KingAgamemnon

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I believe that the trials are additional bonuses. From everything we've seen, it appears that trials 1) Come from a Apostle connection, 2) Are not a requirement for evolving, and 3) Provide an ancillary bonus that the user otherwise would not have as a normal part of their power set.

From what I remember, these are the trials that we have been made aware of: MC's trial, wherein he connected with each of the Apostles. This one is a bit of an outlier in that it seemingly comes from Syla, who is a Chosen, but is offset by the fact that the MC connects with each of the Apostles. As for what he gains out of it, it provided a significant boost to his Memory powers, which had been lacking up until then, and sets the stage for potentially being able to use and manipulate abilities outside of those of Body and Memory.

There is Michael's trial, which appears to be the absorbing of different types of energy, among other things, which he ultimately fails. It came directly from Power, and if succeeded would have given him the ability to retain the evolution trance permanently.

There is Ella's trial, which tasked her with massacring and absorbing everyone from her school, which she ultimately failed by refusing to consume Christie. If successful, I believe Ella would have become a proper Dual Spawn like the MC was, correcting her seemingly low percentage of Memory, and seeing as Memory comments on it I believe that the trial came from her.
 
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This is just completely baseless speculations considering we haven't seen how most of the Pure Spawns fight at lvl 3. I don't know how you can say it so definitely like it's a fact. Time also could not stalemate forever even if you assume they have the time loop ability at lvl 3 because they will eventually run out of power.





Syla said MC lacks the focus of a pure spawn, not that he's at half the capacity of a pure spawn. It's completely different. Also while MC lacks the focus of a Pure Spawn like Ella he can also do sth Ella can only dream of like copying animal traits so it's closer to a give-and-take than a direct downgrade even before MC trained his Memory's part. Just imagine Ella against Val as a lvl 2, she would hardly do a better job than MC despite being a Pure Spawn.





Nowhere was it stated that she half ass train, more like the opposite according to Shen. The lvl 4 was literally the reason she got stabbed in the first place so I don't understand your point. She was also not twin boosted by default, they need to intentionally access the share power pool otherwise Evander wouldn't tie with Met. Am I supposed to be surprised that a lvl 3 who had been training for over half a year beating a lvl 3 that had barely been a SH for a month? "She's literally one decent hit, one kill." Congrats for describing everyone besides MC and Ella.



I like how people shit on Devana for being arrogant while doing the exact same themsevle ignoring Syla 's warning about not being cocky and we should't underestimate the Moon twin.


First off, I thought I was pretty clear that these were my views, some of which, hell maybe even most of which was "completely baseless speculation", that I was guessing, not that I thought my guesses were objective fact. If it wasn't clear, let it be clear now. Sorry for the confusion.



Secondly, the argument you seem to be making about the split spawn thing seems a matter of similar confusion; albeit, possibly partly due to me not speaking clearly. I didn't say he had half of a pure spawn capabilities in potential but that he was only using half in actuality. MC did not use memory based powers that didn't involve reading or stealing memories with physical contact in a fight before he went to Dream World period.



Just using Memory Echo in his bedroom almost caused him to faint at least twice.




My argument is this: How can MC fight at his max capacity when half of his potential is related to his memory powers that he can barely use by his lonesome, and certainly couldn't use during a battle?



Seems he couldn't. Granted, I don't think his fighting potential was nerfed completely by 50%. His memory powers doesn't appear anywhere near as useful in physical confrontations as his Body powers. Syla and the Rebis' memory deletion of MC's memories accidentally nerfed his future superhuman capabilities in fights certainly, and maybe even completely. He has potentially removed this nerf completely by the end of the last arc, but is the power potential damage done? Who knows?



Maybe, not even Weird World yet. I don't know!




Lastly, you are right. It isn't stated that cute ass Devana half ass trains. I simply inferred it. Maybe that was incorrect for me to do, but considering that she has instant creation capabilities and may be Creation's chosen and gave MC less of a problem than Deryl when he betrayed MC during the Jake Arc, who depends on his stone and preparation to do things breeds my suspicion.




I think Devana is a bum. I think if you put most of the other named superhumans we've seen fought in her position with her potential in the same, exact circumstances, they would be superior to her. I think comparatively, she's a skill bum of similar bumness as Cole.



However, I do think she will only get stronger and more threatening as time progresses. I do not underestimate her.




