VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Alright, this is the bedroom change scene with the hint that it was part of the twist that was removed.

Spoiler: Bedroom Scene - The Twist hint

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If Dylan's path can stand alone now, this scene would need two outcomes because of the NTR aspect of it. If the reader chooses not to follow the NTR route, why would Dylan comment on the students being shocked when he gets angry at anyone looking or saying things about Sophia? This scene would fit the NTR route, but the problem is this scene now plays out whether you're on the NTR route or avoiding it.

The conversation in the coffee shop between Sophia/Alyssa is pretty much self-explanatory. They don't understand how Dylan and Zac can defend themself quite well by the text of their conversation, but for some reason, Dylan needs to take self-defense lessons now?...



It would be hard to imagine that nothing sexual will happen at this event, considering what happened with the second side job. As I said, scenes with no build-up, like the museum guys, will need to rely on other scenes for her corruption to grow. Plus, L&P said this would likely be the last time the museum guys will appear in the novel after the PD14 evening event, So one could conclude that something is going to happen. Maybe not as far as sex, but it will be sexual to some extent. Also, just because they are not in the poll is irrelevant. Aiden's gang isn't in the poll, and look what happened there.

My point about Sophia, Ellie, and Patricia has nothing to do with "it's just us girls." The point was that in no other part of the game does Sophia reference that she is sexually frustrated. You only learn about her sexual frustration during that event, which is key to her corruption, and it tells the reader what's going on with Sophia and why she is acting the way she is now. Again, L&P hints are in other paths of the story that are key to understanding the story. When readers choose not to follow all the paths, they miss vital parts or hints that will help them understand the story better, which is why I said the story was meant to be played unchained.

So as a horny teen Dylan acknowledges that a woman is hot. Women are hot, and the sky is blue. Even older women, so still not seeing your point. The Ellie route even starts with her talking about the looks Sophia gets, during the initial conversation by the pool.

You seem to have the opinion that if I just play your route, I'll magically agree with you. As to Sophia's sexual frustration, that's explained fairly easily since it's required by the route to play the Prison event. That has no requirement to be playing the Aiden storyline. Makes more sense, obviously. But no requirement.

So I think I finally figured out how I would develop AWAM, of course, the benefit of hindsight is always easier and I do still enjoy AWAM, just frustrated with how long it takes to cycle back around and follow something up.

Anyway, I think Filthy revolves around Dylan, Lesbian revolves around Ellie, Good Wife revolves around Liam (obviously)

After all, it's called A Wife and a Mother and how far would you go, so the other characters outwith they 3 are there to help Sophia go further and further with Dylan, Ellie, and Liam. I believe this is the case and of course, some characters are involved more in Sophia's corruption than others.

Let's be real, the filthy route is the more popular one, then Lesbian after that, people can argue that I'm sure but it's just the truth.

Filthy points would be relative to how far you can go with Dylan but during development, I would presume you always have the max points needed to unlock scenes with Dylan, same would go with Lesbian and Good Wife. I would remove individual character points and just add a choice, Sam Yes or No etc etc.

I would then identify all the characters in the filthy route and then develop each character's scenes with Sophia.

Start with Dylan and develop all the scenes with Dylan out until the last scene with Dylan.

Then go to Sam, do the same, then Zach, then Aiden, then tutoring side job, then old guys, etc etc.

With each character arc developed, the Dylan arc would make more sense and be replayable, most likely each replay would become better n better.

Then I do the same with the Lesbian route, starting with Ellie, then Julia, Patricia, Alyssa (Zach's mum?), the student she sets Dylan up with, the maid etc etc

Then the same with the good wife route, I would start with the swinger route, people Sophia went to Sauna with, friends who are getting married, Liam's boss, next-door neighbors (would have less creepy Neil), Morello, Mr. Bennett and then maybe even 3somes with Liam and Sophia + others.

If you choose no on the swinger route, then a choice of exhibitionist stuff and risky sex scenes in public between Sophia and Liam.

