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I love this game because up to this chapter it always felt like when it comes to big decisions for or against a Love interest, that I could make the decision. In this new chapter it's the first time that a big decision was forced on me and that left a bitter taste for me, especially on the Sage path which I enjoy the most.

After Zoey's confession, I don't have the choice to tell Sage about it or not. Instead I spend the night with her and might even tell her that MC loves her. I really enjoyed the scene of her telling that he loves her but it feels wrong that he did that after deciding to keep something so huge from Sage, especially with how Sage feels about Zoey.

The whole conflict that was build up when Sage met Neil and the conversation that MC and Sage had about ex girlfriends could have been resolved beautifully after Zoey made a move on MC.

Who else does it bother that we couldn't decide whether to tell the LI about what Zoey did or not?

IMO is this forced drama in the making. Because when Sage finds out what happened RIGHT before MC told her that he loved her, then this first ILY will have a very bad aftertaste.
 
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Who do you guys think the Episode 12 flashback opening will be about? So far we've gotten Maya/Josy, the DIKs, Rox/Buddy, Jill/Lana, Bella/James, Patrick/Helen, and now Lana/Jonathan.

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  • Sage: technically shows up in Episode 5's, but is not the focus. Could be about her childhood—what she remembers about her mom, going to the foster home, meeting Tyballs, getting adopted by the Burkes.​
  • Riona: after getting sidelined in Episode 11, this would be a way to have more time with her if she still doesn't come back to B&R anytime soon. We get brief glimpse of her mom and home, this could flesh that out. Maybe show her first meeting with Quinn?​
  • Bella: already got one, but would tie into whatever's in the locked room. Or maybe have it primarily about James instead.​
  • Quinn: technically got one already, plus the ermine story. But you could argue since Rox is the primary subject, she hasn't really had her own. Also we haven't actually seen her as a kid, just her hands.​
  • The nerds: Parallels the DIKs' opening, see things from their POV and give some explanation as to why Magnar wants to tear them down. Perhaps the DIK mansion was theirs at first, as has been suggested here before.​
  • Chad: weak suggestion, but we can see him meet Sage, get close to Troy, find out whatever is going on with him, Melanie and Sarah.​
  • Cinderella: Not a real suggestion, because I want to get to know her through actual interaction first. But I'd never say no to more Cinderella :love:
  • Lily: showcase her childhood as a chubby nerd with no friends, how she grows into the Lily we know and love.​
  • Zoey: she had an entire Interlude obviously, but idk. The option to return to her makes her super prominent.​
  • Nick: was in the DIKs one, but we can find out her was always a blabbermouth piece of trash.​
  • Derek: show how he loves to fingerpaint as a kid. And as an adult :KEK:
Okay I know a bunch of these are just "show their childhood" or "illustrate a backstory that's been talked about", but it’s just a jumping off point.
I could also see a flashback about Vinny and what led to him being kicked out of the DIK's.

What I would also like to see is a flashback about Tommy that shows why he became the way he is now because Tommy has some depth that isn't really explored yet.
 

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I love this game because up to this chapter it always felt like when it comes to big decisions for or against a Love interest, that I could make the decision. In this new chapter it's the first time that a big decision was forced on me and that left a bitter taste for me, especially on the Sage path which I enjoy the most.

After Zoey's confession, I don't have the choice to tell Sage about it or not. Instead I spend the night with her and might even tell her that MC loves her. I really enjoyed the scene of her telling that he loves her but it feels wrong that he did that after deciding to keep something so huge from Sage, especially with how Sage feels about Zoey.

The whole conflict that was build up when Sage met Neil and the conversation that MC and Sage had about ex girlfriends could have been resolved beautifully after Zoey made a move on MC.

Who else does it bother that we couldn't decide whether to tell the LI about what Zoey did or not?