I didn't state that she was twin boosted by default. I simply stated that she was. The why to me is irrelevant. No, you shouldn't be surprised that MC almost pwned her. You should be surprised that MC almost pwned someone that talks the shit she talks while being assisted by multiple sources of help such as Rebis plans, Evander, and Shen.



One decent hit one kill doesn't describe a lot more people in the VN than just Ella and MC. Gunvald, Malik, Henri, Syla, Indra, Full Power Valrav'n, all of the Apostles, I could've been as equally snarky here as your congrats statement but I feel a lot of frustration you seem to have with me or my statements are based on misperception of views or the objective validity of my views. So I won't.




I don't underestimate her. I respect her power. Her power's gonna be a problem. I will continue to diarrhea on anyone arrogant who gets shown soon afterwards that they aren't as mighty as they think. I FEEL. I BELIEVE that Devana was a Cole level skill bum. I doubt she will ever become as skilled with her capabilities as the MC or most of his team members. The most she'll ever be, I FEEL, in skill is average, and that's fine, but skillbums and those of average skill, shouldn't be arrogant period. I stand by that belief.



Arrogance also annoys me period. Not even talking about Devana here. You know your capabilities, Why do you feel the need to brag about them? Or belittle others. I would find it annoying even if the most capable person such as Indra or Gunvald engaged in it.




Also not being snarky with the capital words just making sure everyone who reads knows what I think is fact and what are just my subjective beliefs which could always be objectively wrong. Sorry in advance if it comes across as such!
 
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OnlineRando

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These are just my personal guesses. I'm not trying to state objective reality. It's also more of solo power utility ranking than a 1v1 superiority ranking. Apologies for not aptly naming it. About Nico vs Nyx, I have a strong belief(just a belief not even a theory) that Nyx can either survive anything Nico throws at her or negate her portals entirely using negative energy.

Notice, she challenges Zach for his Captain spot, not Nyx. One would think Nyx would be a better matchup for her if Nyx couldn't survive or negate her abilities. She knows Zach can predict the future and still thinks she can beat him. Granted. I think she has a personal issue with Zach but if she's so confident in her power being able to grant her Captain status, she would try out Lucius or Nyx,

It seems she knows better than that. Also Lucius would probably pwn her.
Well tbf, going off of solely what we know, without any support from others, Zach could never beat her. The only thing we know for sure he can do is save and load, but there's simply no way he's fast enough to dodge her portals, regardless of how much he loads. Even if he dodges one, she can easily spam them, and also adjust her aim by seeing what he's meaning to dodge.

He also shouldn't be that physically strong. Unless he can stop time or something, I just don't see him beating her 1v1.
 
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Lastly, you are right. It isn't stated that cute ass Devana half ass trains. I simply inferred it. Maybe that was incorrect for me to do, but considering that she has instant creation capabilties and may be Creation's chosen and gave MC less of a problem than Deryl when he betrayed MC during the Jake Arc, who depends on his stone and preparation to do things breeds my suspicion.


I think Devana is a bum. I think if you put most of the other named superhumans we've seen fought in her position with her potential in the same, exact circumstances, they would be superior to her. I think comparitively, she's a skill bum of similar bumness as Cole.
Personally, I'd say her brother is more of a bum. Devana is at least willing to try out a variety of tactics, even if she hasn't learned how to do any of them well. Evander's only move is to charge straight at his enemy. And as we saw against the MC, that just isn't effective against a peer combatant. Someone as fast as he is can easily dodge him or knock him away. Evander only did damage when the MC was distracted, and he has no ability to provide distractions on his own. Even against Met, who willingly counter-charged and met Evander head-on, Evander wound up just as badly hurt as his opponent. Learn how to fight better, dude.
 

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Seems he couldn't. Granted, I don't think his fighting potential was nerfed completely by 50%. His memory powers doesn't appear anywhere near as useful in physical confrontations as his Body powers. Syla and the Rebis' memory deletion of MC's memories accidentally nerfed his future superhuman capabilities in fights certainly, and maybe even completely. He has potentially removed this nerf completely by the end of the last arc, but is the power potential damage done? Who knows?
I think I recall his mom saying that it was good they focused on for simple survivability, for the first few evolutions there wouldn't be any notable difference but that the gap between purer spawn would stand out as they grew in power, they would need to work on both to compete with them. Working on it probably would have made the Jake fight a lot easier but there is no long term consequences in not focusing on it initially
 
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Well tbf, going off of solely what we know, without any support from others, Zach could never beat her. The only thing we know for sure he can do is save and load, but there's simply no way he's fast enough to dodge her portals, regardless of how much he loads. Even if he dodges one, she can easily spam them, and also adjust her aim by seeing what he's meaning to dodge.