Remember, the benefit of hindsight is easier and it is not like I don't enjoy what L&P is developing, I do, this was just a fun learning exercise for myself but I did put way more thought into this than I maybe should have lol

So I think I finally figured out how I would develop AWAM, of course, the benefit of hindsight is always easier and I do still enjoy AWAM, just frustrated with how long it takes to cycle back around and follow something up.

Anyway, I think Filthy revolves around Dylan, Lesbian revolves around Ellie, Good Wife revolves around Liam (obviously)

After all, it's called A Wife and a Mother and how far would you go, so the other characters outwith they 3 are there to help Sophia go further and further with Dylan, Ellie, and Liam. I believe this is the case and of course, some characters are involved more in Sophia's corruption than others.

Let's be real, the filthy route is the more popular one, then Lesbian after that, people can argue that I'm sure but it's just the truth.

Filthy points would be relative to how far you can go with Dylan but during development, I would presume you always have the max points needed to unlock scenes with Dylan, same would go with Lesbian and Good Wife. I would remove individual character points and just add a choice, Sam Yes or No etc etc.

I would then identify all the characters in the filthy route and then develop each character's scenes with Sophia.

Start with Dylan and develop all the scenes with Dylan out until the last scene with Dylan.

Then go to Sam, do the same, then Zach, then Aiden, then tutoring side job, then old guys, etc etc.

With each character arc developed, the Dylan arc would make more sense and be replayable, most likely each replay would become better n better.

Then I do the same with the Lesbian route, starting with Ellie, then Julia, Patricia, Alyssa (Zach's mum?), the student she sets Dylan up with, the maid etc etc

Then the same with the good wife route, I would start with the swinger route, people Sophia went to Sauna with, friends who are getting married, Liam's boss, next-door neighbors (would have less creepy Neil), Morello, Mr. Bennett and then maybe even 3somes with Liam and Sophia + others.

If you choose no on the swinger route, then a choice of exhibitionist stuff and risky sex scenes in public between Sophia and Liam.

Remember, the benefit of hindsight is easier and it is not like I don't enjoy what L&P is developing, I do, this was just a fun learning exercise for myself but I did put way more thought into this than I maybe should have lol

As to the lesbian route, It's more Ellie, Julia, Patricia, Marie. Alyssa shows no lesbian tendencies, and her event is only about how much she loves dick.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

So as a horny teen Dylan acknowledges that a woman is hot. Women are hot, and the sky is blue. Even older women, so still not seeing your point. The Ellie route even starts with her talking about the looks Sophia gets, during the initial conversation by the pool.

You seem to have the opinion that if I just play your route, I'll magically agree with you. As to Sophia's sexual frustration, that's explained fairly easily since it's required by the route to play the Prison event. That has no requirement to be playing the Aiden storyline. Makes more sense, obviously. But no requirement.


As to the lesbian route, It's more Ellie, Julia, Patricia, Marie. Alyssa shows no lesbian tendencies, and her event is only about how much she loves dick.

Then you are completely missing the point of my argument. My argument is that no path can stand alone; they are all dependent on the story to make sense. And no, it is not just my route; if you play any route and lock out every route but one, the story in its entirety doesn't make sense on how she can be corrupted enough to do the things she did in the amount of time lotted for the story. Going from a devoted housewife. It's not that complicated.

 

[FullyAnimated]

Anyway, I think Filthy revolves around Dylan, Lesbian revolves around Ellie, Good Wife revolves around Liam (obviously)

Change Dylan to Sam.

Or have Dylan pursue Amber and Sam, Sophia.

That would make a great game.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Although I note your points on the above, I have to say the opposite about the museum visit.

You are assuming that because the guys won’t appear again, something sexual HAS to happen. If the boys were to appear again, then this could be a build-up to something sexual in the future, but why after only meeting them for a few minutes beforehand. I think there may be flirting, especially with Patricia there, and some non-sexual touching, even a thank you kiss, but that’s all. I would be very surprised if anything more happened.