IMO is this forced drama in the making. Because when Sage finds out what happened RIGHT before MC told her that he loved her, then this first ILY will have a very bad aftertaste.
I disagree. Telling Sage about the confession would have been a bad idea. And unless Zoey continues to pursue MC after being rejected, there's no harm in not telling Sage or any LI. I doubt Zoey is going to spill the beans. Telling them will create unnecessary drama. MC has shown that he wants Zoey in his life as a friend.

Telling his chosen LI that she confessed love for him is going to force him to choose between a friend he's known for years or a LI he has known for months. What woman is going to want Zoey around their partner after that kind of confession? And just because he rejected her because he's in a relationship, doesn't mean the same will be true if he's forced to choose between the two with different consequences. Shutting up is his best course of action. Best to see how Zoey reacts to being rejected first.
 

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I could also see a flashback about Vinny and what led to him being kicked out of the DIK's.

What I would also like to see is a flashback about Tommy that shows why he became the way he is now because Tommy has some depth that isn't really explored yet.
Vinny's a fucking cunt, idk if we need to see just how bad he was to warrant his exit. But Tommy perhaps.
I disagree. Telling Sage about the confession would have been a bad idea. And unless Zoey continues to pursue MC after being rejected, there's no harm in not telling Sage or any LI. I doubt Zoey is going to spill the beans. Telling them will create unnecessary drama. MC has shown that he wants Zoey in his life as a friend.

Telling his chosen LI that she confessed love for him is going to force him to choose between a friend he's known for years or a LI he has known for months. What woman is going to want Zoey around their partner after that kind of confession? And just because he rejected her because he's in a relationship, doesn't mean the same will be true if he's forced to choose between the two with different consequences. Shutting up is his best course of action. Best to see how Zoey reacts to being rejected first.
We see how guilty MC can be about Jade, and while this isn't the same thing, Sage 100% called it. Zoey wants MC back no mater what, and keeping this a secret will not help either of them. Telling her about Zoey before "I love you" would've been bad. But after that is the time to do it. He just needs to think about how to tell her, rather than blurt it out like he usually does. And that does involve cutting Zoey out of his life unfortunately.
 
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Who do you guys think the Episode 12 flashback opening will be about? So far we've gotten Maya/Josy, the DIKs, Rox/Buddy, Jill/Lana, Bella/James, Patrick/Helen, and now Lana/Jonathan.

Candidates
  • Sage: technically shows up in Episode 5's, but is not the focus. Could be about her childhood—what she remembers about her mom, going to the foster home, meeting Tyballs, getting adopted by the Burkes.​
  • Riona: after getting sidelined in Episode 11, this would be a way to have more time with her if she still doesn't come back to B&R anytime soon. We get brief glimpse of her mom and home, this could flesh that out. Maybe show her first meeting with Quinn?​
  • Bella: already got one, but would tie into whatever's in the locked room. Or maybe have it primarily about James instead.​
  • Quinn: technically got one already, plus the ermine story. But you could argue since Rox is the primary subject, she hasn't really had her own. Also we haven't actually seen her as a kid, just her hands.​
  • The nerds: Parallels the DIKs' opening, see things from their POV and give some explanation as to why Magnar wants to tear them down. Perhaps the DIK mansion was theirs at first, as has been suggested here before.​
  • Chad: weak suggestion, but we can see him meet Sage, get close to Troy, find out whatever is going on with him, Melanie and Sarah.​
  • Cinderella: Not a real suggestion, because I want to get to know her through actual interaction first. But I'd never say no to more Cinderella :love:
  • Lily: showcase her childhood as a chubby nerd with no friends, how she grows into the Lily we know and love.​
  • Zoey: she had an entire Interlude obviously, but idk. The option to return to her makes her super prominent.​
  • Nick: was in the DIKs one, but we can find out her was always a blabbermouth piece of trash.​
  • Derek: show how he loves to fingerpaint as a kid. And as an adult :KEK:
Okay I know a bunch of these are just "show their childhood" or "illustrate a backstory that's been talked about", but it’s just a jumping off point.
  • Maybe we'll find out definitively who "Priscilla" is...so a flashback of the start of the tuition scheme and restaurant.
  • A more recent flashback of where Mona went. Did she just go back home or did someone in the tuition scheme "take care of her?"
  • Lynnette's pregnancy, labor, and death since that won't be in her diary...but that might be more ep 13/14
  • Geoff and Maynard(?) discussing the mansion for sale, Geoff buying the mansion from "grandpa" (maybe we'll get a face) and the Royces moving into their new home.
  • Going off Sage's childhood, what if it's more from her mom's point of view? Flashback of an unknown woman trying to raise her daughter but ending up giving her up for whatever reasons.
  • Bella flashback explaining why she hates cheaters so much? Did James cheat? Was a relative a cheater? Was she cheated on by an earlier relationship before James?
  • Josy's parents' divorce and how it somehow contributed to her current identity crisis? More of her relationship with her mother or lack there of?
  • Madame Rose, origin story o_O
 
