VN Ren'Py Abandoned Come Inside [v0.2.1] [ttll]

[Duriel]

the "he's a perfectionist" nonsense, just doesn't cut it anymore. At some point the goods need to be delivered. I swear, if this debacle isn't proof that no matter how talented, some people just aren't cut out to make games, then I don't know what is.

Being perfectionist is often seen as an actual burden rather than a trait, even on productive people if they can barely work around it.

Being talented is utterly useless if you give in to laziness, although very talented people could manage to achieve the work of others in a fraction of their time, 0 times 0 always equals 0 afterall.

But I am even more saddened that he is trying to satisfying expectations, which is the worst possible reasoning to me than the aforementioned, he is only fueling already unrealistic expectations even more by doing so, and somewhat implying that he is not actually in charge of his project, but his patreons are, if he can't feel free to release what HE wants because it would defy expectations.

 

[yet123]

He really should just remove the side characters, they're a waste of development time, nobody gives a shit about them, just focus on Lora, the rest are trash and a waste of time.

 

[Nubian king]

No need to bash him at least he is being honest, his problem seems that he aimed too high for this update should have stuck to his old render amount 2-300, I guess new powerful hardware allowed him to experiment further beyond his capacity.

 

[Helmeted Smith]

He really should just remove the side characters, they're a waste of development time, nobody gives a shit about them, just focus on Lora, the rest are trash and a waste of time.

HEY! Leave ma' panda alone!


She's not trash!

 

[Kakato]

Just a remark. Hope this thread won't become the new eldorado for Devs who wants to bash another Dev. Just saying... I won't defend him either, buts Devs should be careful. What's happening here might happen to your threads in the future.

 

[Duriel]

Just a remark. Hope this thread won't become the new eldorado for Devs who wants to bash another Dev. Just saying... I won't defend him either, buts Devs should be careful. What's happening here might happen to your threads in the future.

Indeed, there is no telling when greed and laziness (or both combined) could take over a dev.

At least here we are witnessing someone taking the blame for his own actions compared to other exhilarant examples, and although it could be deliberate on his part to milk as much as possible by getting patrons to sympathize, I like to think that he has serious problems setting up a consistent pipeline and struggling between his own perfectionism and other's expectations.

Which is unfortunate and leaves little window to actually gain or regain credibility, which ultimately means that he had to take only steps forward from last update onward (so already a step late).

 

[Арей127]

I'm starting to add more scenes, it takes more time again and so on...
so I decided to work on it more...

so dev delays update because he works on it NON STOP add add and add new content...
if it's true the 0.3 should be 600-1000 new renders and GREAT story but we all know truth it was just february bla bla srtory
(how i told at the begining of the month)

 

[Kakato]

Just to let you know, I am here as a fanboy. I started commenting because... I've played the game recently and I fucking loved it!
Here's proof:

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I believe in the dev.
And personally, I am willing to wait as long as it takes, because I think he's building something great and special.

I said " Devs " in my previous post = plural. Though I liked the post of the other Dev in the previous page, I really hope that " other devs" don't get dragged into a sort of " Witch Hunt ". That was the only purpose of my message.

I also spoke to him in private, but promised to keep the content of our conversation secret. That was his request and I kept my word. However, I always do my best to stay objective in the main thread.

 

[OdinValgallovih]

I believe in the dev.
And personally, I am willing to wait as long as it takes, because I think he's building something great and special.

Don't forget to support ICSTOR and Gumdrop!

 

[Helmeted Smith]

I said " Devs " in my previous post = plural. Though I liked the post of the other Dev in the previous page, I really hope that " other devs" don't get dragged into a sort of " Witch Hunt ". That was the only purpose of my message.

I also spoke to him in private, but promised to keep the content of our conversation secret. That was his request and I kept my word. However, I always do my best to stay objective in the main thread.

I understood the message. I just wanted to clear my name.

Regarding my screenshot...
I see a lot of people discussing. "He should've done x amount of renders or he should be focusing on this or on that"
I am telling you, the rendering part is the easiest part of the workflow. Adding the context and the story surounding those renders is the hardest thing.

Writers spend years building a novel, and there are only words on paper. Now imagine having to build visuals around that + coding.
I think this story is one of the best on the site, and I shared the conversation only to let others know that they're reasons why the development takes this much time (also it doesn't spoil anything, it just adds more depth to an already great VN).
And one of the reasons is that he's creating a masterpiece. The renders are just icing on the cake.
There's depth to this story and I am big fan. This is not just a "milf + boy wincest gotcha story"
This is my opinion and personal belief.

