Ren'Py Apartment #69 [v0.08] [Luxee]

[srfsmrf_]

Didn't know the patch was pre-installed it lol

It isn't?

 

[Nadira]

It isn't?

I think he is confusing the patch with the code. I find that rather funny...

 

[Darkyz]

I think he is confusing the patch with the code. I find that rather funny...

Nope , I said that because when I checked inside the game the (''game'') file already had the lewdpatch inside so I downloaded the patch in vain that is why it was amusing.

 

[CutieLvr]

Holy shit, for some reason I thought this game was completed or abandoned.

 

[colobancuz]

 

[GingerbreadMan]

I wasn't here at the start did the dev say early on how much more screen time Nea would get and that she'd be the primary LI? Because if not of course people will complain.

Devs should be open and upfront from the start. I just looked at his patreon and in the about section there was no mention of girls being forced or anything.

This is important info for a lot of people.

To my knowledge, no, she wasn't ever announced as being the main focus.
Luxee's previous game was very linear, and the main reason this game exists is because they wanted to try something different, hence the more open, sandboxey style.

That also means that they aren't forced into a linear timeline for development.
While we have no way to have a concrete answer here (bigoted shitheads on this site effectively caused Luxee to give up on this place entirely and stop interacting here), it's fairly safe to assume that they mostly work on content depending on inspiration, since the nature of A69 allows for it. This means that Nea has, so far, more content because Luxee had a lot of ideas and inspiration for her. It's pretty obvious that they like trans feminine characters, so it's unsurprising.
But given what the next update is shaping up to be, it's also fairly safe to consider that the others will have more content as well, as Luxee gets inspired.

While it can suck for people who have no interest (or the visceral hatred some of the more stupid here have shown...) for Nea, it also, in my opinion, seems to work out well for Luxee. Not all creative people work the same, and as someone who function the same way at it seems Luxee does, focusing on inspiration and ideas tend to lead people like that to a lot higher quality and a lot more motivation.
Now, if people would stop harassing and insulting Luxee, that motivation wouldn't get trashed all the time, but what do you know, a lot of the people who get smut games for free tend to be assholes, so...

I'm surprised Nea isn't on the banner image tbh, given her prominent place in the story.
It does make a change from the common habit of putting every npc on the banner, but I do think Nea should have been on it.

As far as I remember, there was talk about Luxee wanting to put more focus on a transgender character, and him sharing his progress in creating Nea long before A69 was officially born or worked on.

That was on his discord though.

It has to have gotten into the PL thread at some point, or later the game development thread of A69 before the release?, because I was never really active on his discord or read the discussions there and learned about it from F95 back then - after which I looked into it more on discord I think.

It is the same with the structure of this VN and his explanation that he felt held back by traditional story-telling, and wanted to focus on what he wanted without having to either adhere to the story progression or retcon previous releases.

So the information was around, just buried in other threads and discord, but never put forth for new players to easily access.

My personal guess is that he knew that transgender was really niche and controversial and therefore added other content around it, to add more tags and content that people are interested in on a broader level.
Thinking, that this would either take away negative focus from Nea while still enabling him to release Nea focussed content while maintaining a bigger supporter base or even maybe being able to persuade people to open up to trans content after getting to know Nea.

In the end he heavily misjudged how A69 would be received - also because of lacking communication between other mistakes.

There will have been people this worked on - I, for example, was on the fence from the beginning, because trans content is not my content, but I was willing to give A69 a try because I liked PL and there was hope communicated he would add a friendship path very much from the beginning.
When that was first confirmed and then removed an update later, I still continued, because I didn't want to loose Nea's story by then.

But if this is not your type of content, you didn't have any prior insights and thought you could just ignore that one optional LI - only to recognize you couldn't at first - I can understand people being upset about that - doesn't excuse the toxicity directed at Luxee though.

 

[mmule]

In the variables_lain.rpy file, it was missing to declare "default skip_nea_content = False"
Extract from scripts.rpa and decompile rpyc:
scripts/variables_lain.rpyc to variables_lain.rpy

 

[srfsmrf_]

[...]

Yeah, I believe that's 'Bug Workaround' from OP?

 

[Ahayri]

Guys is a porn game to please fetishes, lolis or not, everyone has their closet skeletons.
For example, I play this one because of Nea, if I could remove everything and make the game focused on her and live a romance with the trans girl who suffers bullying I would do it.
it's a game, let's not burn the world for something that we already know is there on the part of the dev not only here but in any game.

If you dislike it or it makes you feel negative things, try another one, if you want to leave the criticism, go ahead.
If you want to defend your game for x reason, then do that too, but don't lose your head trying to cover the sun with a finger or create a problem where there really isn't one.

I feel the same way—I really enjoy the romance storyline with Nea, and I’m not a fan of polygamy or other stuff. Still, hats off to the developer for a fantastic job!

 

[colobancuz]

 

[dluser]

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2.5 to 3 months until the next update ??

 

[colobancuz]

Luxee's been getting a lot more frequent.

 

[iopq]

As far as I remember, there was talk about Luxee wanting to put more focus on a transgender character, and him sharing his progress in creating Nea long before A69 was officially born or worked on.