He also shouldn't be that physically strong. Unless he can stop time or something, I just don't see him beating her 1v1.
I don't see her beating him in 1v1. I think against Nico, he could save scum spam virtually forever. No one's going to watch a forever fight so it results in no contest and he would just keep his title like you do in the case of no contests.

He's probably fast enough to dodge her portals. He was fast enough to survive suspected encounters with an Avatar of The Lord of Dark and Indra at level four. If memory serves right, at level 4, you can use monster energy to survive without oxygen, food, water, sleep and last but certainly not least, to propel your body, Kira and Elijah are shown to be training this in order to stay stagnant and move in the air. This is before or after their last evolution. He can probably propel his body faster than she can propel her portals in a fashion similar to Ella running away from her portals.

His advantage being over Ella that he can probably predict their paths indefinitely, at least against Nico. So Nico just gonna have get over herself.
 
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I think I recall his mom saying that it was good they focused on for simple survivability, for the first few evolutions there wouldn't be any notable difference but that the gap between purer spawn would stand out as they grew in power, they would need to work on both to compete with them. Working on it probably would have made the Jake fight a lot easier but there is no long term consequences in not focusing on it initially
Good to know. Thank you for the info. Forgot it.
 
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Personally, I'd say her brother is more of a bum. Devana is at least willing to try out a variety of tactics, even if she hasn't learned how to do any of them well. Evander's only move is to charge straight at his enemy. And as we saw against the MC, that just isn't effective against a peer combatant. Someone as fast as he is can easily dodge him or knock him away. Evander only did damage when the MC was distracted, and he has no ability to provide distractions on his own. Even against Met, who willingly counter-charged and met Evander head-on, Evander wound up just as badly hurt as his opponent. Learn how to fight better, dude.
Excellent points, but I feel he at least doesn't skim on his training. He just currently lacks tactical versatility. That seems more easily solvable to me than not taking training seriously while being aware of multiple powers that would wipe the floor with you.
 
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I think I recall his mom saying that it was good they focused on for simple survivability, for the first few evolutions there wouldn't be any notable difference but that the gap between purer spawn would stand out as they grew in power, they would need to work on both to compete with them. Working on it probably would have made the Jake fight a lot easier but there is no long term consequences in not focusing on it initially
I just recently replayed this VN a few months ago and I gotta say dealing with Jake appeared alot easier than I remembered my first playthrough. Dude really wasn't cut out for combat. A Memory Fixed MC would've wiped the floor with him.
 

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Man, I really hope there's a meaty epilogue or maybe even a sequel.

What are some things you guys would like to see happen that probably wont happen in the finale? Personally, I wanna see the entire monster world gang reach level 5 organically, no ham-fisting or rushing; or maybe even one of the big 3 going rogue.
 
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If successful, I believe Ella would have become a proper Dual Spawn like the MC was, correcting her seemingly low percentage of Memory, and seeing as Memory comments on it I believe that the trial came from her.
I would disagree. I don't think a pure spawn can become a Dual Spawn. You're probably either born that way or aren't, She would've probably went further along the path as the Body's new chosen tho. I also believe she would've learned how to incarnate as well, but she seemed to have messed that up. Now all she can do, in my opinion, is align herself to someone with superior power potential than herself as a fallen Chosen such as Jake, MC, Alice, Micheal, Evander, or Devana,

If memory serves right, Memory prefers Dual Spawn, but doesn't mind Pure Spawn. If memory serves right, Body prefers Pure Spawn, but doesn't mind Dual Spawn. All other apostles would kill you immediately if I remember correctly.

Ella is now destined to be another Chosen's or superior than Chosen ally. She's lost self determination power due to not being able to incarnate like Syla. She probably never would have anyway.

She shows that she completely disregards any opinions or duties others place on her period. During her last evolution, she's shown telling either the 3rd or 4th or both, "No. I don't listen to you. You don't tell me what to do." What apostle would make her disobedient ass their Chosen?

They want the reverence that Indra or Valrav'n have towards their lords. The two most reverent are also seemingly the two most powerful Chosen at full power. Correlation or causation. I think both!