I also don’t understand the connection between the second side job and the museum visit? Sex-ed to young boys and looking at art and artifacts with adults? The last visit to Sam would be more relevant.

Lastly, I think it’s obvious that Sophia is sexually frustrated, without it having to be referenced or stated….although it is, when she spies on Amber and Neil having sex in the garden, “(Well, at least Amber is having some fun in her marriage!)” and in the gym with Patricia 'Or that her marriage wasn't sexually exciting at the moment' and at the club 'But maybe also that she hadn't had that kind of attention in her married life lately, and she hadn't had sex in weeks.' and after the club to Patricia "But right now it's just dead boring with us in bed, you know?"......I could go on!

First, To assume that it was obvious that Sophia is sexually frustrated is a statement I can't agree with because you don't have to play any of the paths that describe the comments you just made in your statement from quotes taken from the game, which proves my point that the novel storyline is dependent on the other and that one story path can't stand alone. You have to go back and replay them to understand Sophia's mindset from the author's pov.

The museum guys will be a pointless exercise in the story if it leads to nothing but starting the hook-up process with Sophia and Patricia. Trying to start a build-up now with Sophia and Dylan or Patricia would be pointless, considering the other path developments. The story is imbalanced right now, and he's trying to bring it somewhat close to balancing it out again, but it would probably lead to a WTF moment. Plus, as this is likely their last showing, IMO, he will use the museum guys as a catalyst, like a club event with Sophia and Tyler, which played a role with Sophia and Ellie in the shower fishing for a kiss after seeing Sophia and Patricia make out.

I also don’t understand the connection between the second side job and the museum visit? Sex-ed to young boys and looking at art and artifacts with adults? The last visit to Sam would be more relevant.

..............The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

First, To assume that it was obvious that Sophia is sexually frustrated is a statement I can't agree with because you don't have to play any of the paths that describe the comments you just made in your statement from quotes taken from the game, which proves my point that the novel storyline is dependent on the other and that one story path can't stand alone. You have to go back and replay them to understand Sophia's mindset from the author's pov.

The museum guys will be a pointless exercise in the story if it leads to nothing but starting the hook-up process with Sophia and Patricia. Trying to start a build-up now with Sophia and Dylan or Patricia would be pointless, considering the other path developments. The story is imbalanced right now, and he's trying to bring it somewhat close to balancing it out again, but it would probably lead to a WTF moment. Plus, as this is likely their last showing, IMO, he will use the museum guys as a catalyst, like a club event with Sophia and Tyler, which played a role with Sophia and Ellie in the shower fishing for a kiss after seeing Sophia and Patricia make out.

I also don’t understand the connection between the second side job and the museum visit? Sex-ed to young boys and looking at art and artifacts with adults? The last visit to Sam would be more relevant.

..............The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

And I bet the museum boys will have alcohol for Sophia & Patricia or spike their drink & we all know how Sophia acts on alcohol

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

And I bet the museum boys will have alcohol for Sophia & Patricia or spike their drink & we all know how Sophia acts on alcohol

Anything is possible, but maybe after the tour, like at a bar?

 

[bayrischman]

Anything is possible, but maybe after the tour, like at a bar?

has he already started his christmas vacation and how long does it last? determined by january 7th.

 

[Whitekink]

First, To assume that it was obvious that Sophia is sexually frustrated is a statement I can't agree with because you don't have to play any of the paths that describe the comments you just made in your statement from quotes taken from the game, which proves my point that the novel storyline is dependent on the other and that one story path can't stand alone. You have to go back and replay them to understand Sophia's mindset from the author's pov.

The museum guys will be a pointless exercise in the story if it leads to nothing but starting the hook-up process with Sophia and Patricia. Trying to start a build-up now with Sophia and Dylan or Patricia would be pointless, considering the other path developments. The story is imbalanced right now, and he's trying to bring it somewhat close to balancing it out again, but it would probably lead to a WTF moment. Plus, as this is likely their last showing, IMO, he will use the museum guys as a catalyst, like a club event with Sophia and Tyler, which played a role with Sophia and Ellie in the shower fishing for a kiss after seeing Sophia and Patricia make out.