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We see how guilty MC can be about Jade, and while this isn't the same thing, Sage 100% called it. Zoey wants MC back no mater what, and keeping this a secret will not help either of them. Telling her about Zoey before "I love you" would've been bad. But after that is the time to do it. He just needs to think about how to tell her, rather than blurt it out like he usually does. And that does involve cutting Zoey out of his life unfortunately.
I don't want to get into the specifics of Sage having an issue with Zoey, but not having an issue with anyone else. Specifically because the rest of the LI's interest in the MC is not canon.

But MC told Zoey how he felt about their relationship prior to Zoey's confession. Had he not said anything, she most likely wouldn't have had the revelation that she had. So if he's confessing to his LI what Zoey said to him. He better start with what he told her at the BBQ.

And I doubt he'd feel comfortable cutting her out of his life completely. Especially considering she's going to be attending B&R in the spring. That's going to be unnecessary drama for any relationship he's in. It was one thing to mask his feelings while she was in San Diego. It's another to do the same when he's going to see her much more frequently.
 

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We see how guilty MC can be about Jade, and while this isn't the same thing, Sage 100% called it. Zoey wants MC back no mater what, and keeping this a secret will not help either of them. Telling her about Zoey before "I love you" would've been bad. But after that is the time to do it. He just needs to think about how to tell her, rather than blurt it out like he usually does. And that does involve cutting Zoey out of his life unfortunately.
I agree with that. The MC has feelings for Zoey that us players don't have. But after 3 episodes with Zoey, it's about time we were given control of MC to say, "I love Sage (or whoever)", and cut Zoey out of our life. Or have the control to say "I love Zoey" and follow that path.

I am hopeful that it is a step in that direction with the "I don't love her anymore" statement, but then we're forced to text her, when I would have preferred an option to just give her space for now.

And I do not want to keep this secret from Sage on my pure Sage path, I will be annoyed if we are not allowed to bring it up.
 

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I agree with that. The MC has feelings for Zoey that us players don't have. But after 3 episodes with Zoey, it's about time we were given control of MC to say, "I love Sage (or whoever)", and cut Zoey out of our life. Or have the control to say "I love Zoey" and follow that path.

I am hopeful that it is a step in that direction with the "I don't love her anymore" statement, but then we're forced to text her, when I would have preferred an option to just give her space for now.

And I do not want to keep this secret from Sage on my pure Sage path, I will be annoyed if we are not allowed to bring it up.
DPC can write any story he wants. But MC has known Zoey for years. And he's going to be attending B&R with her for 3 years at least. He has known Sage for a couple of months. She's going to graduate soon. Which means the amount of time he'll be able to spend with her is going to significantly reduce.

I'm not saying their relationship is doomed. But if overlayed in a real world scenario, their relationship would be doomed. She's going to be working in a professional capacity. This guy is officially the party planner for his fraternity. That's 3+ years of parties with attractive woman & no girlfriend.

Back to my original statement. DPC can do what he wants. It's a game, so any rosy outcome can be created if he chooses.
 

