VN Ren'Py Where It All Began [Ch. 3 Full] [Oceanlab]

[jamdan]

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I saw that post. But I will keep my stance. Just because it's free, doesn't mean it isn't good. And it doesn't have the baggage of licensed music either, that he is getting to experience now.

This is the same issue that has been talked a lot about in this thread over the past couple years. He chases the highest quality possible, even if he doesn't need to. And that, in the end, hurts the games.

 

[zandalari]

Love the man and his perfectionism is a reason why the games are so good, but come on. If there really is a scene that is synched to a particular song and mood, can we not get a reminder to put on X song on our own? If not in the game then put a list under Dev notes on here. If the player really wants to experience that particular feel, they will find the song and still get the full emotional impact without any licensing. This is the last issue that should lengthen the already long development times.

 

[LostGhost]

If the devoloper has rights to use the songs can they release them as a patch?

 

[Nurikabe]

If the devoloper has rights to use the songs can they release them as a patch?

Unfortunately, even though the developers had a license to use the music, the terms of use were updated to exclude its use in adult-themed (i.e. lewd) games. In some cases, the change was retroactive. Even if previously approved, developers now have to remove the music from their games.

 

[PenguinFuhrer]

I seriously don't understand the use of music in VNs at all. It just annoys me and takes away "immersion"

 

[SamualHand]

I seriously don't understand the use of music in VNs at all. It just annoys me and takes away "immersion"

I seriously don't understand the use of pictures in VNs at all. It just annoys me and takes away "immersion"

You know you can turn the music off? While I can't remove the pictures!

 

[PenguinFuhrer]

I seriously don't understand the use of pictures in VNs at all. It just annoys me and takes away "immersion"

You know you can turn the music off? While I can't remove the pictures!

Well aren't you funny
And yes, you can. Most of the time. What's even worse is when the sound isn't even connected to the sliders and you have to mute the application instead.

Sure, there's probably VNs out there with "good" music that fits and all that, but most of the time it just feels like it's added for the sake of just having music. And probably doesn't help that most of the music that I've heard in games are either boosted as hell and blows out my eardrums or just a genre I don't like.

The "problem" is when development is being slowed down for the sake of music. Imo.

 

[G27111]

I saw that post. But I will keep my stance. Just because it's free, doesn't mean it isn't good. And it doesn't have the baggage of licensed music either, that he is getting to experience now.

This is the same issue that has been talked a lot about in this thread over the past couple years. He chases the highest quality possible, even if he doesn't need to. And that, in the end, hurts the games.

Even though you're right about just because its free it doesn't mean its not good it is still irrelevant. If someone wants a certain type of music for their game then who are we to say they should do it different? our "stance" doesnt mean anything. Thing is with free music is anyone can use it, if he buys it then its exclusive for him to use..

i dont think chasing the highest quality hurts a game, people have their own standards. One person might be willing to put shit out for the least amount of money possible and to get as much money as they can back. They will go with lack of quality to put out updates quicker and give everyone all the sex scenes they want with fuck all story just to make a certain fan base happy..

for me i respect that he doesnt do that, he wants his best work out there and doesnt want to put out crap, he will take time to make his games look, sound the best that he can.. end of the day its his game and its up to him what quality he puts out there and how much he spends on doing that is his choice.

 

[jamdan]

Even though you're right about just because its free it doesn't mean its not good it is still irrelevant. If someone wants a certain type of music for their game then who are we to say they should do it different? our "stance" doesnt mean anything. Thing is with free music is anyone can use it, if he buys it then its exclusive for him to use..

i dont think chasing the highest quality hurts a game, people have their own standards. One person might be willing to put shit out for the least amount of money possible and to get as much money as they can back. They will go with lack of quality to put out updates quicker and give everyone all the sex scenes they want with fuck all story just to make a certain fan base happy..

for me i respect that he doesnt do that, he wants his best work out there and doesnt want to put out crap, he will take time to make his games look, sound the best that he can.. end of the day its his game and its up to him what quality he puts out there and how much he spends on doing that is his choice.

I didn't say he can't get licensed music. He just has to cope and deal with the obstacles it brings. The cost, and lack of control. If the music producer decides they don't want their music in the game anymore, he has to abide by their rules. This is what he is currently dealing with. It's always risky becoming dependent on a 3rd party for an aspect of your game. And sometimes you get screwed over. Coders vanishing. Writers quitting. Artists getting hired by someone else. And music producers deciding they don't want their music used anymore.

