RPGM Abandoned Bones' Tales: The Manor [v0.20.0a] [Dr Bones]

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fotogaik

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melakuu said:
I just realized how I wish to know how to do as you did and do small quotes on my message to make the message more organized, so bear with me lol

In a perfect situation, Patreon or whatever crowdfunding service, would moderate projects. But how? Some people start a crowdfunding to back up an engineering project. Some people start crowdfunding to bankroll a book or a comic book. Some people do it to bankroll a game. So there is no metric to define a reasonable amount of time to deliver a product. It would be amazing if they did, but it's almost impossible. And let's be real here, they don't care as long people are still giving money to them.

What I think is a way more realistic approach is, for the patrons themselves, stop funding those projects and be aware of this practice. So in the future, devs would know that if they want to be paid, they need to work hard.
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Patreon should definitely take a more proactive approach. There are creators who have not logged into the site for months on end and they still allow them to receive money. At the very least, to weed out the worst offenders, Patreon should:
1. Add mandatory tags like "main content", "fixes", "news/updates" and "side content". Main content is the one that matters. Patrons should be able to easily vote that posts tagged "main content" are not a true release, and if enough people vote, it's automatically marked as side content.
2. With that in place: Display a warning if a developer has not released main content for more than 2 months.
3. Automatically suspend payments if the creator:
- has not released main content for more than 6? 12? months
- has not logged into the site for more than one month and has not marked his account as being on vacation
- has not collected payments for more than two months

This is just an outline of an idea and just a starting point, but it could be refined over time.

About the "literally being abandoned", yes, I was referring to F95, which I assume is one of the largest forums(if not THE largest) for adult games.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say most patrons are not on these forums and most people active here are not supporting creators on Patreon.

In the end, is up to the people rewarding bad behaviour. Although I've read someone mention in this thread, about people paying like $1 and then forgetting about it and paying for it forever. This makes a lot of sense, I also paid for stuff monthly that I never used and forgot about it and kept paying.
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That's down on Paypal. Paypal enables this behavior because you renew your credit card with them only when it expires. If you had to renew your card details with all recipients, it would suddenly be a chore and people would naturally review all their subscriptions at least once every five years.
 
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fotogaik said:
Patreon should definitely take a more proactive approach.
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they will never. not in a million years. they're also profiting from it. they'll lose maybe millions if they do that. business is business, money is money, greed is greed. that's much about it.

also, to add to the note that's one of the reasons why most creators from online platforms like to work online. they get paid even without doing anything and will not hold accountable for it.
 
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They totally can and they are running a huge compliance risk if they don't. They shut down Palmer's patreon the instant they found out he passed away and wouldn't be open to discussing any transfer of rights to Love Joint.

The compliance risk is that they are taking money from people and transferring it to an entity that might not exist (whether deceased or dissolved), which gives time for hackers to gain access to such accounts. So at the very least, they should be able to block transfers to inactive accounts, regardless of whether they have active patrons or not.
On the same note, they should be required by compliance to investigate patron accounts that show no site activity for a long time and suspend them.

It's that or they risk problems in the future.
 
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so uh... Apparently, ever since I made that luclie AI bot as a troll, bones ended up making a separate channel in the discord server for AI bots for the game... and I'm the reason why it exists. :BootyTime:
 
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fotogaik said:
Patreon should definitely take a more proactive approach. There are creators who have not logged into the site for months on end and they still allow them to receive money. At the very least, to weed out the worst offenders, Patreon should:
1. Add mandatory tags like "main content", "fixes", "news/updates" and "side content". Main content is the one that matters. Patrons should be able to easily vote that posts tagged "main content" are not a true release, and if enough people vote, it's automatically marked as side content.
2. With that in place: Display a warning if a developer has not released main content for more than 2 months.
3. Automatically suspend payments if the creator:
- has not released main content for more than 6? 12? months
- has not logged into the site for more than one month and has not marked his account as being on vacation
- has not collected payments for more than two months

This is just an outline of an idea and just a starting point, but it could be refined over time.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say most patrons are not on these forums and most people active here are not supporting creators on Patreon.