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After Rio, I can no longer dismiss shit like that as 100% not happening. Only 99.99% not happening. But I am very confident it won't be anything along those lines. On top of being fucking stupid, more than likely destroying Bella as a love interest, and just way too melodramatic—even for DPC—he'd have to be a top tier writer to both pull it off AND still salvage Bella as a character. And he definitely doesn't have the chops for something that big.
He has to do it in a way that doesn't disappoint people - if there's some insignificant little thing, people will be disappointed that we waited so many years for this? And at the same time, not ruin her character.
 

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I don't want to get into the specifics of Sage having an issue with Zoey, but not having an issue with anyone else. Specifically because the rest of the LI's interest in the MC is not canon.

But MC told Zoey how he felt about their relationship prior to Zoey's confession. Had he not said anything, she most likely wouldn't have had the revelation that she had. So if he's confessing to his LI what Zoey said to him. He better start with what he told her at the BBQ.

And I doubt he'd feel comfortable cutting her out of his life completely. Especially considering she's going to be attending B&R in the spring. That's going to be unnecessary drama for any relationship he's in. It was one thing to mask his feelings while she was in San Diego. It's another to do the same when he's going to see her much more frequently.
Potentially attend B&R (but she most definitely will), but a recurring theme of the game is that hiding the truth does no one any favors once it is revealed. The longer you wait to tell someone, the worse the fallout will be. Sage was very worried about Zoey, and MC hiding the fact her fears were justified will not serve MC well at all. Regardless of MC and Zoey's history, or MC and Sage's brief history, it comes down to this: Sage and MC can declare their love for each other. And if that happens, MC must do something about Zoey. Rehashing the whole "she's my oldest friend" argument is out the window at this point, Zoey does not want to remain only friends. The longer he drags it out, the more it looks to Sage that he is choosing Zoey over her, even if that's not how MC views it.
I agree with that. The MC has feelings for Zoey that us players don't have. But after 3 episodes with Zoey, it's about time we were given control of MC to say, "I love Sage (or whoever)", and cut Zoey out of our life. Or have the control to say "I love Zoey" and follow that path.

I am hopeful that it is a step in that direction with the "I don't love her anymore" statement, but then we're forced to text her, when I would have preferred an option to just give her space for now.

And I do not want to keep this secret from Sage on my pure Sage path, I will be annoyed if we are not allowed to bring it up.
I'll also be annoyed if we can't talk about it to Sage/our gf.
He has to do it in a way that doesn't disappoint people - if there's some insignificant little thing, people will be disappointed that we waited so many years for this? And at the same time, not ruin her character.
And I don't believe he can do it in a way that balances all of it. I fully expect it to be disappointing but overall harmless.
 

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I can see that happening, especially with a transition like that, DPC loves to be cinematic.
Too contrived.

Medical emergency where everyone's panicking. Basic behaviour would be for Bella to start screaming orders, not worrying about her skeletons, which would not be that big a deal to the two when your best friend / brother is dying a few feet behind you.
 

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Potentially attend B&R (but she most definitely will), but a recurring theme of the game is that hiding the truth does no one any favors once it is revealed. The longer you wait to tell someone, the worse the fallout will be. Sage was very worried about Zoey, and MC hiding the fact her fears were justified will not serve MC well at all. Regardless of MC and Zoey's history, or MC and Sage's brief history, it comes down to this: Sage and MC can declare their love for each other. And if that happens, MC must do something about Zoey. Rehashing the whole "she's my oldest friend" argument is out the window at this point, Zoey does not want to remain only friends. The longer he drags it out, the more it looks to Sage that he is choosing Zoey over her, even if that's not how MC views it.
Honesty is usually the best policy. And MC has shown to not be very good at keeping secrets (sometimes) because of his conscience. Sage is going to graduate in the spring. Roughly the same time Zoey is going to start attending B&R. Sage has shown a tendency to be jealous.

I understand people's thoughts that the "I love you" confession is some kind of marriage proposal. But it is not. Sage is going to be away from B&R exactly like she explained her former HOT sisters are, & MC is going to attend B&R for another 3 years after she is gone.