That was on his discord though.

It has to have gotten into the PL thread at some point, or later the game development thread of A69 before the release?, because I was never really active on his discord or read the discussions there and learned about it from F95 back then - after which I looked into it more on discord I think.

It is the same with the structure of this VN and his explanation that he felt held back by traditional story-telling, and wanted to focus on what he wanted without having to either adhere to the story progression or retcon previous releases.

So the information was around, just buried in other threads and discord, but never put forth for new players to easily access.

My personal guess is that he knew that transgender was really niche and controversial and therefore added other content around it, to add more tags and content that people are interested in on a broader level.
Thinking, that this would either take away negative focus from Nea while still enabling him to release Nea focussed content while maintaining a bigger supporter base or even maybe being able to persuade people to open up to trans content after getting to know Nea.

In the end he heavily misjudged how A69 would be received - also because of lacking communication between other mistakes.

There will have been people this worked on - I, for example, was on the fence from the beginning, because trans content is not my content, but I was willing to give A69 a try because I liked PL and there was hope communicated he would add a friendship path very much from the beginning.
When that was first confirmed and then removed an update later, I still continued, because I didn't want to loose Nea's story by then.

But if this is not your type of content, you didn't have any prior insights and thought you could just ignore that one optional LI - only to recognize you couldn't at first - I can understand people being upset about that - doesn't excuse the toxicity directed at Luxee though.

Obligatory blanket statement that a creator can do whatever they want with their game.

Regarding this game the 'drama' only arose when people started making a fuss that they had no desire for trans content.
While Luxee admittedly handled it pretty terribly, it doesn't make them at fault.


I personally think the whole thing is pretty comical because the sheer scope of things like fetishes and politics on this/other forums and discords is so vast, yet a stupidly large portion of these people are insanely adamant about promoting their take of the polarizing sides.


I still think that from a narrative landscape A69 has the potential to be amongst the best of all time. I just think it went too much off the deep end and it'll be difficult if not impossible to rebuild that passion. If it resurfaces though I'll definitely show support and offer my suggestions.


People just need to accept that not all content is for them and move on. Supporting a creator isn't a commission, they're free to change things dynamically and retroactively if they want.

 

[sc0rp10n]

Doesn't mean there's years of intense work on A69.
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That didn't mean it stopped. And that constany harassment takes its toll on the motivation to work fast and hard on the game.

Well my 2 cents here...
One got a game on a donation plattform and take peoples money there has to be constant work on it for regularly getting money, no excuses here - it's a business then.
I don't get it why people are making excuses for creators when they have more than one funded project and realize i's too much work. When your plumber starts working on your bathroom and stops, cause he currently likes better working on your neighbours one while you're still paying, would you excuse that as well? - don't think so.
Hobby projects are done on ones own time without payment, maybe getting sold after finishing.

For the harrassing thing, well it's the internet one gets positive and negative feedback on anything put out to the public, one can be an adult and ignore it or don't release stuff publically if the pressure is too much. Happens to everyone in every creative or content niche, that's no secret, people are assholes when it's save to be one.

 

[Rutonat]

Well my 2 cents here...
One got a game on a donation plattform and take peoples money there has to be constant work on it for regularly getting money, no excuses here - it's a business then.
I don't get it why people are making excuses for creators when they have more than one funded project and realize i's too much work. When your plumber starts working on your bathroom and stops, cause he currently likes better working on your neighbours one while you're still paying, would you excuse that as well? - don't think so.
Hobby projects are done on ones own time without payment, maybe getting sold after finishing.

Luxee charges by the update, not monthly, so your whole argument falls flat on its ass. Which wouldn't have happened, had you done any amount of research instead of falling into the easy trap to immediately imply they're scamming people by working as slow as possible while taking money.
Feel free to find a new excuse to get angry at me for dismantling that argument if you so chose.

For the harrassing thing, well it's the internet one gets positive and negative feedback on anything put out to the public, one can be an adult and ignore it or don't release stuff publically if the pressure is too much. Happens to everyone in every creative or content niche, that's no secret, people are assholes when it's save to be one.

There's a vast difference between feedback and constant harassment, insults and threats.
A difference that many people on this website seem all too happy to ignore...

 

[sc0rp10n]

Luxee charges by the update, not monthly, so your whole argument falls flat on its ass. Which wouldn't have happened, had you done any amount of research instead of falling into the easy trap to immediately imply they're scamming people by working as slow as possible while taking money.
Feel free to find a new excuse to get angry at me for dismantling that argument if you so chose.


There's a vast difference between feedback and constant harassment, insults and threats.
A difference that many people on this website seem all too happy to ignore...

Well still a business, when it's communicated that update come at will and charge is by the update fine nothing to complain about... My answer was ment to be more broad not that specific dev.
Just to be clear here, there is no point in defending businesses, thats just sad fanboiism... doesn't matter how good your arguments are, people will complain for the sake of complaining anyway...and guess what the people who are complaining the most and loudest are the ones who pay the least or nothing, doesn't matter if thats here or in appstores or elsewhere.
Little ancdote: guess which of my app products got the most complaints about bullshit - yes right the free ones for expensive high end mobiles, that's just part of the business.

