Well, without a doubt, almost everyone already knows that he is as active and responsive as a chocolate bar in the direct midday sun... in the Summer
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Just like in real life with "influencers" and other douches who don't deserve their wealth. Fans form emotional connections with creators, sometimes to the point of defending them no matter what. They feel like they “know” the creator personally and trust them, even when evidence suggests they’re being misled.
Some backers convince themselves that delays or broken promises are temporary. If they’ve already given money, they might not want to admit they were scammed and keep funding in hopes things will improve.
Creators know how to spin delays and failures, making themselves look like victims of circumstances rather than scammers. “This project is so ambitious,” “life got in the way,” or “I’m working hard, trust me bro” are common excuses that keep people invested.
Estás a substimar o poder de encaixe de alguns...
# You're a bit off track... People are very aware how things work (or don't work) with zip by now. Still, hard core fans will support him as long as there's an illusion of a game being developed... It's just like that, a personal choice, for better or worse.
You think they shouldn't do it, I think they shouldn't do it (it's stupid and counterproductive) but at the end of the day it's their money, their call. Not our problem.
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How am I off track. You’re basically just rewording what I said but acting like you’re correcting me. I already explained why people keep supporting him—emotional attachment, sunk cost fallacy, and manipulation.
And that ‘it’s their money, their call’ attitude is exactly why we have so many low-effort games.These games are mocked on Steam because they flood the store with low-effort cash grabs that bring nothing new to the table. People do feel like it devalues Steam as a platform, because when anyone can slap together an asset-flipped game with no effort and still make money, it makes it harder for genuinely good projects to stand out. Supporting low-effort devs doesn’t just waste money, it lowers the overall quality of the industry.
Hey look a new game with the same Daz models, "landlady" storyline, ...yawn.....
Vou ser mais claro.
# Let me be clear then: 2nd post I agree, the 1st one I replied to I don't.
I agree about the consequences of supporting all this dragging (2nd) - I was always vocal about it - but I don't care nor agree about the psychology behind it (1st). I really don't know what makes them do that and I couldn't care less. But one thing I know: people aren't stupid, gullible or naive. People know very well what's happening but choose to do it anyway. Their money, their choice. That's it.
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I guess youre right! And ChatGPT agrees with you:
"It makes a lot of sense. The explanation touches on several psychological and behavioral aspects that really influence how people deal with unfulfilled promises, especially in contexts like crowdfunding or when it comes to charismatic figures on the internet.
First, the idea that people become emotionally connected to creators is a key factor. This bond creates a sort of loyalty, which can make it difficult for fans to recognize they've been misled. It's a common phenomenon when fans feel that their identity is somehow tied to the success of the creator or project. When someone feels personally invested in something, it's harder to admit they've been deceived, so they end up rationalizing the mistakes and delays, hoping things will improve.
Additionally, creators' ability to position themselves as victims is a very common tactic. By turning failures into "unforeseen difficulties," they generate empathy, making supporters feel like they're helping someone in a tough time, instead of seeing the creator as someone who hasn't kept their promises. This extends people's engagement, even when the reality of the project no longer matches expectations.
This dynamic is also quite visible on crowdfunding platforms like Kickstarter or Patreon, where fans want to support something innovative and are willing to give creators the benefit of the doubt, often ignoring warning signs.
The phenomenon is indeed a mix of social psychology and economic behavior. Once people have invested time, money, or emotion, they often continue to support because they don’t want to acknowledge the mistake, or as you said, they want to believe the creator’s good intentions will prevail.
So yes, the explanation makes a lot of sense and reflects a pattern that frequently occurs in these kinds of projects".
E o deepSeek o que diz...?
# What's with this armchair psychology? Sure, he may be right... ChatGPT says so...
Let's ask deepSeek too... No point. Who cares... Supporters are grown people who have been through all this as we did, and against all odds keep doing it. I'd like them to stop just to see what'd happen to the game. Other than that, it's their choice, their money. None of my business.
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As I can see Zip was online here yesterday so I supose that big problem with the cut of energy because that apocalypse he was living casually "the day before" of the release, is out now.
So he could at least try to lie us again telling that he has been working with 3 million new renders and the next update will be in next month, just for at least say something again and stop hidding letting the time pass...
So he could at least try to lie us again telling that he has been working with 3 million new renders and the next update will be in next month, just for at least say something again and stop hidding letting the time pass...
And about the active subs. The only I can think about why they are still paying him is that Zip is really giving them some updates of the game (maybe inside a private discord server, Idk) or that they are no active and just forgot that they have an active subscription there.
of course he work at new renders, he need to change to 8K now...
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E o deepSeek o que diz...?