 

[Kakato]

I understood the message. I just wanted to clear my name.

Regarding my screenshot.
I see a lot of people discussing. "He should've done x amount of renders or he should be focusing focusing on this or on that"
I am telling you, the rendering part is the easiest part of the workflow. Adding the context and the story to those renders is the hardest thing.

Writers spend years building a novel, and there are only words on paper. Now imagine having to build visuals around that + coding.
I think the story is one of the best on the site, and I shared the conversation only to let others know that they're reasons why the development takes this much time (also it doesn't spoil anything, it just adds more depth to an already great VN)
And one of the reasons is that he's creating a masterpiece and the renders are just icing on the cake.
There's depth to this story and I am big fan. This is not just a "milf + boy wincest gotcha story"
This is my opinion and personal belief.

Truth be told, from what I noticed, he's got some kind of " fragile " personality. He lacks confidence in himself, but he shouldn't. How many Devs here can make renders of this quality ? I know he's reading or will read our comments at some time. So, tll, if you're reading this, stop doubting yourself and accept the constructive criticisms which will make you grow.

He must find the perfect balance between " perfectionism " and " workload ". As a matter of fact, we have a few Devs like him, the first one coming to my head, being Psychodelusional. The only difference is that the latter plays the silent card. Ttll, on his side, clumsy or not, says what he feels and communicates. The biggest source of frustration in this case is his obsession with perfectionism. This is becoming a real problem.

Most of the guys here are understanding and few bashes at him. We were patient and I bet some of us are still patient secretly. But, there's a time you must deliver. Don't count us in (pirates), but for his patreons, for their respect, their trust, he should find a quick solution to find the perfect balance and release more regular updates. Even if it's 3 updates per year, ppl won't complain as long as those updates are loaded. I don't know how much he's making atm, but he should seek for someone's help to speed up production.

 

[Helmeted Smith]

god damn look at these simps no wonder this dev is pissing on everybody....

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[Abhai]

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Please, just ignore that trolling cunt, till date he had 150+ insta facepalming/trolling accounts deleted, this one will be deleted soon, so better to not mind anything that creature does around here.
Even if not for trolling-names of those accounts (milking, cunts, etc) it is fairly easy to separate those from "normal" posts by its content

 

[Sorrow85]

Someone has never get laid.

 

[Sorrow85]

I believe in the dev.

So do I and that's why I want to support him.

If life has taught me something, that negative thoughts doesn’t make good things happen.

 

[Avaron1974]

So do I and that's why I want to support him.

If life has taught me something, that negative thoughts doesn’t make good things happen.

Good will only goes so far hun.

I've seen more than 1 dev and their supporters claim this "perfectionist" malarky yet without any actual goods being delivered and with the amount of times this happens it's perfectly understandable when people call bullshit.

This is my third year on this site and all the time I spent on other sites before this and seeing delays, excuses, abandonments etc... time after time has made me a bit cynical.

Now we have this dev and his claims to being a perfectionist and constantly wanting to add more content .... if he backs those claims up i'll be the first to sing his praises and eat my words here however i'm incredibly doubtful.

Tis type of thing happens far too often and as the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words. There hasn't been enough updates on this for the dev to have a proven track record. It was barely getting started before the year of excuses started.

Look at it from people that aren't fans of the dev. All they have to go on is someone saying "well i'm a perfectionist and keep adding content" and it looks like a BS excuse. They would also be expecting at the very minimum a couple of thousand renders and at least a couple of hours content when it does come out.

For this kind of delay and that very excuse I reckon some people will be expecting a COBD and BADIK size update.

I'll have faith in the dev if he backs up his talk.

 

[AchedCroissant]

WTF?

 

[Xumeey]

Just imagine creating multiple accounts just to facepalm someone? If only facepalming was hurtful.

 

[Zolkane]

remember guys....its was create in 2019 and we got 2 update.....LOL

 

[Avaron1974]

remember guys....its was create in 2019 and we got 2 update.....LOL

That's why people lost faith.

The dev didn't do enough to win everyone over and now it's just excuses and the whole "i'm a perfectionist" thing just doesn't wash anymore.

In fact, going through the thread, there seems to be only 1 person still believing that.