VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[hzjujk]

The ability of people to deceive themselves always surprises me. Here are the facts:

1. Will Sophia cheat on her husband? Yes!
2. Will Liam be hurt if he catches his Sophia in bed with another woman? Yes!
3. Is lesbian adultery a breach of mutual promise? Yes!
4. Is incest forbidden and an integral part of the game? Yes!
5. Are many of the protagonists (including Elli) still under 18 years old? Yes!
6. Does the game rightly include Shota Tag? Yes!
7. Does the game contain sexual violence? Yes!
8. Can I chat about the game with my work colleagues during lunch break? No!

It is clear to me that there are people here who are aware of these facts and find them unbearable. And that it is difficult for these people to ignore these facts and still play the game because there are things in the game that they like.
It is interesting that the discussion between the L&P critics and its supporters is similar. Here, too, arguments from both sides are weighted differently.

 

[NewTricks]

Am I the only one who thinks this thread is fast becoming a raging dumpster fire of blazing dog shit? Between the shithouse lawyers clutching their pearls about dubious content and the wankers begging for Sophia to open her legs before her vagina seals up forever it is like watching a civil war fought by smurfs. Meanwhile, the creator seems to think that he is making the Citizen Kane of jerk-off games. It's a fever dream of a circus where masturbating clowns are discussing art history and greek mythology while the ringmaster is being buried in an enormous shit taken by an angry elephant. We are closing in on 3500 messages and most of them are about Dylan. For the love of God can we stop the insanity before this thread gets archived? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

[exazubi]

And that it is difficult for these people to ignore these facts and still play the game because there are things in the game that they like.

I think we'll talk about that as soon as they ARE actually inside. So far everything is just teasing

 

[Hlextor]

8. Can I chat about the game with my work colleagues during lunch break? No!

 

[ancienregimele]

Still, I don't see how anyone can see this as good. No sex even 1 year in is a shit game. Now 3 years+ still none but husband and never even see her pussy. Are Southern Baptist fundies and the Taliban upvoting this? That might make sense but to anyone sane this game is at best PG so far and shit. Adult games without sex are about as good as decaf coffee, non-alcoholic beer or a prostitute that only lets you cuddle. This far in both here and Patreon should say "shit game, ban the dev."
This is a ROMANCE NOVEL for extremely prudish women, not a sex game. I think anyone who likes this needs their head examined and probably be sent to a mental hospital or to be checked for frigidity or for a male underdeveloped testicles. Any normal male stuck playing this would be screaming in pain due to balls crossing from blue to purple to black.

Frustrated much? First off, the insults, which were uncalled for. Insulting the fans on a pirate site will not make the game/VN go faster. It won't make sex scenes appear. Moreover the Dev has expressed his intense dislike for the place & apart from finding the pirates here objectionable, will not be influenced by, or accept suggestions from them. He has made this abundantly clear, so it's debatable whether he's heard your cry of frustration at all.

AWAM does have many elements common to romantic novels but I suggest that an extemely prudish woman would find many other aspects distasteful. Do we need our heads examined, sending to a mental hospital, or checking for frigidity, or maybe for under-developed testicles? No, no, no & no but then again, maybe......BUT not because we play this game. This is not fap material. Perhaps you hadn't realised. This is an erotic story, mainly of interest to adults. Adults who may, or may not have fulfilling sex lives but who probably don't play AWAM because it's something they want to wank off to. There's no rule that says all adult games/VNs have to contain large portions of sexual activity. Such a rule has never existed. Erotic & porn aren't always the same thing. I'm guessing you're young, which is NOT meant as an insult. What I will say is that I was probably reading porn long before you were born. I've come across a lot. It doesn't make me an expert but I do tend to know what I'm talking about.

I, like many here, have a list of complaints about this game, as well as a roll call of things I like about it. I'm free to stop playing at any time & thought I'd gone into semi-retirement from this thread, (at least until the next update), when your egregiously insulting diatribe brought me back for a short while. You see, I've been called many things but an "extremely prudish woman" !?!?, that's new.

 

[ancienregimele]

Am I the only one who thinks this thread is fast becoming a raging dumpster fire of blazing dog shit? Between the shithouse lawyers clutching their pearls about dubious content and the wankers begging for Sophia to open her legs before her vagina seals up forever it is like watching a civil war fought by smurfs. Meanwhile, the creator seems to think that he is making the Citizen Kane of jerk-off games. It's a fever dream of a circus where masturbating clowns are discussing art history and greek mythology while the ringmaster is being buried in an enormous shit taken by an angry elephant. We are closing in on 3500 messages and most of them are about Dylan. For the love of God can we stop the insanity before this thread gets archived? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

Yes, Stop the madness and "Bring back the full Bennett." ASAP!

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

About this point, I mean if someone were to find out you play this game. Then they will also see the images of a little Dylan and Sam groping Sophia, a 17yr old ( under 18) daughter and a 16 yr old Son ( again under 18, I mention it because the people you refer to won't care about age of consent and stuff, if your character is under 18, it is illegal in their eyes, no justification is enough for them ) trying to fuck their own mother, neighbors kids trying to get into her pants, a teacher getting blackmailed by a teenager, sexual harassment, naked old men being bathed. Son masturbating to his mom etc etc..... While remembering the son is just 6-8 months older than the oldest boy in the other storyline. You say all this is totally justifiable to others but just this one route isn't. If someone finds out at your respective works that you play such a game and have images like this on your laptop, you're fucked anyways.