I also don’t understand the connection between the second side job and the museum visit? Sex-ed to young boys and looking at art and artifacts with adults? The last visit to Sam would be more relevant.

..............The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

Sure, if you play the Good Wife route you won't get those scenes and comments , because she's having sex with Liam and so isn't frustrated!

Ok, that's a new line on the museum visit, leading to a hook up with Patricia and Sophia. I can see that, but I was presuming (incorrectly?) that we/I were talking about Sophia and one of the guys.

Sorry, I can't follow your last paragraph and it is grammatically incorrect.
I'm not being funny or rude, but you'll have to explain that in more detail.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Sure, if you play the Good Wife route you won't get those scenes and comments , because she's having sex with Liam and so isn't frustrated!

Ok, that's a new line on the museum visit, leading to a hook-up with Patricia and Sophia. I can see that, but I was presuming (incorrectly?) that we/I were talking about Sophia and one of the guys.

Sorry, I can't follow your last paragraph and it is grammatically incorrect.
I'm not being funny or rude, but you'll have to explain that in more detail.

Sorry, I can't follow your last paragraph, which is grammatically incorrect.

I made a minor correction in your sentence. Let's not talk about grammar here.

The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

It looks acceptable to me. What's the problem? I believe it's already known what played out in the second side job and how quickly it escalated. I figure you should have known this, considering the amount of coverage this topic has been discussed on the forum. There is no way she went as far as she did on day two of their meeting without the dependencies from the other scenes that build her corruption, and the same thing will most likely happen with the museum guys if it's not an opener for Sophia/Patricia.

Sure, if you play the Good Wife route you won't get those scenes and comments , because she's having sex with Liam and so isn't frustrated!

You need to play it again if you believe this statement you wrote.

 

[Whitekink]

Why Ellie sucks as a character?

This is a genuine question. Please answer this in reply and I will club all the points in a single post. I would also give out my arguments in the case.
She is popular character so obviously she is seen differently by some others, but to me she is a stupid bitch. Whoever wants to argue against it is also welcome.

You'll have to explain why you consider Ellie a 'stupid bitch' before anyone can reply.

 

[Whitekink]

The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

It looks acceptable to me. What's the problem? I believe it's already known what played out in the second side job and how quickly it escalated. I figure you should have known this, considering the amount of coverage this topic has been discussed on the forum. There is no way she went as far as she did on day two of their meeting without the dependencies from the other scenes that build her corruption, and the same thing will most likely happen with the museum guys if it's not an opener for Sophia/Patricia.

Sure, if you play the Good Wife route you won't get those scenes and comments , because she's having sex with Liam and so isn't frustrated!

You need to play it again if you believe this statement you wrote.

I played the Good Wife route purposely before I replied and now you appear to be contradicting yourself about her frustration or lack of it?!...so I think it best we leave it here.
Let's just agree to disagree on certain points....and agree on others.
It's a discussion after all.

 

[hzjujk]

Sorry, I can't follow your last paragraph, which is grammatically incorrect.

I made a minor correction in your sentence. Let's not talk about grammar here.

The connection isn't between sex-ed and the museum tour guides. The point is to show that their scene is going to be dependent based on how quickly or what already happened played out without context. Again, not that complicated.

It looks acceptable to me. What's the problem? I believe it's already known what played out in the second side job and how quickly it escalated. I figure you should have known this, considering the amount of coverage this topic has been discussed on the forum. There is no way she went as far as she did on day two of their meeting without the dependencies from the other scenes that build her corruption, and the same thing will most likely happen with the museum guys if it's not an opener for Sophia/Patricia.

Sure, if you play the Good Wife route you won't get those scenes and comments , because she's having sex with Liam and so isn't frustrated!

You need to play it again if you believe this statement you wrote.