# What's with this armchair psychology? Sure, he may be right... ChatGPT says so...
With all due respect, what you say has less legitimacy than what ChatGPT says. Because what ChatGPT says is supported by valid arguments and you can even ask for sources from experts on the subject. Furthermore, if you are an intelligent person, you will be able to analyze whether his argument is valid or not. In the same way that I analyze that your argument is flawed! Because you yourself said that you DON'T KNOW the reason and said that you don't even care about looking for an explanation. In other words, your argument is much shallower and more useless than the one given by Xenakiss and ChatGPT and I agree with both of them, because I myself have studied psychology and the knowledge I have about human behavior makes their explanation very valid.
It seems to me that you're arguing for the sake of arguing and not to offer a counterargument. For example, you said "What's with this armchair psychology?", but you didn't offer any better psychology to support your criticism. You end up wasting your time and other people's time.
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Vocês têm falta de percebas... A minha questão é: para quê a psicologia barata num assunto que não nos diz respeito?
# Sometimes I think my english is so bad it looks chinese to some of you.
All I said was: what's the point of dwelling on the psychology of a behavior that is none of our business?
But "you didn't offer any better psychology to support your criticism" - that's the point: no psychology lectures plz... Irrelevant and fallacious...
Is it breaking game production? Let's talk about it (consequences of such choice, how it affects us).
The supporters must have mental issues? What?! Seriously?! Even if so, who cares...? Why is this even a topic? Pure nonsense...
Moving on...
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voce esqueceu que eu falo portugues tambem cara!
1- "All I said was: what's the point of dwelling on the psychology of a behavior that is none of our business?"
Voce disse apenas isso pra mim? Nao! Eu comentei um comentario do XenaKiss , dizendo q eu concordava com ele. e voce por alguma razao quis comentar o meu e o fez me rridicularizando por eu dizer que ate o Chatgpt concordava.
Did you just say that to me? No! I commented on a XenaKiss comment, saying that I agreed with him. And for some reason you wanted to comment on mine and you did it by ridiculing me for saying that even Chatgpt agreed.
2- "But "you didn't offer any better psychology to support your criticism" - that's the point: no psychology lectures plz... Irrelevant and fallacious..."
A questao é que voce nao tem NENHUMA base em estudo em psicologia pra classificar o que eu falei como psicologia barata. Ou seja, voce discute por discutir sem embasar o porque ela é uma psicologia falaciosa. E nao é VOCE que vai decidir o que é relevante ou nao pras pessoas cara! Se o cara se interessa em analisar o comportamento dos desenvolvedores e apoiadores, nao cabe a voce dizer que isso é irrelevante pra ele.
THE POINT is that you have NO basis in psychology studies to classify what I said as cheap psychology. In other words, you argue for the sake of arguing without justifying why it is fallacious psychology.And it's not YOU who's going to decide what's relevant or not for people, man! If the guy is interested in analyzing the behavior of developers and supporters, it's not up to you to say that it's irrelevant to him.
And no one said that supporters must have mental issues. It seems like you didn't even want to understand the guy's point. Anyway, let's MOVE ON, but stop with this foolish habit of wanting to argue or disagree for no reason, since you're not even interested in the topic he raised.
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Precisamos é que faças o teu jogo...
# We need you to bring the good stuff
I'm still learning how to do things. Even this little animation is useful for that. Because I didn't even know how to introduce animations into the game and how to keep them on the screen with dialogue happening over them. But I don't have a schedule. I'm working on 3 scenes at the same time. Not just the knot scene. Because when I have an idea to continue the others I start working on them. I already have a piece of script for 3 scenes: the knot scene in the living room, Lucy's spanking scene in the living room and Lucy's tanning scene in the backyard.
Some test drafts (I still have a lot of things to fix)::
Trecho da cena: The Sunscreen
(Lucy is lying on a lounge chair, enjoying the sun. Bob walks up, holding something in his hand.)
Bob: "Guess what I got?"
Lucy: (lucy closed eyes) “Let me guess... Another way to waste my time?”
Bob: "Hilarious. Try again."
Lucy: "Nah, I don’t care. Just say it so you can leave."
Bob: "Alright. How about this?" (He shakes a bottle of sunscreen in front of her.)
(Lucy open eyes to look, then reaches out her hand.)
Lucy: "Took you long enough. Gimme."
Bob: (Pulls it away.) "Not so fast."
Lucy: (Sighs, already annoyed) "Of course there’s a catch."
Bob: "I’m putting it on you."
Lucy: "What the hell?! No fucking way!!"
Bob: "It’s just sunscreen, Lucy. Relax."
Lucy: "Relax my ass. You’re my little brother, not my boyfriend."
Bob: "So what? It’s just your back. What’s the big deal? You can’t even do it properly yourself."
Lucy: "I’ll manage."
(to be continued)