VN Ren'Py Abandoned Babysitting Cream: BetaMix Edition [v0.3.5] [Novilon]

[CarlCarlson99]

I'd rather keep the original house design. It's kind of tied to this project at this point.
If need be, just have an illustration done that looks identical if you want the photos replaced

 

[Xaverion]

Does this mean ye be officially back?

Yep. I'll be working on the week extension, maybe mess around a bit with the cleaner GUI, and maybe look into removing the randomness into meeting Amy at the nature trail or at least maybe give hints about meeting someone. After that, not sure what else to do. Ermollo, if you could, mind sending me the image files for the icons/gui if you have them?


The current code for the "new"

screen bars2():
    frame:
        xpadding 10
        ypadding 10
        pos(0.01, 0.01)

        $ energy_val = stats.val('energy')
        $ rwc_val = stats.val('rwc')
        $ hunger_val = stats.val('hunger')
        $ daylabel = "{0} - {1}".format(day.num, day.name)

        vbox:
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/energy.png"
                text "%d/%d" % (energy_val, 250)
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/heart.png"
                text "%d" % (rwc_val) ypos 0.1
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/hunger white.png"
                text "%d" % (hunger_val)
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/day.png"
                text "Day %d - %s" % (day.num, day.name)
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/time white.png"
                text "[day.hour]:[day.minute:02d]"
            hbox:
                add "gui/icons/cash white.png"
                text "[inv.rings]"

It is dangerous to speak for someone else, especially when you barely know them, but based on my interactions...I suspect they have their own thoughts on it, but are of the mind of listening to the community about it, and then using that to make the decision. They can confirm when available again. For myself...I am more of an extremist in taking the stance of doing away with them completely (personal opinion) but would readily accept/not push back against something like this kind of proposal in most cases.

Correct. I'm personally inclined to keep the cheats for players who wants to use them. But I'm open to changing it to NG+ style or the unlockable cheat style. Though, I'm keep those on the back burner for now.

I'd rather keep the original house design. It's kind of tied to this project at this point.
If need be, just have an illustration done that looks identical if you want the photos replaced

I'm personally open to replacing the current backgrounds if there is consensus.

 

[FoxyTails]

Only thing I would mention is, if you are chaning the textbox...we need to know ASAP how dramatically, as it changes how much text we feed into each "line of code" for each step of an event. We would not want important data to be lost because characters are overflowing into nothingness.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough (was on phone and in a bit of a rush) so I'll try to explain a bit better this time - lol

I did say

, yet for some reason the chat box seems to fit quite nicely imho - although a little darker perhaps ?? make the actual text stand out more

What I meant that the light orange/yellow background in the new UI seems a bit too light for me, don't know about anyone else but I find it a bit difficult reading the text

If it's darkened a little bit the text will stand out more clearly, maybe a touch lighter than the original UI text box colours (where we have a more orange background - although the orange does match with Creams dress sense though). I also like the new font as well, don't know if you can have a shadow on it though - that might make it stand out a bit clearer

Another thing I like is the fact that instead of having the Name in-line with the text, which takes up room in the old UI,



In the new UI, the name is located above giving the opportunity of having more room for text,



However the problem with new UI is that the characters are drawn 'above' the box and while it looks nice they're now taking up available room for the text. In the original ui the characters are drawn behind the box

Xaverion I know you're working on the cleaner GUI... I hope you're not planning for the stat gui (top left) having a black background
How does it look with a transparent background ??

 

[Pleevy]

Yep. I'll be working on the week extension, maybe mess around a bit with the cleaner GUI, and maybe look into removing the randomness into meeting Amy at the nature trail or at least maybe give hints about meeting someone. After that, not sure what else to do.

I will DM you, probably later today (my time zone), tomorrow at the latest. I'll have more stuff to send your way very soon.
Instant reaction to the trail...I picture sort of a back and forth with Cream like, "Were'nt you in Cub scouts Cream? Sure was Mr. Sonic, I even got a survivalist badge. Thats neat Cream. Why don't you show me what you learned...Even though this is just a local trail, not real wilderness....you can still track wildlife, even here. Sure Mr Sonic, Look here, this plant was recently disturbed....someone may have been passing through here...must have just missed them. Maybe they'll come back..."

