VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Better Cock Spock]

I'm not sure that DPC often refers to himself as a perfectionist. I mean he made a comment that one time... I think that people just started using the term here long enough that the origin got skewed. Then they used the term to ridicule him when they see things that aren't perfect (bit of a strawman actually).

He's not a perfectionist; he pays attention to certain little details (or at least he used to) which helps his game stand apart from other bland piles of shit, but his game is clearly far from perfection and always has been. Even though I don't like it as much as before, there's no denying it's still one of the best out there (I can't comment on the whole Japanese visual novel industry that people say is awesome 'cause I've never touched that shit).

Anyway, regarding Jill and Tybalt, she's always been aware he's trying to win her over, she commented as such to Bella in episode 3. But she's not interested in Tybalt like that, and just tolerates him. In her own words (ep. 7):

Jill: "Look, he's only been around because of who I am and who he is."​

Jill: "I'm not the type of person to be unfriendly to get rid of someone. That's not how I was raised-"​

So she's not even remotely interested in dating Tybalt, but was dating the mc and figured it didn't feel quite right. Those are not comparable, she's clearly going to be more selective with who she wants to fuck vs who she associates with on campus, so there's nothing inconsistent with any of that.

Regarding the "punishment" system. I've debated this one before. While the actual actions that make the mc a CHICK/DIK/NEUTRAL may not directly happen in front of everyone, they shape the kind of person the mc is, and that permeates into everything about him. So just because Maya & Josy don't see the mc walking away from a blubbering Steve (actually that's the worst example, Steve is a cunt, no one would have consoled him when he was sucking himself off in the closet). Anyway, just because they didn't see him doing the definitive DIK things, if he's a DIK by nature, they'll come to feel it, and may just not like it. He uses different words, is more haughty and all that shit. Maya is looking for a sensitive, girly boy: DIK mc is not that (except he still cries a lot).

Deviating from the "Jill Picnic Path" has been discussed to death, but just like sliding doors, or ships that pass in the night, or even some fucking butterfly flapping its wings in some other country, in life some decisions have a snowball effect and shit turns out differently because of one little decision; George didn't stand up to Biff, Lorraine and George didn't kiss at the dance, so they never got married and Marty was never born (oh wait, that was Back to the Future).

Regarding Jill befriending the Scooby Gang, everyone (except Sage) has been playing DnG together (a truly deeply bonding experience), and all (except Sage) went to her recital. Jill hit it off with Josy ages ago, and so everyone except Sage has gotten to know Jill over time. But consistently Sage has kept her distance, and we find out why during the Halloween party. But once Sage realises that Jill actually very much dislikes Tybalt, they bond over their hatred of Sage's brother. It's funny that if Tybalt hadn't blackmailed Jill, she would have stood up to Sage when she badmouthed him, and they wouldn't be on friendly terms.

Also remember Bella has been helping Sage with her dissertation and has changed some preconceptions she had of her; that's going to play into the dynamic over the next few episodes too.

So I would say there's nothing inexplicable that's been going on. There are fuzzy lines dictating the norms of human behaviour and perhaps Jill forgiving the mc for fucking Bella when seriously dating Jill is the only real stretch of the imagination. But when that happens, Jill hasn't fucked the mc yet, they were just dating and Jill acknowledged he was dating others. And she does take a bit of time to come to terms with it.

So yeah. No big deal.


That was the one and only good DPC non-lewd animation, AND YOU JUST FUCKED IT!

Hey I didn't create the gif, I just use it all the time

Also that was a lot of words, next time learn to fucking summarize you nerd

But I generally agree. And the DIK system is a lot like the karma system in Fallout: they both kinda suck. But they do color certain moments differently, be it big or small.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Hey I didn't create the gif, I just use it all the time

Also that was a lot of words, next time learn to fucking summarize you nerd

But I generally agree. And the DIK system is a lot like the karma system in Fallout: they both kinda suck. But they do color certain moments differently, be it big or small.

