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Ella says that she modified her nervous system to give her faster reactions, but she doesn't say by how much. She could have theoretically given herself light-speed reflexes by running fiber optic cables through her body, but that still wouldn't let her move at light speed. The signal would reach her muscles near-instantly, but the muscles would take the normal amount of time to contract. She also probably couldn't perceive at light speed, either, since the receptor molecules in her eyes would have a minimum time required to reset after absorbing a photon. I think it would actually be more harm than good to have a light-speed nervous system. From your perspective you'd get a single flash of images, then hours of darkness as your body so slow it's like it's stuck in cement. It would be torture.
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I was wrong; It wasn't light, but thought rather. But considering this was from Nico, a level 5's pov, that's still mighty impressive. 1743286073674.png
Suffice it to say, Ella's fast af
 
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Tbf no one other than the big three was a level five for long, since in the Ella vs Clark and Alexis fight they said the formula was completed just recently. And I don't really doubt that a level 5 superhuman's specialty could easily reach the speed of light.

Powers from Light would probably be those that surpass the speed of light, at least most of the time.

Imma go recheck Ella vs Nico ... this is gonna take ages.
I thank you beforehand just for the effort. I feel she probably could move faster than light in the future if she worked towards it long enough, but not yet! I wouldn't state that editing one's body enough to move that fast would be Ella's specialty. I think a superhuman geared towards super-speed and super-speed alone would have that specialty. Ella's power is Bodily Perfection, but as a Greater Spawn, she lacks the focus necessary for something as specific as light-speed capable running legs or Colossus capable bodily strength. She's more a Champion CrossFitter than a Olympic Powerlifter or Sprinter if you catch my meaning.
 
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Ella says that she modified her nervous system to give her faster reactions, but she doesn't say by how much. She could have theoretically given herself light-speed reflexes by running fiber optic cables through her body, but that still wouldn't let her move at light speed. The signal would reach her muscles near-instantly, but the muscles would take the normal amount of time to contract. She also probably couldn't perceive at light speed, either, since the receptor molecules in her eyes would have a minimum time required to reset after absorbing a photon. I think it would actually be more harm than good to have a light-speed nervous system. From your perspective you'd get a single flash of images, then hours of darkness as your body so slow it's like it's stuck in cement. It would be torture.
I'm glad there's someone here who can enlighten me on the particulars of certain abilities despite my absolutely huge willful ignorance of hard science. When Alice's powers are discussed, I just be like, "o_O". "What the hell are you talking about?"
 
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Suffice it to say, Ella's fast af
Certainly, she is. I did not doubt that. I remember her running from Nico. She even shapeshifted into some demon looking thing at one point. I just didn't think they were lightspeed.

Zach probably can't move nearly as fast as her, but I think his time loop ability will be just enough to get him to last until a no contest declaration in a fight against Nico.
 

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Certainly, she is. I did not doubt that. I remember her running from Nico. She even shapeshifted into some demon looking thing at one point. I just didn't think they were lightspeed.

Zach probably can't move nearly as fast as her, but I think his time loop ability will be just enough to get him to last until a no contest declaration in a fight against Nico.
Mayhaps.
 
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i mean if she does follow through she would be way smarter to subtly make him weaker by teaching him how to do it but making it to where he has to consume most of his power to do so, so that way he thinks she's still on their side but she's really not.
Likely won't be an option for her with a smart MC who hasn't fallen for her temptress seduction. We seem to be heading to the fork in the road where MC has to either decide to work with Ella and use SIN, work with HERO, or appear to do either of the former options while actually working for himself. He's currently too weak in power, knowledge, and resources to go rogue intelligently when he gets back to Earth, but he can start laying the foundations for his own independent movement while appearing to work for either groups.

If MC lets Ella trick him like that this late in the game, he deserves whatever fate befalls him.
 
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We don't know if the requirements are trials or whether they gave them any benefit beside letting them naturally evo to lvl5.
Actually it was said that even completing the requirements doesn't guarantee you can naturally evo to lvl5.
Ella got her magic eye's from her trials I'm pretty sure, and she did that obviously before level 5.
 