Like with any rational god, obedience means being given more power. Disobedience means less power. Ella just doesn't care and think she can align with or create something even more powerful than her progenitors. Maybe, she can! Maybe she can't! We'll see.
 
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hsuaisbsjsh

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As long as it isn't anyone I know, I have more important things to do as a superhuman than to stop sex trafficking and potential murder rings. But their should've been a Slurpee option lmao. Stealing that rich rapist fucker's identity would've improved MC's options tremendously back then.
WW wasn't really that focused on branching paths when he made that so i think he might get back to upgrading and expanding the early branching paths in the future updates especially since yeah stealing his identity could help mc a lot.
 
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i mean even they themselves say that they don't know the full extent of how powers work in a different scene during that arc sooo. and they also say they don't even know how mcs powers work that they can only study him to figure out and even then then they don't know how plus he hasn't reached level 5 so they don't know the full extent of his powers. so they don't know how all powers work just the ones they have studied and even then they don't know the full extent of ALL powers or what they are or how they work plus they haven't studied ALL powers.
MC can't edit powers, or clone spam like Lucius. His powers are memory manipulation and shapeshifting. Anything that is too close to another power MC probably can't do. Anything that is too specific he can't probably do as well as someone whose specific power is that thing. Ability altering is another power so he can't do it. Clone creation is Lucius power, so he can't do it nearly as well.
 
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WW wasn't really that focused on branching paths when he made that so i think he might get back to upgrading and expanding the early branching paths in the future updates especially since yeah stealing his identity could help mc a lot.
If we're lucky. I heard he wishes to move on to another work in the future so revamping past Arcs beyond the art seems antithetical to that, but perhaps he'll change his mind.
 
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Man, I really hope there's a meaty epilogue or maybe even a sequel.

What are some things you guys would like to see happen that probably wont happen in the finale? Personally, I wanna see the entire monster world gang reach level 5 organically, no ham-fisting or rushing; or maybe even one of the big 3 going rogue.
I'd like to see a fight between the MC and Elijah. Elijah feels to me like he was designed for a fight scene. He either has a strong positive or strong negative opinion about the MC, making for good dialogue fodder if they come into conflict. His bouncing powers make him resistant to most but not all of the MC's attacks, meaning the MC can win but only if he gets creative. And Elijah was the direct inspiration for Bernhardt and Henri's conversation about superhumans who are "a different breed" being as strong at level 4 as the current generation is at level 5. If the MC beat Elijah at level 4, it would be a good way to foreshadow that the MC is on his way to being as strong as the big three by the end of the story.
 

hsuaisbsjsh

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MC can't edit powers, or clone spam like Lucius. His powers are memory manipulation and shapeshifting. Anything that is too close to another power MC probably can't do. Anything that is too specific he can't do as well. Ability altering is another power so he can't do it. Clone creation is Lucius power, so he can't do it nearly as well.
i mean mc is only at level 3 so he might be able to do that stuff in the future plus the difference between 3 and 4 evolved people are major. and he can do specific stuff it just requires some help for now from deryl like when he brought the crystal girl back to life after he neck got exploded or something and he can change a human down to the atom so he can be super specific on humans just not on superhumans plus with superhumans its wayyy more complicated
 

hsuaisbsjsh

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You said the game never explained how power works and it's possible to change people's power by altering their brains and I'm telling you that it's not true. When Bramon talked about copying power he has explained how power works and it's impossible to change people's power just by altering their physical body. Which part do you not understand?
no i fucking didnt say CHANGE powers fucking learn how to read. but maybe your brain needs a recap.
like what happens if we change someone's brain to think that their powers are to control water when its really to control fire or changes their brain where they think they have no powers.
that's what i said
 

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no i fucking didnt say CHANGE powers fucking learn how to read. but maybe your brain needs a recap.
like what happens if we change someone's brain to think that their powers are to control water when its really to control fire or changes their brain where they think they have no powers.
that's what i said
You literally said it can change people's abilities in your first reply. Your brain needs a recap more than me considering you didn't even remember what you said.
Also don't tell people to learn how to read with your broken English it's embarrassing.
heck maybe he can even force evolution if he tricks the brain if he gets enough skill and power to do that like he could do a lot with his power to change others abilities. like what happens if we change someone's brain to think that their powers are to control water when its really to control fire or changes their brain where they think they have no powers.
 
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