I don't see much “color” in it

even the worst MC, who gives more punches than handshakes, will still be surprisingly girly for Maya and cry with Zoey on the bench.

those are traps, they don't represent the opinion about MC, but the opinion about MC on that specific occasion, to make you replay more games, nothing more nothing less

 

[ChipLecsap]

I'm not sure that DPC often refers to himself as a perfectionist. I mean he made a comment that one time... I think that people just started using the term here long enough that the origin got skewed. Then they used the term to ridicule him when they see things that aren't perfect (bit of a strawman actually).

He's not a perfectionist; he pays attention to certain little details (or at least he used to) which helps his game stand apart from other bland piles of shit, but his game is clearly far from perfection and always has been. Even though I don't like it as much as before, there's no denying it's still one of the best out there (I can't comment on the whole Japanese visual novel industry that people say is awesome 'cause I've never touched that shit).

Anyway, regarding Jill and Tybalt, she's always been aware he's trying to win her over, she commented as such to Bella in episode 3. But she's not interested in Tybalt like that, and just tolerates him. In her own words (ep. 7):

Jill: "Look, he's only been around because of who I am and who he is."​

Jill: "I'm not the type of person to be unfriendly to get rid of someone. That's not how I was raised-"​

So she's not even remotely interested in dating Tybalt, but was dating the mc and figured it didn't feel quite right. Those are not comparable, she's clearly going to be more selective with who she wants to fuck vs who she associates with on campus, so there's nothing inconsistent with any of that.

Regarding the "punishment" system. I've debated this one before. While the actual actions that make the mc a CHICK/DIK/NEUTRAL may not directly happen in front of everyone, they shape the kind of person the mc is, and that permeates into everything about him. So just because Maya & Josy don't see the mc walking away from a blubbering Steve (actually that's the worst example, Steve is a cunt, no one would have consoled him when he was sucking himself off in the closet). Anyway, just because they didn't see him doing the definitive DIK things, if he's a DIK by nature, they'll come to feel it, and may just not like it. He uses different words, is more haughty and all that shit. Maya is looking for a sensitive, girly boy: DIK mc is not that (except he still cries a lot).

Deviating from the "Jill Picnic Path" has been discussed to death, but just like sliding doors, or ships that pass in the night, or even some fucking butterfly flapping its wings in some other country, in life some decisions have a snowball effect and shit turns out differently because of one little decision; George didn't stand up to Biff, Lorraine and George didn't kiss at the dance, so they never got married and Marty was never born (oh wait, that was Back to the Future).

Regarding Jill befriending the Scooby Gang, everyone (except Sage) has been playing DnG together (a truly deeply bonding experience), and all (except Sage) went to her recital. Jill hit it off with Josy ages ago, and so everyone except Sage has gotten to know Jill over time. But consistently Sage has kept her distance, and we find out why during the Halloween party. But once Sage realises that Jill actually very much dislikes Tybalt, they bond over their hatred of Sage's brother. It's funny that if Tybalt hadn't blackmailed Jill, she would have stood up to Sage when she badmouthed him, and they wouldn't be on friendly terms.

Also remember Bella has been helping Sage with her dissertation and has changed some preconceptions she had of her; that's going to play into the dynamic over the next few episodes too.

So I would say there's nothing inexplicable that's been going on. There are fuzzy lines dictating the norms of human behaviour and perhaps Jill forgiving the mc for fucking Bella when seriously dating Jill is the only real stretch of the imagination. But when that happens, Jill hasn't fucked the mc yet, they were just dating and Jill acknowledged he was dating others. And she does take a bit of time to come to terms with it.

So yeah. No big deal.

" I Disagree wholeheartedly! "

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I don't see much “color” in it

even the worst MC, who gives more punches than handshakes, will still be surprisingly girly for Maya and cry with Zoey on the bench.

those are traps, they don't represent the opinion about MC, but the opinion about MC on that specific occasion, to make you replay more games, nothing more nothing less

What you call traps is just the story, regardless of affinity. MC will always be a good friend to Maya despite how much of a douchebag he is, will always have strong feelings about Zoey even if he tries to push her away out of anger for leaving him. There was a convo not too long ago about MC being more in tune with his emotions, being able to express them without worrying about how others might view him. He's going to cry, or bitch, or whatever the story calls for.

