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- Feb 1, 2022
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How do you actually get different endings. I don't remember having any choices that matter
Fantastic game. Finished it yesterday.
With most NTR-games, personally, the most enjoyable aspect for me is the corruption of the female lead. The problem is, plenty of non-NTR games have it. And most NTR games have little to nothing to offer besides that. The reason for this is simple: the lack of likable characters in these games.
Most of the time the cuck protag is obnoxiously pathetic and you don't want to sympathize with him, while female lead lacks any kind of personality besides being a thirsty whore. Typically she starts off as a completely bland innocent-vibed non-character and serves as nothing more than a "plot" device throughout the entire game. The term plot here is in brackets because oftentimes it's nonexistent as well.
So you end up caring about neither the protagonist nor his "beloved", and are left only with the sexiness of corruption to enjoy. To this day there were only two games that actually made me care enough about the characters for the NTR-thing to hit as it was supposed to. This is the second one. (The first one is Boy Hero Ken, by the way, in case you're interested).
The main protagonist isn't just a pussy. He's actually a very sympathetic character who, for once, has something to do in this story except groveling in the emotional pain of being cucked. There's a working story and character justification as to why he doesn't try to stop his sweetheart from being stolen right away, in spite of seeing where it is all going (well, technically, he does try to stop it, that's what his goal is from the beginning, but it's not only that and if that isn't at all simple). The main heroine also is quite likable, and actually cares about the protagonist until the very end. She's ashamed of what is happening to her and believably, honestly constantly tries to soften the blow for the protagonist - which makes everything that is happening all the more tragic and, therefore, enjoyable.
The game is mostly linear, and, honestly, I am glad it is. Otherwise, it would probably not work as great as it does. In my opinion, there's always a trade-off between player freedom and competent storytelling, and the NTR games that rely heavily on characters and stories simply don't work when they try to sit on two chairs at once and give the player freedom on top of telling a ruined relationship tragedy. It's kind of like in (j)RPGs where you can choose a romantic partner versus the ones where a single romantic lead is written into the story as its own full-fledged and predetermined element. The former gives you the freedom of choice, while the latter simply makes for a better story.
Also, the game has brilliant art and character designs. Although, personally, I did not appreciate the body modification thing (breast enlargement and the pubic hair growing that eventually happens to the heroine). But that's just me. I don't like unrealistically huge busts. That was my main turn-off from the previous Avantgarde game about the elf wife (what was it called again?). I can't help but mention it because I am still bitter about it. That one also had a gorgeous character design that was wasted on huge unsightly badoonkers. And this game eventually ends up doing the same thing again halfway through with the body modification. What a pity... But I guess it wouldn't be a problem for people who like this sort of thing.
Anyway. The game is great even despite that.
By the way. I am noticing a separate Review section in this topic. I would post it there, but I couldn't find out how. Anybody can point me in the right direction? Would be useful, since I don't post anything on this forum besides reviews anyway.
UPD: Nevermind. I found it. You have to rate the game in order to write a review. I honestly tried abandoning value judgments, but I guess the world is determined to not let me.
UPD2: Oh, this text doesn't fit in with reviewing rules. Well, I guess I'll just leave it here then.
With most NTR-games, personally, the most enjoyable aspect for me is the corruption of the female lead. The problem is, plenty of non-NTR games have it. And most NTR games have little to nothing to offer besides that. The reason for this is simple: the lack of likable characters in these games.
Most of the time the cuck protag is obnoxiously pathetic and you don't want to sympathize with him, while female lead lacks any kind of personality besides being a thirsty whore. Typically she starts off as a completely bland innocent-vibed non-character and serves as nothing more than a "plot" device throughout the entire game. The term plot here is in brackets because oftentimes it's nonexistent as well.
So you end up caring about neither the protagonist nor his "beloved", and are left only with the sexiness of corruption to enjoy. To this day there were only two games that actually made me care enough about the characters for the NTR-thing to hit as it was supposed to. This is the second one. (The first one is Boy Hero Ken, by the way, in case you're interested).
