[Nebula Dreams]

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