That's why I said "color", it's mostly just tweaks here and there. You can hug Maya after Patrick's visit, or you're too big a DIK. But you still comfort her regardless.

 

[shazba jnr]

" I Disagree wholeheartedly! "

You owe me, or at least felice, royalties for that comment!

Also that was a lot of words, next time learn to fucking summarize you nerd

I'll have you know I used to be renowned for walls of text around here, but walls of text that people surprisingly read...

even the worst MC, who gives more punches than handshakes, will still be surprisingly girly for Maya and cry with Zoey on the bench.

Although we know the mc already fucked Zoey back in grade school, and he's already 18 years old when the story starts, it's almost a "coming of age" story for him. He's been raised by a sensitive father, and therefore he's a sensitive kid. But after starting at college, he's (perhaps) tried to break that mould, reinvent himself, becoming a DIK, but he still can't lose that sensitive streak. And back when he was getting to know Maya he hadn't yet found his feet.

 

[yossa999]

I'll have you know I used to be renowned for walls of text around here, but walls of text that people surprisingly read...

These days, anyone can get a summary of any post in a second using AI. Let's face it, I indulge in this myself sometimes when I'm just too lazy to dig into the details of someone's wall of whining in the review section.

But posts like yours (and the dev logs) are probably the reason I'm still reading this thread, so please keep it up.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Although we know the mc already fucked Zoey back in grade school, and he's already 18 years old when the story starts, it's almost a "coming of age" story for him. He's been raised by a sensitive father, and therefore he's a sensitive kid. But after starting at college, he's (perhaps) tried to break that mould, reinvent himself, becoming a DIK, but he still can't lose that sensitive streak. And back when he was getting to know Maya he hadn't yet found his feet.

I don't understand what you are referring to. It doesn't spend that much time. Maya doesn't trust mc and the next day, or 2 now I don't remember the timeline, she reveals to him how talking to him for her is like talking to a girl.

The crying on the bench is in the ninth chapter, where the junkie, restaurant-goer, street beater, nonetheless cries.

But mc is profoundly different, but he hides it well.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

in my movie, I've decided I want Tom Green as Derek.

I've finally found the perfect partner for zoey. Rusty, he's not a dipshit, he's rich and he is conventionally attractive what more can a gal want?

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I don't understand what you are referring to. It doesn't spend that much time. Maya doesn't trust mc and the next day, or 2 now I don't remember the timeline, she reveals to him how talking to him for her is like talking to a girl.

The crying on the bench is in the ninth chapter, where the junkie, restaurant-goer, street beater, nonetheless cries.

But mc is profoundly different, but he hides it well.

Does his heart turn to stone if he's a DIK? His tear ducts dry up? Jeez I'd hate for Neil to die, and MC just has a bored expression throughout the funeral, if he even attends. If he can't cry when reuniting with the 2nd most important person in his life, what the fuck can he cry about?

 

[shazba jnr]

I don't understand what you are referring to. It doesn't spend that much time. Maya doesn't trust mc and the next day, or 2 now I don't remember the timeline, she reveals to him how talking to him for her is like talking to a girl.

The crying on the bench is in the ninth chapter, where the junkie, restaurant-goer, street beater, nonetheless cries.

But mc is profoundly different, but he hides it well.

Are you suggesting I change the second last bench in the "Official Being a DIK Bench Listing" to the "Junkie, Restaurant-goer, Street Beater, Crybaby Bench"?

Benches of Being a DIK:

Spoiler: The 'Cheaters Bench'...

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Spoiler: They just keep coming - the 'Dumping Bench'

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Spoiler: And late to the party - the 'Dinosaur Bench!'

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Updated to include the bench from episode 10. I was thinking of organising a poll to see who we dedicate the bench to, because Quinn, Riona, and M&J all hung around it, but in the end, the dinosaurs won. You don't fuck with dinosaurs!

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Spoiler: The 'Awkward! Bench'

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And yeah, there's probably another bench or two in episode 10 that I haven't got around to adding to the mix...