The main protagonist isn't just a pussy. He's actually a very sympathetic character who, for once, has something to do in this story except groveling in the emotional pain of being cucked. There's a working story and character justification as to why he doesn't try to stop his sweetheart from being stolen right away, in spite of seeing where it is all going (well, technically, he does try to stop it, that's what his goal is from the beginning, but it's not only that and if that isn't at all simple). The main heroine also is quite likable, and actually cares about the protagonist until the very end. She's ashamed of what is happening to her and believably, honestly constantly tries to soften the blow for the protagonist - which makes everything that is happening all the more tragic and, therefore, enjoyable.
The game is mostly linear, and, honestly, I am glad it is. Otherwise, it would probably not work as great as it does. In my opinion, there's always a trade-off between player freedom and competent storytelling, and the NTR games that rely heavily on characters and stories simply don't work when they try to sit on two chairs at once and give the player freedom on top of telling a ruined relationship tragedy. It's kind of like in (j)RPGs where you can choose a romantic partner versus the ones where a single romantic lead is written into the story as its own full-fledged and predetermined element. The former gives you the freedom of choice, while the latter simply makes for a better story.
Also, the game has brilliant art and character designs. Although, personally, I did not appreciate the body modification thing (breast enlargement and the pubic hair growing that eventually happens to the heroine). But that's just me. I don't like unrealistically huge busts. That was my main turn-off from the previous Avantgarde game about the elf wife (what was it called again?). I can't help but mention it because I am still bitter about it. That one also had a gorgeous character design that was wasted on huge unsightly badoonkers. And this game eventually ends up doing the same thing again halfway through with the body modification. What a pity... But I guess it wouldn't be a problem for people who like this sort of thing.
Anyway. The game is great even despite that.
By the way. I am noticing a separate Review section in this topic. I would post it there, but I couldn't find out how. Anybody can point me in the right direction? Would be useful, since I don't post anything on this forum besides reviews anyway.
UPD: Nevermind. I found it. You have to rate the game in order to write a review. I honestly tried abandoning value judgments, but I guess the world is determined to not let me.
UPD2: Oh, this text doesn't fit in with reviewing rules. Well, I guess I'll just leave it here then.
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- Dec 28, 2021
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Pretty sure you have to complete the optional "hidden" dungeons. I've only found one myself so far.
On another note; I don't understand how other people finish this game so fast, I think I'm 10 hours in, and just reached the council ark. Is everyone else just skipping through all the dialogue?
Sadly yes.
This thing are everywhere , and worst of all , some of us always need to ask "can i avoid NTR ?" or "Netorare or Netorase ?"
Can we have a tag to know what is what without being the anoying one who ask the question ?
- Jul 16, 2019
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I think the mods are actually about to add and revamp a lot of tags soon-ish. I think I saw something about that recently.
Yeah , they haved the option in their other game , why just destroy it ?
It's just alternative path , people who want NTR stuff have their stuff and other have their stuff too , why not ?
Also they are these "grey" area when people can tolerate a bunch of NTR and can stop when they can't tolerate it anymore .
Personnaly , NTR game are like horror game for me. I like to avoid the NTR part of them but in the mean time , i like the tension between the fact that i have to endure some of it or that i'm not sure if i have avoid it or not . Unfortunatly , i generaly need to know if a good ending exist or if NTR is avoidable to be able to enjoy these game .
I will repeat myself a little (so read my last post) but for me NTR are like horror game
I like to find a way to avoid NTR , or at least to save the girl from NTR. The tension that she will fall , the fact that you aren't sure what she is doing or if she have fall are also an enjoyable part of it , but i nearly always need to be able to have a good end .
This doesn't mean that i needed to know if it exist , but when it become clear that i can't do anything to save her , no matter what i do , in every route possible , it become trash tier to me (subjectively speaking of course)
- Jun 15, 2019
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holy moly this game is good, avantgarde NTR games are always top tier
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- Jul 27, 2022
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what boner, I already came 4 timesAre you getting your daily boner?
