VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[Adolfo]

I hope it is not coming from here:

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because this is clearly a mistake in the script and it's Ellie who says that line.
If you look at the exchange it is clear from the sense and the back and forth that is Ellie speaking:

e "If I tell him, everyone will know!"
s "Well, there's your next proof that he's not the right one for you! Cause if he was, you would fully trust him not to tell anyone!"
s "Well, I could also just ask him to have gentle sex with me."
s "Oh, please. The way I met Logan, it's like asking a bull at a bullfight to be more gentle to you!"
s "Ellie, it's really important! You must talk to him about it beforehand!"

If it has to be Logan, I don't see Sophia sacrificing herself to save her daughter, it's a bit unrealistic and a bit out of character.
Unless there is another blackmail involved, like "I'll leave your daughter alone only if you sleep with me", à la A Mother's Love. But I don't think so.

In case it is Logan, I rather see him trying to seduce Sophia during some event, another night at the club or the bachelorette party for example (they might meet randomly), where things could be already a little bit of control. Something in that spirit but I agree with hzjujk and don't see Sophia playing the martyr just to save Ellie's virginity.

I noticed the mistake and it wasn´t the reason of my "theory". I am agree that Logan is not a blackmailer hes is only trying to fuck a nice girl and Sophia can make a distraction maneuver for avoiding the Logan Ellie first time. In any case the sex scene on 16th playable day will not include fucking. Complete sex is for 19th day.

I don't see any sign of Sophia wanting to have sex with Logan, quite the contrary, she can hardly stand him. I think it would be very hard to believe now that Sophia, without a powerful external conditioner, has a sexual relationship with Logan.

 

[Adolfo]

Ellie:

 

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[Adolfo]

Adolfo

use unren to get the script files rpy

Please, Where I can find and how canuse it. This has been exhausting

 

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[Adolfo]

I will provide it to you

Thanks a lot

 

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[cloudstrife]

I've just played through the 2nd dinner with Bennett and he gave her 2 weeks to decide (from day 17, playable day 10) which would be day 31, and I think L&P said that playable day 13 would jump ahead another week (we're on day 19/12 right now so after the next update finishes out that day, the one after should be day 27/13, so her decision should come on playable day 17 I think

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I've just played through the 2nd dinner with Bennett and he gave her 2 weeks to decide (from day 17, playable day 10) which would be day 31, and I think L&P said that playable day 13 would jump ahead another week (we're on day 19/12 right now so after the next update finishes out that day, the one after should be day 27/13, so her decision should come on playable day 17 I think

it seems that the second time jump is no more, but the more experienced KillJoys can confirm or not

 

[Alley_Cat]

it seems that the second time jump is no more, but the more experienced KillJoys can confirm or not

Comes from this quote by L&P

 

[shelweyy]

See you next year

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

When a woman likes me, but in the way that you feel an organic need, when just a touch sends shivers down your spine, know that I'm willing to play dirty. And I really did. If you've never felt that way, I don't think you'll ever know how far you can go.
I'm a bit surprised by your answer

Your answer indicates you have no clue what you said earlier. You clearly stated that it was genetic and unalterable. That was your point. My point is you have a brain or are you just an instinctual being. Seems you dont really understand your own comments that well.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

See you next year

You mean we get 5 whole months where we won't have to see any more of your whiny posts? Awesome

 

[Sabertooth__]

This doesn’t get around the lack of direct evidence that Morello would do Sophia a favor without a further obligation on her part. If it is indeed just business then there must be some exchange.


if it’s a private school then I retract and apologize for the unnecessary distraction to an otherwise engaging debate.

I was more commenting on the fact that Morello, IMHO, would be very unlikely to put a threat on, let alone actually do something to, a government employee unless it was necessary to protect one of his interests. Morello’s interest in Sophia is not hampered or hindered by Benett, so he has no direct interest in it.

This is starting to smell like red herring. You’re not addressing the basic premise of my argument: morello’s interests are not advanced by “taking care of” either the Bennett or Aiden situations. Sophia and Liam Parker are in a financial debt and this is true with or without Aiden or Bennett. The Parkers’ ability to satisfy the debt to Morello is not dependent on resolving either Aiden or Bennett entanglements. So, if you ask me what the mob does, I can’t give you an exhaustive list. But I can comfortably speculate that they don’t do favors for people who owe them a lot of money and they don’t expose themselves to additional headache or risk or obligation when there is no identifiable source of immediate or tangible benefit.

I am addressing exactly the points you mention. My answers are directly to the points you mention in the previous post to which I replied. That's the best way to have a debate in my opinion.

The message I replied to mentioned Aiden and Bennett as a threat that would create trouble for Morello, which is absolutely garbage. No one, is going to choose to fight a mafia just to continue to have sexual acts with a woman. Aiden has a gf, Bennett gets women to fuck on a regular basis. Also Bennett won't risk involving government because he is the one harassing Sophia. Whatever those two can do Morello can do 100x times better. Plus even L&P addressed it once on the thread that Aiden is a school bully not anything like a gangster.

I addressed why Morello will help Sophia in one of the messages.