Another thing I like is the fact that instead of having the Name in-line with the text, which takes up room in the old UI,

In the new UI, the name is located above giving the opportunity of having more room for text,

However the problem with new UI is that the characters are drawn 'above' the box and while it looks nice they're now taking up available room for the text. In the original ui the characters are drawn behind the box

Xaverion I know you're working on the cleaner GUI... I hope you're not planning for the stat gui (top left) having a black background
How does it look with a transparent background ??

I like the repositioning character name and that could offset my worry about the other changes and the text string length, which I mentioned before. Still would be good to know what length we should look a as the maximum once a new interface is designed...for the sake of anyone writing...*nudge...wink* Though agreed with Foxy...While Sprite out front is nice...that would then UNDO any gains from the name change, which means font/size similarity to the current is more critical or we have to go through a lot of text potentially...A LOT...and split it into additional strings that will fit. Not saying we shouldn't do it...just keep in mind the ramifications and what it means in terms of elongating the needed time to complete things.

 

[Xaverion]

@Xaverion I know you're working on the cleaner GUI... I hope you're not planning for the stat gui (top left) having a black background
How does it look with a transparent background ??

No no, I was just testing. Wanted to make sure I can put in a image and text side by side in the ordered manner. The background is just the default frame currently. I'll try to get it to be translucent, however you do that anyway, with lighter colours. Probably white.

I like the repositioning character name and that could offset my worry about the other changes and the text string length, which I mentioned before. Still would be good to know what length we should look a as the maximum once a new interface is designed...for the sake of anyone writing...*nudge...wink* Though agreed with Foxy...While Sprite out front is nice...that would then UNDO any gains from the name change, which means font/size similarity to the current is more critical or we have to go through a lot of text potentially...A LOT...and split it into additional strings that will fit. Not saying we shouldn't do it...just keep in mind the ramifications and what it means in terms of elongating the needed time to complete things.

If I do go with the cleaner textbox look, the sprites will probably still be behind the textbox. Mostly cause I don't event know how to make them appear in front of the textbox

 

[Pleevy]

If I do go with the cleaner textbox look, the sprites will probably still be behind the textbox. Mostly cause I don't event know how to make them appear in front of the textbox

*Le Ghasp* Something the codemaster DOESN'T know?!? Alert the presses!

 

[seronis]

I don't event know how to make them appear in front of the textbox

In the 'say' screen you would move the place where SideImage is added so that its below where the 'what' text is added. Rendering order in a screen is top-down so you just change the order to change it visually.

Though in fairness side images are already above dialog text in a new default renpy project so it would be odd if they show below the text. And this only applies for side images, not sprites tha used the 'show' statement.

For normal sprites they show on the master layer which is below the screens layer so they will always be below dialog unless you add a new custom layer and manually tell renpy to show certain images there.

((edited cause i realized you were talking about normal sprites and not side images, so included info for both))

 

[Ermollo]

Ermollo, if you could, mind sending me the image files for the icons/gui if you have them?

Ok.
I'll get the files ready and send them to you as an archive

upd. it's ready

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Feel free to hit me up if you need help resizing images, changing the color of the interface, designing new buttons, or anything else like that.
By the way, it would be cool if you could make the stat window extend out from behind the screen borders.

upd2.
Maybe it'd make sense to add two more design themes?
1) A neutral, plain, dark translucent one.
2) A kawaii and more colorful one.
I'll do a more detailed layout when I have some free time.

 

[DarkLink]

Correct. I'm personally inclined to keep the cheats for players who wants to use them. But I'm open to changing it to NG+ style or the unlockable cheat style. Though, I'm keep those on the back burner for now.

I'm personally open to replacing the current backgrounds if there is consensus.

Personally, while I appreciate others making suggestions/providing possible new options, I'd prefer to keep the backgrounds and UI as they currently are, both for the sake of nostalgia and because it's more work that doesn't really seem necessary. And for that new background/UI suggestion specifically, it's way too much cream tone and not enough contrast (as others already pointed out.) If changes were going to be made to the UI/backgrounds at all I'd prefer they at least be minimal ones that stay closer to the original in realism/tone.

Similarly with cheats, I agree that they're fine in their current form. Anyone who wants to play without cheats can (and probably should for a first playthrough), but there are always players who would prefer to access cheats rather than waste time save scumming if you messed up and ran out of energy/rings etc. Spending effort to lock them behind NG+ or achievements just seems like more unnecessary work.