That's down on Paypal. Paypal enables this behavior because you renew your credit card with them only when it expires. If you had to renew your card details with all recipients, it would suddenly be a chore and people would naturally review all their subscriptions at least once every five years.
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I like your ideas, they could definitely use some of them to at least, as you said yourself, weed out this kind of content. Although, some projects can't deliver anything if they are not ready. For example, if I decide to crowdfund a new ergonomic chair, I can't provide content until the chair is ready. But in general, I agree 100% with you.

Let me put a tinfoil hat before I start this sentence, they don't want neither they will do any of that. They don't actually care if people are not delivering, they just want the cash. If people start to sue Patron(which I assume they probably can't), then they would make some drastic changes.

I'll be honest, most of the games that are super famous inside the genre, I would never know about if not by this forum. But I can't say for sure for people who actively search for projects to crowdfund.

I never heard about a service with a renewal option, that I had to actively renew it monthly. Even though I agree with you, this is not very practical or convenient for the customer. Also, it's the same deal as Patron. They don't care as long as the cash is flowing.
 
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melakuu said:
I like your ideas, they could definitely use some of them to at least, as you said yourself, weed out this kind of content. Although, some projects can't deliver anything if they are not ready. For example, if I decide to crowdfund a new ergonomic chair, I can't provide content until the chair is ready. But in general, I agree 100% with you.
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Thanks.
As for crowdfunding a product, Patreon is not the right platform for that. You'd use Kickstarter or Indiegogo for that. If it was on Patreon, the engineer making that new chair would provide updates where there are new details, new blueprints, new pictures, as main content, and if that got reported/flagged, Patreon would reach out to that creator's patrons to ask if that's correct.

Let me put a tinfoil hat before I start this sentence, they don't want neither they will do any of that. They don't actually care if people are not delivering, they just want the cash. If people start to sue Patron(which I assume they probably can't), then they would make some drastic changes.
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Which is why I mentioned that patronage is a different concept from buying a game outright, or even from crowdfunding a specific product.

But policy change is one lawsuit away. It's just enough that they don't meet some compliance criteria and they can be hit for a lot of money.

But that definitely won't happen because of a creator that's simply taking advantage of the exact funding model that Patreon enabled, regardless of how much we might hate it.

I'll be honest, most of the games that are super famous inside the genre, I would never know about if not by this forum. But I can't say for sure for people who actively search for projects to crowdfund.

I never heard about a service with a renewal option, that I had to actively renew it monthly. Even though I agree with you, this is not very practical or convenient for the customer. Also, it's the same deal as Patron. They don't care as long as the cash is flowing.
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Not necessarily monthly renewals, just a reminder every few months to review your creators and easily disable payments to some of them. I found it to be a headache with most such services because every time I changed pledge value or canceled a pledge, I had to approve all the remaining ones. I've no idea what I'd done wrong, but that's how it went.
 
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KvotheMM said:
thank you, milord. Would you tell me which one is
NOT A REPORT + VERA'S LAUNDRY EVENT TEASER

KIND OF A REPORT + LUCILE TEASER
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The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated



Please, it is for homework
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These are all Vera's Laundry event teasers, except for the first pic, it's just some alternative art.

These are the Lucile teasers
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The "report of my death..." is an alternative art as well
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Ayam85 said:
The next update will focus on dog and horse. Expect more NTR from them.
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I'm such a fucking degenerate why did I get a bedrock-hard boner from reading this? Maybe the delays can be forgiven. The horse ntr better be masterfully drawn.

Edit: Just a request make sure to post the ntr teasers so i don't want my time re-downloading the game. Thanks in advance.
 
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GigaCocka69 said:
I'm such a fucking degenerate why did I get a bedrock-hard boner from reading this? Maybe the delays can be forgiven. The horse ntr better be masterfully drawn.

Edit: Just a request make sure to post the ntr teasers so i don't want my time re-downloading the game. Thanks in advance.
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