Chasing the highest quality doesn't hurt the game in the classic sense. Obviously, higher quality generally = better game. What I mean by him chasing quality is hurting the game is in regards to the prospects of this game ever being completed. It's really, really hard if not impossible to get both high quantity + high quality and deliver in a reasonable timeframe.

And he is trying to do this with with 2 games that are both supposed to be very long, adding even more difficulty. Like I mentioned last year, he is basically trying to combine Pinkcakes quantity and Philly's quality. And do that for 2 games at the same time. A daunting task, to say the least.

 

[G27111]

I didn't say he can't get licensed music. He just has to cope and deal with the obstacles it brings. The cost, and lack of control. If the music producer decides they don't want their music in the game anymore, he has to abide by their rules. This is what he is currently dealing with. It's always risky becoming dependent on a 3rd party for an aspect of your game. And sometimes you get screwed over. Coders vanishing. Writers quitting. Artists getting hired by someone else. And music producers deciding they don't want their music used anymore.

Chasing the highest quality doesn't hurt the game in the classic sense. Obviously, higher quality generally = better game. What I mean by him chasing quality is hurting the game is in regards to the prospects of this game ever being completed. It's really, really hard if not impossible to get both high quantity + high quality and deliver in a reasonable timeframe.

And he is trying to do this with with 2 games that are both supposed to be very long, adding even more difficulty. Like I mentioned last year, he is basically trying to combine Pinkcakes quantity and Philly's quality. And do that for 2 games at the same time. A daunting task, to say the least.

I get it but its still his choice and im sure he wants exclusive music compared to some free music that any game can use. Just need a agreement with the artists or producers of what its used for and a contract where they cant just randomly back out of. as long as everything is agreed to and known from the start then it shouldnt cause too many problems. I personally do not care at all about music in games, i dont listen to the audio and im still very immersed in the game but i know others do like it. it would be selfish of me to say dont spend time on music and just carry on

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

it would be selfish of me to say dont spend time on music and just carry on

I like this mentality and wish more people would share it. It can apply to many things in these AVNs. I also don't care for music (or SFX for that matter), so usually mute everything before I play. There are a few AVNs where it actually is really good, so I'll leave it on. Anyway, I agree with your sentiment.

 

[NewTricks]

I like this mentality and wish more people would share it. It can apply to many things in these AVNs. I also don't care for music (or SFX for that matter), so usually mute everything before I play. There are a few AVNs where it actually is really good, so I'll leave it on. Anyway, I agree with your sentiment.

While I am in your camp (I don't like music when I am reading comic books either) I'm prepared to let the game dev do what they need to in order to make the game they want. I have also seen some examples where devs use musical choices to elevate their games. Most of the time, though, they are just noise. It is a fine art to appropriately score a visual novel and it probably takes more effort than it seems to from the outside.

 

[BorgiaBou]

Thread Updated: 2021-12-05
Oh boy this guy is taking his sweet time with this reworked thing...

 

[lipe2410]

Do you know how many episodes does Ocean plans for both WIAB and SG?

Around 30 chapters for each one, as is stated in his discord.

 

[Koronak]

Do you know how many episodes does Ocean plans for both WIAB and SG?

you mean "how many centuries for compliting"?

 

[The Senior Perv]

Around 30 chapters for each one, as is stated in his discord.

What?! That's insane... and I thought DrPinkCake was a perfectionist; Ocean is on another level. We get a chapter per year for each of his works, so I'm gonna be in my late 50's or early 60's by the time both WIAB and SG are completed. Oh well, my grandchildren will have to tell me how WIAB and SG ended.

 

[mommysboiii]

What?! That's insane... and I thought DrPinkCake was a perfectionist; Ocean is on another level. We get a chapter per year for each of his works, so I'm gonna be in my late 50's or early 60's by the time both WIAB and SG are completed. Oh well, my grandchildren will have to tell me how WIAB and SG ended.

dont worry silicon valley got you mind uploads are coming bruv

 

[D2M3]

What?! That's insane... and I thought DrPinkCake was a perfectionist; Ocean is on another level. We get a chapter per year for each of his works, so I'm gonna be in my late 50's or early 60's by the time both WIAB and SG are completed. Oh well, my grandchildren will have to tell me how WIAB and SG ended.

Ocean themselves will croak long before these projects finish.

 

[drooopy]

Ocean themselves will croak long before these projects finish.

even when he's dead people on forums will say "have patience, he's a perfectionist".

 

[BorgiaBou]

even when he's dead people on forums will say "have patience, he's a perfectionist".

This is too good and real...