It's destroying my dick
(thank you avantgarde)
- Jul 27, 2022
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Since NTR seems to be a big on/off point for everyone here. Here's the guide for the True end.
Progress the Story normally. You can corrupt Amelia however you like. If you're me who plays for story and CG completion, you can get all the NTR CG's just fine
Once you're at chapter 5 (or even sooner? I can't confirm I got the true end after getting the normal end and playing the post-game). Confirmed as early as Chapter 3.
There are 3 Sub dungeons (puzzle dungeons no combat)
1. Indoors Stairs left of the Church
2. Upper right Corner of the Boy's Dorm
3. Right Tower on the outside FRONT of the School
Complete the 3 sub dungeons and you'll get the (2) True End CG's after you do the end game as normal.
Edit: If someone can confirm I got the order of 1 and 2 correct; I did it last night and don't remember if the order I listed is correct.
Edit 2: Both Order of Dungeon and Earliest Chapter Confirmed by onore
Progress the Story normally. You can corrupt Amelia however you like. If you're me who plays for story and CG completion, you can get all the NTR CG's just fine
Once you're at chapter 5 (or even sooner? I can't confirm I got the true end after getting the normal end and playing the post-game). Confirmed as early as Chapter 3.
There are 3 Sub dungeons (puzzle dungeons no combat)
1. Indoors Stairs left of the Church
2. Upper right Corner of the Boy's Dorm
3. Right Tower on the outside FRONT of the School
Complete the 3 sub dungeons and you'll get the (2) True End CG's after you do the end game as normal.
Edit: If someone can confirm I got the order of 1 and 2 correct; I did it last night and don't remember if the order I listed is correct.
Edit 2: Both Order of Dungeon and Earliest Chapter Confirmed by onore
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- Aug 1, 2020
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Uh, Im not with my pc at the moment, but I have used my phone to translate with google lol
here you go I guess. Like I mentioned, its just untranslated, no matter what I did. The fetishes are also untranslated for me
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that was the order I did as well. 100% you can start the first dungeon before chapter 5. I think i started chapter 3 or so. The three optional dungeons are a must to trigger the true ending. I normally don't like ntr (still don't) but the true end made up for it lol
- Jul 9, 2021
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Honestly, I agree on the body mod / badonkers part. that kind of ruins it for me. first half of the game was somewhat enjoyable and better than the run of the mill stuff you normally get.
Low key Olivia best character, shame she doesnt have more scenes or more of a story.
Surprisingly the side characters were almost better than the main characters in this one. I.e. Elena, Olivia, etc. Great designs and also even likable personalities and such. Tho Olivia came too late in the game and came to shor in terms of characterization.
I didn't mind Amelia either, the issue was (like I said) the extreme body mods it went to. Dont mind the accessories (tat, piercing) but bigger isnt always better and that goes for boobs too, they were perfectly fine in the beginning of the game.
- Jul 9, 2021
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its all because of vanilla fans who really hate NTR stuff they push them to not make NTR game anymore but they can't do it because NTR its really popular in this days and make a lot of money like "Natsuiro no kowaremono" and "gedou yusha ikkou" and some OVAs from T-Rex, so they decide created both NTR and Vanilla at the same time on they project to not hurt many fans but vanilla fans keep pushing it and make them depression about it.
uh can someone share the save before you entered the true ending i just want to see that im lazy to play the game.
well im curious bcs there is a person who said the ending song is a banger and i wanna hear it, so yeah i appreciate it if someone share it.
well i only manage to find the after ending stuff, but not the normal nor the true end.
well im curious bcs there is a person who said the ending song is a banger and i wanna hear it, so yeah i appreciate it if someone share it.
well i only manage to find the after ending stuff, but not the normal nor the true end.
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can u give me some spoiler about normal end and true end? I just didn't want to play it if it at the end its lead to vanilla end