What good would telling her what Zoey said to him do to what is going to amount to be a long distance relationship? If MC wasn't in a frat, I can see their relationship being able to overcome this. But he lives on campus & attends school full time.

If she felt some kind of way about their relationship before knowing the confession, she is going to feel way worse afterwards. Especially knowing they'll be attending school together for 3 years.
 

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I love this game because up to this chapter it always felt like when it comes to big decisions for or against a Love interest, that I could make the decision. In this new chapter it's the first time that a big decision was forced on me and that left a bitter taste for me, especially on the Sage path which I enjoy the most.

After Zoey's confession, I don't have the choice to tell Sage about it or not. Instead I spend the night with her and might even tell her that MC loves her. I really enjoyed the scene of her telling that he loves her but it feels wrong that he did that after deciding to keep something so huge from Sage, especially with how Sage feels about Zoey.

The whole conflict that was build up when Sage met Neil and the conversation that MC and Sage had about ex girlfriends could have been resolved beautifully after Zoey made a move on MC.

Who else does it bother that we couldn't decide whether to tell the LI about what Zoey did or not?

IMO is this forced drama in the making. Because when Sage finds out what happened RIGHT before MC told her that he loved her, then this first ILY will have a very bad aftertaste.
What's the conflict? I don't think Sage cares. Perhaps to share a story? Her opinion of Zoey meeting you was expressed previously, and then resolved over the phone; the MC was already Sage's boyfriend. She was concerned because she didn't trust Zoey, not the MC. To her it's just two friends talking, as her concern about her "knowing how to push his buttons" amounted to nothing.

*MC: "Zoey said she loved me, and I turned her down."
*Sage: "Obviously!"
MC: "I love you."

* = unnecessary

It's the MC's prerogative to tell Sage how he felt, whenever, which has nothing to do with Zoey.

Remember, Sage is going from the "Other's Queen" (Sage: "I wanna have threesomes!") to something resembling monogamy, though that's not entirely clear if she won't keep wanting that, considering her interest as seen in the time skip montage.

Just think about all the women MC attracts. Does Sage care that they profess their love to him? She trusts him. The only thing she'd care about is if she knows them and potentially wanted a threesome with them.
 
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Honesty is usually the best policy. And MC has shown to not be very good at keeping secrets (sometimes) because of his conscience. Sage is going to graduate in the spring. Roughly the same time Zoey is going to start attending B&R. Sage has shown a tendency to be jealous.

I understand people's thoughts that the "I love you" confession is some kind of marriage proposal. But it is not. Sage is going to be away from B&R exactly like she explained her former HOT sisters are, & MC is going to attend B&R for another 3 years after she is gone.

What good would telling her what Zoey said to him do to what is going to amount to be a long distance relationship? If MC wasn't in a frat, I can see their relationship being able to overcome this. But he lives on campus & attends school full time.

If she felt some kind of way about their relationship before knowing the confession, she is going to feel way worse afterwards. Especially knowing they'll be attending school together for 3 years.
See, you're looking at it through a really cynical lens, like there's no point in telling Sage anything she deserves to know because "oh they'll probably break up after she graduates".
I'm not saying their relationship is doomed. But if overlayed in a real world scenario, their relationship would be doomed. She's going to be working in a professional capacity. This guy is officially the party planner for his fraternity. That's 3+ years of parties with attractive woman & no girlfriend.
Like this, you make it sounds like MC should just fuck around while Sage is at work because there's no chance he'd get caught with her away, or he should dump Sage so he won't be starved of pussy for long stretches of time. Long distance relationships are hard, I won't deny that. But A) it might not be long distance, B) MC already knows what it was like and try to avoid the same pitfalls, C) MC and Sage are on the same page, unlike MC and Zoey a year ago. They want this to work, a family can be in the cards for them, but weighing the benefits of telling the truth about an ex wanting to get back together versus expecting the relationship to fail from the start like some business deal is not the way to go about it.
 
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