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I'm still waiting for the shoe to drop that Ella lost on purpose/intentionally drew out the fight so that Nyx would show up, so that moment wasn't as cathartic for me

MC is gonna have to be the one to put her in her place and even then she's probably gonna be so smug about it anyway
My problem with this is that this move seems so risky, but risky is right up Ella's alley. They could've just destroyed body afterwards.

Lisa might put her in her place too(though,being a nymph probably negatively affects her training regimen and mindset), or a Chosen will, if not MC.
 

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I just recently replayed this VN a few months ago and I gotta say dealing with Jake appeared alot easier than I remembered my first playthrough. Dude really wasn't cut out for combat. A Memory Fixed MC would've wiped the floor with him.
I don't even think it's his powers that make him shit at combat, just his nature. He was a major pushover his entire life prior to becoming a superhuman and even after he was pretty reluctant to utilize them in any meaningful way (until Ella's manipulation at least). Mc, meanwhile, grew up not taking shit from others and being more than willing to throw down despite his below average stature. He also didn't hesitate much to begin utilizing his abilities after becoming a superhuman.
 
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Without Apostle or Eye help, purposeful or accidental, he won't. Or at least I wouldn't write it like that unless WW plans on making everyone who isn't at least an Apostle, Alien God, or a Chosen who can incarnate(Valrav'n, Indra, Glae, Eis, Aos is doubtful) level appear weak. It would ruin H.E.R.O as a potential threat to a corrupt path MC if he caught up to them too quickly. Only threats then would be monster or extrauniversal or extraplanal sourced. Unless he plans on ending the game while MC is still level 4. Hmm...
Even if the MC would be like Malik, Bernhardt and Henri, that wouldn't mean he could solo Hero, at all, since he would just be on the level of the big three individually as a level 5, and that surely wouldn't cut it to take the whole organization even if Malik and Berni somewhat have a Shonen-Protag mentality of 'Let's fight 1vs1'

We know as a fact that the big three as level four were stronger than Elijah and Kira in level 5 already
 
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Ella got her magic eye's from her trials I'm pretty sure, and she did that obviously before level 5.
I think that's what the massacre was supposed to do. Right before Ella starts the massacre, she says:

Monster-Influenced Ella said:
Our eyes... are still blind... w-w-we must feed... s-s-so that we can see.

O-O-Only then, can she begin her s-s-search.

M-M-Memories v-v-visible. The O-O-One...
Either Ella didn't screw up enough by refusing to kill Christie to prevent her from getting the special eyes, or she did but did another ritual that finished the job.
 
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I don't even think it's his powers that make him shit at combat, just his nature. He was a major pushover his entire life prior to becoming a superhuman and even after he was pretty reluctant to utilize them in any meaningful way (until Ella's manipulation at least). Mc, meanwhile, grew up not taking shit from others and being more than willing to throw down despite his below average stature. He also didn't hesitate much to begin utilizing his abilities after becoming a superhuman.
If I remember correctly tho him being of his nature is exactly why Authority chose him as her Chosen. I would imagine that anyone that docile in nature would probably have issues in physical confrontations;therefore, I would state that all of Authority's Chosen are fated to be at least somewhat deficient in fights. Granted, I believe that Jake was a special shit fighter case. An outlier. Ella even said that his power being so mental focused was weird and she knew his Apostle parent.

Authority herself probably sits in the bottom third with Creation and Fantasy, in my opinion as the most solo fight deficient Apostles. Memory can at least make their opponents, if weak enough spam miss while they attack back like Syla did with Indra. They can even make you forget your most dangerous techniques.
 
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Was Ella's body that broken? Wouldn't that mean that everyone that's managed to land a strike on her was moving at similar speeds at level four?

Duncan and that lieutenant chick hit her. Granted she was playing around with them so that could've just been her taking it easy.