Firstly, the biggest point you are ignoring is that Morello is well aware of the fact that Carl can easily pay the sum of money to clear the debt. So Morello doesn't really have any hold on the Parkers. ( This is not mentioned in the game but is a realistic assumption, considering the debt is big, Morello will get the details out of his debtors. He got Sophia's number too which she never gave him ).

Since there is no actual hold, he ofcourse made an offer which was too good to refuse. Just make the brother happy and then maybe a few other things down the line. Why do you think he never asked for the money if he knows he can get it. Because he definitely wants to prolong the interaction with Sophia. Shows he is interested in Sophia. Him approaching her of all at the casino is also proof to that.

If Sophia mentions the harassment to Morello, what so you think his reaction would be. Would he propose a deal against this or just give a call and be done with it. Proposing to help a woman from being sexually harassed in exchange for something. I don't know about you but this Don is definitely not a sleazy bastard and seems to be a kind of person who has a set of ethics he follows. A married man who loves his wife, he will definitely understand the plight of a woman being sexually harassed.

About the business point, this isn't business anymore. If it were, as I said, Morello will ask for the money, the sum is huge, he clearly values more interactions with Sophia above the money he can get. No one waves such a huge sum of money for just meeting his brother. Getting a beautiful woman to talk to his brother isn't a difficult thing for morello. He can get lots of women regularly to talk to Larry. Waving such a huge debt for this isn't "business like" in my opinion. It's clearly not benefitting him financially, the only thing he is getting from this is more interactions with Sophia and also that Sophia has a positive opinion of him.

 

[Talcum Powder]

These back and forth are getting a bit long in the tooth (sorry, couldn't resist)

I am addressing exactly the points you mention. My answers are directly to the points you mention in the previous post to which I replied. That's the best way to have a debate in my opinion.

The message I replied to mentioned Aiden and Bennett as a threat that would create trouble for Morello, which is absolutely garbage.

Misunderstanding, I think (most likely my fault). Neither Aiden or Bennett pose any threat whatsoever to Morello, of course not. I'm suggesting instead that threatening people or taking some other form of coercive action is not something done lightly, no matter who you are or how badass your organization is - there must be a risk/reward tradeoff that makes it worth it. Even if the risk is low, which I agree, what is the benefit?

If you're telling me that L&P has communicated here or elsewhere that Morello is willing to help Sophia out with these things (my memory sucks but I don't think Don Morello offered his assistance in-game), well, first of all, that's out of game information so Sophia wouldn't know that, and second, it's cowardly deus ex machina bullshit writing to get yourself out of a Grand Canyon sized plot hole, simple as. Maybe that's too harsh - let's settle for "a bit contrived, and a lot unimaginative".

No one, is going to choose to fight a mafia just to continue to have sexual acts with a woman. Aiden has a gf, Bennett gets women to fuck on a regular basis. Also Bennett won't risk involving government because he is the one harassing Sophia. Whatever those two can do Morello can do 100x times better. Plus even L&P addressed it once on the thread that Aiden is a school bully not anything like a gangster.

Of course not, any message telling either of them that Sophia is off limits would be definitive, no question. But again, why would he do it and perhaps more importantly, why would Sophia think it was appropriate to ask without incurring a further debt?
(There is a distinct but remote possibility that Sophia taking the Morello option to get out of her blackmailers' grasp will, in fact, further her debt to Morello which could deepen that plot but would ultimately take us (and Sophia) farther away from what really matters in this game: Ellie's honey pot.)

I addressed why Morello will help Sophia in one of the messages.

You did, I'm just not convinced. I can see how you got to that conclusion and it isn't like a complete break with logic or reason or the ramblings of a lunatic (that's my job), I just don't buy it. Agree to disagree?

You've written so much more which is good and compelling and, ultimately, this all reduces down to a genuine difference of opinion so all's good and no reason to dissect all of it.

I will just pull on this last tidbit as some food for thought:

I don't know about you but this Don is definitely not a sleazy bastard and seems to be a kind of person who has a set of ethics he follows.

I'm a grown man on f95 at all hours of the night and several during the day, arguing about, well, you know, and arguing in favor of a woman and her sister and her daughter and her neighbor's daughter and the soccer mom and her sybian all getting together for a night of fun, so of course I'm a sleazy bastard. How dare you question my credentials?!!

 

[nexer]

Your answer indicates you have no clue what you said earlier. You clearly stated that it was genetic and unalterable. That was your point. My point is you have a brain or are you just an instinctual being. Seems you dont really understand your own comments that well.

I guess you've never "suffered" from intense love. Maybe you're not gifted at it, your genes don't connect, but if you haven't gone through it, quit giving advice.
Now, not all relationships are the same, but it can happen that one is.
I guess you never understood the movie
The Marrying Man

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By the way, where does the instinctual part "hide", in the butt?

 

[meanguy]

All is fair in war and love (as long as deception and violence are not involved)!
Sam offering wine instead of juice is an attempt at gaining a small advantage in the game of seduction. It is not deceptive, as it is impossible for a grownup human being to drink a full glass of wine without realizing it's not juice. She is not being roofed, for goodness sake!
And it's not violence, as it was perfectly within Sophia's range of options to decline the offer. She deliberately chooses to drink the glass, then accepting the slightly seductive message in it.

 

[Feedme 12]

Still no sex scenes with other characters