I'm aware that there is difference, I just pointed out, that you will have harrasment when you put out stuff to the public, cause people are nasty creatures and that is not just this website, that's everywhere where people can release their brainfarts.

 

[Rutonat]

Well still a business, when it's communicated that update come at will and charge is by the update fine nothing to complain about... My answer was ment to be more broad not that specific dev.
Just to be clear here, there is no point in defending businesses, thats just sad fanboiism... doesn't matter how good your arguments are, people will complain for the sake of complaining anyway...and guess what the people who are complaining the most and loudest are the ones who pay the least or nothing, doesn't matter if thats here or in appstores or elsewhere.
Little ancdote: guess which of my app products got the most complaints about bullshit - yes right the free ones for expensive high end mobiles, that's just part of the business.

If, for you, anything is a "business" the second someone gets money, I guess all kids are businesses if they get pocket money, or get money for their birthdays or Christmas, then.

People who create an actual studio to produce their games, officially, fine.
But a single or a pair of people working on a projet on their spare time while letting the optional option for people to donate a bit of money to help them either pay the bills or things like hires (like paying an artist, for example, is fairly common) ? Calling that a business is ridiculous. Especially if -and since, in this case- the game is offered for free anyway.

Luxee never forced anybody to give them money, never pretended to be a professional studio, and never aimed at more than making their own shit however they liked on their little corner of the internet.

That's not a "business".

I get that you're trying to find any angle to make indie smut game devs into the sole party responsible, and the people who donate and get burned into victims, but that ain't it.

 

[sc0rp10n]

If, for you, anything is a "business" the second someone gets money, I guess all kids are businesses if they get pocket money, or get money for their birthdays or Christmas, then.

People who create an actual studio to produce their games, officially, fine.
But a single or a pair of people working on a projet on their spare time while letting the optional option for people to donate a bit of money to help them either pay the bills or things like hires (like paying an artist, for example, is fairly common) ? Calling that a business is ridiculous. Especially if -and since, in this case- the game is offered for free anyway.

Luxee never forced anybody to give them money, never pretended to be a professional studio, and never aimed at more than making their own shit however they liked on their little corner of the internet.

That's not a "business".

I get that you're trying to find any angle to make indie smut game devs into the sole party responsible, and the people who donate and get burned into victims, but that ain't it.

Interesting, what exactly are kids selling to earn the pocket money they get? Lousy comparison...

Sorry but selling the stuff you made is business, doesn't matter if you call yourself a studio, it's still commercial work, or are you telling mee freelancers are just hobbyists?

Thats the whole point I'm making here you stuff for money, it's considered professional commercial work with all the ups and down wich are coming with it...

"That's not a "business"." you're simply wrong about that, you make money you pay tax on the income it generates, how's that not a business...

For your last statement, I didn't said that and to be honest if people wanna burn their money on it, it's fine for me, nothing to complain about.

My complain was that people who do stuff professionally (means selling it) have to deal with expectation that comes with that and I don't get or respect when people starting flamewars to protect their favorite devs - again that dev is doing business and needs to handle situations like unsatisfied customers professionally, as well as their working ethics.
Job's to hard, well then do something else, or go back hobby projects or whatever, not everyone is made for dealing with customers, that's fine...

 

[Rutonat]

Sorry but selling the stuff you made is business, doesn't matter if you call yourself a studio, it's still commercial work, or are you telling mee freelancers are just hobbyists?

And there you have it.
Most devs aren't selling. The donations are optional.
If you decide to donate money to a dev who isn't asking for you to pay for their game, they aren't selling you the game. You are, of your own free will, deciding to give them money.

You just want to be able to blame the devs and accuse them of scamming because you make poor financial decisions, and refuse to accept any accountability for it.

Your logic is inherently flawed.
But I didn't expect anything else, given that many people here seem to be irresponsible with their money and quick to try to create an angry mob to attack devs.

 

[sc0rp10n]

And there you have it.
Most devs aren't selling. The donations are optional.
If you decide to donate money to a dev who isn't asking for you to pay for their game, they aren't selling you the game. You are, of your own free will, deciding to give them money.

You just want to be able to blame the devs and accuse them of scamming because you make poor financial decisions, and refuse to accept any accountability for it.

Your logic is inherently flawed.
But I didn't expect anything else, given that many people here seem to be irresponsible with their money and quick to try to create an angry mob to attack devs.

What are you talking about, it doesn't matter if payment is optional or not, fact is, you can even register on these donation platforms or receiving donation without a commercial tax id, seriously that takes you 5 min to find out...

I haven't blamed any devs in this discussion, get you record straight, I'm complaining about people like you who are defending busines operations against complains from the customer side.
That's anoying af to get a freaking flamewar when somebody says hey I'm anoyed that stuff takes ages or whatever - you're not rescueing a kid from beeing bullied in school here...

Anyway keep living in your misguided ignorance, but stop attacking people cause they said something bad about your favourite devs, doenst help anyone, is annoying and makes you look like an idiot.