But that would mean that Nyx, Malik, Clark and Alexis can attack at or near lightspeed. I doubt that all of those people(Alexis the most) can do so. She wasn't even level 5 that long. Lightspeed antics seem to be Light's Chosen, Big Three, and Ancient Chosen level antics at least. Clark is fast as fuck. Clark's faster than Ella certainly and Nico talks about him, like she can beat him. Nico's portals aren't that fast.
Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast
 
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Even if the MC would be like Malik, Bernhardt and Henri, that wouldn't mean he could solo Hero, at all, since he would just be on the level of the big three individually as a level 5, and that surely wouldn't cut it to take the whole organization even if Malik and Berni somewhat have a Shonen-Protag mentality of 'Let's fight 1vs1'

We know as a fact that the big three as level four were stronger than Elijah and Kira in level 5 already
Agreed, I'm just stating that I wouldn't write it that way. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying being a possibility. I think, granted you can take it too far, but for the most part, "The longer and bigger the Big Three are as threats, the more content you can write."


With that said, you don't want to get into milking territory like Walking Dead or my old love One Piece. To see Superhuman walk the dreaded milking path with plot content(milk erotic content forever fuck yea) would be a tragedy. I think there's three type plot writing options for writing good enough to even pay attention to depending on any particular audience member's viewpoint: Rushing things, Doing things just right, and milking.

Hitting the middle sweet spot for a majority consensus of your total audience is rare and hard but worth the attempt.

My personal view is that what you are describing would be trivialize the MC competing and fighting against Lieutenant HERO level threats during this arc and I would categorize that as rushing, but you and anyone else are certainly free to disagree!

I liked watching MC go from fighting a group of armed humans in a diner, to fighting a weak monsterfied human like Kenny, to fighting a weak monster or monsters, to fighting same level superhumans like Oscar or Klaus, to fighting against a stronger superhuman like roided Klaus, to fighting much stronger monster or monsters to eventually fighting Lieutenants, Chosen, Captains, Apostles, Extrauniversal threats and maybe, just maybe an Arbiter.


I want to see him be compared to, compete with and fight against Lieutenants of all their varying powerlevels.

I'm not judging your wants or desires. I'm just stating that mines are different unless you are suggesting that MC catches up to the Big Three towards the end of his level four progression, in which case, I would have much less of a problem. I'm sorry if that's the case. I thought you meant stronger than them fresh off their fourth evo

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if I misunderstood you. :LOL::LOL:
 
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Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast
I don't think I ever suggested that only Light's Chosen can move that fast. I may have suggested and will suggest now that the only baby level 5s that can is a Light Chosen or a Lesser Spawn with Super Speed as their ability. Ella, Nico, Clark and Alexis are baby level fives. Nyx is too, but she's been improving her monster power for decades as level four. She's way above all none Captain superhumans outside of Henri.

Malik, Henri, Gunvald, and Zach moving that fast wouldn't surprise me at all. They've had decades of power development time and potentially decades of power body propulsion experimentation time.
 
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Malik attacking at light speed don't really sound that crazy, I mean the fucker already has a teased attack that would completely violate the physical laws of the universe in the form of the Planck Heat, but yeah, he would probably need to concentrate and put all of himself on it, against Ella he was going fairly relaxed.

About the chosen of light being the only one with LS, that wouldn't need to be true, Michael's energy beams are fast, faster than lightning at least, yet Met dodged it, meaning that him, as a Superhuman with Lightning powers is faster than the natural element, I can totally see the light Apostle or it's spawn on upper levels being faster than natural light as well, especially since Agle mentioned that only the Light and Ether apostle would reach the Monster Dimension traveling using motion without taking an eternity, so it must be on the farthest corner of the universe, and light, natural light on the great scheme of things wouldn't really be that fast
Nyx already has light speed reaction/reflexes at the very least she caught tiffany during her light form very easily during Tiffany's evolution.So big three and even other strong level 5 might not have light speed for travel but they surely do for combat .
 
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