So this whole point about the images getting seen and it being a issue is no valid argument here. Also why do you want to extract the images and then keep this set of images on your PC. Delete them. And I don't expect someone to have access to your laptop for so long at work that they go through entire awam to reach day 19 and see this event ( also to see this event they will have to refuse the first job, which anyway playing for the first time won't refuse. So a first playthrough will never even show them the storyline. )

Also I would like to say that there are games here with tons of other fetishes which are actually bizarre but people still play them. As for ILLEGAL, so is incest. but then again I don't want to debate on the legality once again. Most of the things that happen in this game can definitely get one to prison in real life. But that's the point, this isn't real life but merely a fictional game, harming no one where one can engage in a fetish of their desire without being judged.

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

 

[Sabertooth__]

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

No you can't go to prison for having pics of computer animated or drawn images of pedophilia. The creator can't be taken to prison for making them and the viewer cannot be taken to prison for viewing them.

EDIT - Also the incest here in this game is with minors, just reminding . If it's pedophilia with 15 and16 year olds, then it definitely is pedophilia with a 16 yr son, his 16 yr old friend and 17 yr old daughter and her friend too.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

try to distinguish between reality and art, fiction and realism before you play a game or watching a movie

 

[hmc15]

You can't go to prison for possessing images of incest.
You can go to prison for possessing IMAGES of pedophilia.
Until you understand that simple point, there is no further point in discussing it further.

INAL but I'm almost certain this is INCORRECT at least in the U.S.

Possession of pedophilia is absolutely illegal (in addition to manufacturing and/or distribution). I understand incest is illegal but not sure what the specifics are regarding real "incest porn". To my layperson knowledge there are no laws specifically opposed to possession, manufacturing, or distribution of incest porn. The act of incest itself is illegal but I'm not aware of media of said act being necessarily illegal...kind of a loophole though obv

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

What about this currently aired anime

You must be registered to see the links

Or holywood movies about cougar making love with a 13 year old kid
I forgot the name of the movie

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Is there going to be a shota-free AWAM version (as in with no shota images) or is this game legally ruined by the fantasies of the dev?

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

Is there going to be a shota-free AWAM version (as in with no shota images) or is this game legally ruined by the fantasies of the dev?

If you don't like shota don't play second job and don't teach sex ed to mrs myers kid, it just actually simple

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

If you don't like shota don't play second job and don't teach sex ed to mrs myers kid, it just actually simple

"But Judge, I didn't follow those routes, I avoided that second job like the plague".

Do you think that works out?

 

[Sabertooth__]

Is there going to be a shota-free AWAM version (as in with no shota images) or is this game legally ruined by the fantasies of the dev?

May I ask how is it "LEGALLY" ruined now but it wasn't before.
When the Myer boys are 16 and 15 whilst your main protagonists like Dylan and Sam are also 16.

 

[jonrage39]

May I ask how is it "LEGALLY" ruined now but it wasn't before.
When the Myer boys are 16 and 15 whilst your main protagonists like Dylan and Sam are also 16.

All characters are are over 18. If your head-cannon disputes that because of how they look, keep in mind there are a number of girls that are "underage", Emma and Julia look younger than the boys do. If you don't like shota fine, but don't make legal complaints about underage appearing boys when the game has had underage appearing girls.

 

[hzjujk]

All characters are are over 18. If your head-cannon disputes that because of how they look, keep in mind there are a number of girls that are "underage", Emma and Julia look younger than the boys do. If you don't like shota fine, but don't make legal complaints about underage appearing boys when the game has had underage appearing girls.

All characters are are over 18?!

To make that clear. I don't judge anyone. I myself play the 2nd part-time job - at the moment. But I'm also not kidding myself about the ages of some of the characters.
As for me, I would have loved to have had a teacher like that at the age of 14.

 

[Bobbos]

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[jonrage39]

Firstly only the patron version is all characters 18 plus, that is DOL . Awam, that is not case. The characters are below 18 as confirmed by the creator himself.

And if you didn't read or understand what I said in this or any of my previous messages today then let me clear it. I don't like the shota kink but I have been the one talking FOR it all this time, not against it.

That's my bad, I initially quoted your post to agree and reinforce your point. Then I went back and edited to make some additional points and it made it come off as I was debating what you said. I do in-fact agree with you.

And I was just pointing out that the characters being 18+ is the official line for the folks trying to make legal arguments. Even in the uncensored version, he doesn't ever actually assign ages to anyone, all aging is done through inference. So, legally, wouldn't the official line carry over to the uncensored version since the only demonstrable difference between the two versions is the addition of incest?

Either way, I personally subscribe to them being underage, the story is better that way, the mother kink doesn't hit the same if they aren't. I like the game as it is, and I hope he doesn't change it (besides speeding up dev time). I was just annoyed by people trying to make legal arguments about underage characters when they've been in the game the whole time. Underage is underage.