That's the "Pissed My Pants" bench

And the Episode 10 bench is the Dinosaur Bench

 

[Mordreut]

Bullshit. It's just dpc stupid punishment system, that is not consistent with the actual plot of the game. Josy, Maya, and Jill basically rejecting MC based on decisions that has absolutely nothing do do wiht them no matter how " nice " you are toward them.
These are the illusion of choice, fake choices. Your actions toward individual person should matter and not whether you comfort Steve, who form the get go a jackass toward you .

You invest time and effort to study the song for Jill, something MC decide that he wants to learn but at least its up to the player whether he do it or not. and When you Help Jill make her Biggest Dream come True, and she admit, that you are nothing but Nice toward her ever since you first meet , but all that is not enough becasue somwehre along the line you made a choice, to not comfort a Jackass, or stand up, and Fight against Bullies, or that you decide to take care of a sick friend

but if you make all the right choices what has no effect toward her you can Chase both her and Her Best friend , and she can witness as you Fuck her Best Friend - who btw encourage her to date you - on her diining table.

And somehow that has literally Zero fall back on you. Somehow She not burst out at full anger at you and say " I never want to see you in my life ever again " , because she is so mature, only Josy has this privlege to actually act like a person who hurt by your actions , and she get shit for it.

No instead she suddenly became all BFF with Sage, and start to hang around you and your people , despite it felt like in 80% of the game she was like in an different game compared to everyone else.

Perfection at is finest

I agree with you.

BaDIK is AVN with branches, but DPC wants to keep the main history at any cost , so even all the MG doesn't want to be with you (or viceversa), the game forces you to be good friends with all of them. For example, Maya/Josy rejects you at the end of episode 4, In this moment, I thought "They are dead to me", but , two paragraphs later "let's be friends" or when after saving Jill's concert and running to meet her (during the third date with Tybalt), she rejects you... It doesn't hasve sense, unless, DPC wants to recycle the good game endings with the MG so he can offer a redemption path to give you a second chance with all the MG (ike he is doing with Maya and Josy in season 3 or when he hinted with Sage in episode 8 after breaking with her) but even then, it would be so stiff

 

[Better Cock Spock]

That's the "Pissed My Pants" bench

And the Episode 10 bench is the Dinosaur Bench
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The Demon BJ Bench is another choice of course

But ya know, dinosaurs are fucking cool

 

[felicemastronzo]

Does his heart turn to stone if he's a DIK? His tear ducts dry up? Jeez I'd hate for Neil to die, and MC just has a bored expression throughout the funeral, if he even attends. If he can't cry when reuniting with the 2nd most important person in his life, what the fuck can he cry about?

I guess it's sarcasm, otherwise ...

 

[Bootyman92]

What's so creepy about that?
I've kept locks of hair from all of my ex-girlfriends without them even knowing. And I've combined all the hair into my own personal little doll. And I play with it, and pet it, and talk naughty to it and rub my peepee with it. Then when I get a new girlfriend, I secretly whisper how I will make her hair part of my beautiful creation so she can keep growing and one day I'll be able to marry her
Perfectly normal behavior.

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[Better Cock Spock]

I guess it's sarcasm, otherwise ...

Well then with no sarcasm, when is it okay for a DIK MC to cry? A junkie, restaurant-goer, street beater who nonetheless cries when Zoey returns doesn't seem believable to you.

 

[Bootyman92]

Neil's eyes did light up when she showed up on his doorstep
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That smile

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[redbone89]

Todays mode

 

[redbone89]

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[felicemastronzo]

Well then with no sarcasm, when is it okay for a DIK MC to cry? A junkie, restaurant-goer, street beater who nonetheless cries when Zoey returns doesn't seem believable to you.

The point, beyond the attempts at confusion, is clearly whether a mc dik and chick are really different or not.

The reaction of mc to Zoey does not seem to me to be as universal as the loss of his father might be.

Mc is pretty much the same, at most he is a victim of prejudice if we really want to continue to defend the affinity mechanism