From a purely technical point of view, there is only a small dependency. You must have more Filthy points than Good Wife points. Whether the difference is one and zero or 110 and 12 is irrelevant.
But the difference is in our minds or our memories. Unlike Sophia, we don't suffer from temporary amnesia all the time. Therefore it is no surprise for us that Sophia went so far in the second side job. Because we link the events while the side jobs have hardly any meaning in game terms and also have no influence on the overall story.

 

[Whitekink]

Sorry, I can't follow your last paragraph, which is grammatically incorrect.

I made a minor correction in your sentence. Let's not talk about grammar here.

I may have followed a grammatically incorrect sentence and I may not have followed a grammatically correct sentence.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I played the Good Wife route purposely before I replied and now you appear to be contradicting yourself about her frustration or lack of it?!...so I think it best we leave it here.
Let's just agree to disagree on certain points....and agree on others.
It's a discussion after all.

First of all, congratulation on playing the Good Wife side. But I think there is a loss in translation or English is not your first language because here is a quick question... How can she be sexually frustrated on the good wife side???? she can't... My comment about playing it again was directed toward the Filth side of the house, which, IMO, you need to play unchained. I thought you would have picked that up with the conversation, so I should have clarified or laid it out like a puzzle for you.

Your comments on your post here about characters' quotes are entirely avoidable, and you don't need to see them to advance the story depending on the path you take.

https://thef95zone.info/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-175-lust-passion.5944/post-9671422

when she spies on Amber and Neil having sex in the garden, “(Well, at least Amber is having some fun in her marriage!)” and in the gym with Patricia 'Or that her marriage wasn't sexually exciting at the moment' and at the club 'But maybe also that she hadn't had that kind of attention in her married life lately, and she hadn't had sex in weeks.' and after the club to Patricia "But right now it's just dead boring with us in bed, you know?"

You can avoid the spying scene with Amber and Neil, plus you don't have to play Patricia's at the gym or club, but you can still progress by avoiding these comments without the reader knowing what would take place.

But you're right, let's agree to disagree at this point.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I may have followed a grammatically incorrect sentence and I may not have followed a grammatically correct sentence.

Well, if that's the case... I recommend Grammarly to you.

I may have followed a grammatically incorrect sentence, and I may not have followed a grammatically correct sentence.

btw, you forgot the comma before the word and.

 

[Whitekink]

First of all, congratulation on playing the Good Wife side. But I think there is a loss in translation or English is not your first language because here is a quick question... How can she be sexually frustrated on the good wife side???? she can't... My comment about playing it again was directed toward the Filth side of the house, which, IMO, you need to play unchained. I thought you would have picked that up with the conversation, so I should have clarified or laid it out like a puzzle for you.

Your comments on your post here about characters' quotes are entirely avoidable, and you don't need to see them to advance the story depending on the path you take.

https://thef95zone.info/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-175-lust-passion.5944/post-9671422

when she spies on Amber and Neil having sex in the garden, “(Well, at least Amber is having some fun in her marriage!)” and in the gym with Patricia 'Or that her marriage wasn't sexually exciting at the moment' and at the club 'But maybe also that she hadn't had that kind of attention in her married life lately, and she hadn't had sex in weeks.' and after the club to Patricia "But right now it's just dead boring with us in bed, you know?"

You can avoid the spying scene with Amber and Neil, plus you don't have to play Patricia's at the gym or club, but you can still progress by avoiding these comments without the reader knowing what would take place.

But you're right, let's agree to disagree at this point.

Er, I am English...as in born and living in England!
I said she was NOT frustrated on the Good Wife route, if you care to read my post again!.....and I see you have to have the last word, so go ahead.....

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Er, I am English...as in born and living in England!
I said she was NOT frustrated on the Good Wife route, if you read my post again!.....

Ok... And my conversation was about the filthy side from the start, so why didn't you pick up on that?

 

[Bishop Robert]

I'm just happy to be here.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

And now we are arguing about grammar.....

 

[Lupercalia]

hi! what happens?