GokutheG

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From what content i've consumed, what i also feel like a lot of the npcs in CoC2 lack, is romantic chemistry with the pc. Only Brienne and Kasyrra really feel like they have actual romantic feelings for the pc. Which is quite ironic since Kasyrra has been described as incapable of feeling real love.
Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
 
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Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
I think part of the problem with any sort of "romance" in CoC 2 is that they all feel detached because your character has no real hub/home. Outside of the companions (of which you are still only allowed 2) you don't really have much contact with the other characters unless you go out of your way to cross the RNG landscape to interact with them in their isolated locations. The camp in CoC 1 had a homey feel and gave you a way to interact with characters on a frequent basis.
 

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Ryn, the centaur and horse princess that the mc can marry also feel like they have romantic chemistry. Kas does feel like she's the main romance despite being the supposed big bad.
Speaking of centaurs, that for some reason reminded me. Not to put any bad juju in the air. But I was surprised nobody tried to cuck us with Ahmri. I remember when you marry her and ask the father for permission. He says something along the lines of.... uh. Like they have an open society or something. She won't get jealous of us if we have others. And to give her the same grace if she found someone else, however unlikely.

And it just felt... odd. Like a forewarning of some fuck shit. I'm guessing they forgot about her? Or she wasn't popular enough for them to target? Or her creator said negative? Because they gave themselves an in, but strangely didn't take it.
 

Jbuster

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Thinking about it, how does Brienne not have a dick yet? You'd think that'd be the first thing they'd write for her.
They should do that for a corrupted route, given that Brianne's whole dead is loving the champion and pumping babies over and over again (we don't go out anymore cause she's always preggo), then her corrupted version would try to outbreed the champion with her own demonschlong in a twisted/maniac expression of corrupted love
 

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Speaking of centaurs, that for some reason reminded me. Not to put any bad juju in the air. But I was surprised nobody tried to cuck us with Ahmri. I remember when you marry her and ask the father for permission. He says something along the lines of.... uh. Like they have an open society or something. She won't get jealous of us if we have others. And to give her the same grace if she found someone else, however unlikely.

And it just felt... odd. Like a forewarning of some fuck shit. I'm guessing they forgot about her? Or she wasn't popular enough for them to target? Or her creator said negative? Because they gave themselves an in, but strangely didn't take it.
Her creator wrote that.

And honestly that's not unique. EVERY marriage is an open marriage. Sanders mentions that's its in the culture. Kiyoko says the same thing, Brienne and the cow wives mention it.

It's just lip service.
 
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ChubbyFatBoy

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You know, I think the main focal difference between CoC 1 and 2 is that CoC1 felt like an adventure centered around YOU the PC and you were discovering this new world and had relationships/friendships with characters centered around what YOU wanted to do and the NPCs acted as fun storytelling props that reacted to your decisions. Corruption actually mattered and your goal was always to make it to the Demon Queen.

In CoC2 you are just kind of there as a character with no real goal, and you end up going along with the NPC stories. The problem being, that there is so much "muh OC" going on that it feels like the companion stories never really end. I remember and like Jojo, Amily, Ceraph, Isabella, Izuma, Sophia, Valeria, Shouldra, and all the rest of the camp buddies because they were succinct and relatable. Everyone in CoC 2 is written like Kiha or Urta, which gets very old if you don't really like the character, and they are being insisted upon you.
I agree and I've said it a few times. In CoC2, you feel interchangeable. Like if you weren't there to go on this adventure. Someone else would eventually do it. Which if I'm being honest. Isn't necessarily a terrible thing. Just depends on ones outlook and expectations. In this game you are average joe. Who happened to be at the right place at the right time. It's not that only you could do it. You just happened to get there 1st.

In CoC1, as I adventured around and did things. I didn't feel like the perfect savior. But while playing, never did I feel replaceable. Yea they would send someone else if you failed. But that new person probably ain't making it long. If you don't do it, it will never get done. This is your job, this is your story, struggle and get it done.

In CoC2? Blindfold yourself, spin around until dizzy, and point to a random OC. Then ask yourself. Could they possibly do it if you didn't? Would it take any effort for a writer. To replace you with them? And the answer is kinda obvious. It's like you sometimes compete for who is actually at center stage. Shadow boxing the writers through NPCs.

And again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Average joe rising up the ranks is standard fare. It's just this game can sometimes get iffy with it. In CoC1, if the player dies. Game pretty much is done. CoC2, if the player dies. You would absolutely get replaced with a self insert. Who is probably going to do a much better job then you ever could.
 

Jbuster

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Might actually be the worst bad ending in the game tbh. The champion gets replaced and it is forced to join a TObs OC harem.
Taothians vindicated (They were trying to save plant based Kinu from a shitty OC and more art commissioned by Tobs)

Now they just need to send one of them to protect the champion from that awful ending by getting banned from Skynet the fenoxo forums

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armyman654

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That's actually one of shitsune bad endings. One where champ gets turned into Nakano's slave-wife. He goes and beats Tollus&Co without much trouble, while champ bears his kids.
Wait it's actually canon that one of the side characters can actually do better at being champ than you? Than why isnt he out there fightning already?
 
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K1ng_C00mer

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Well, there's no stakes in CoC II. It's been said a million and one times already, but what the hell is Kas doing that's any worse than everything else in Savarra!? Tollus and the cult are all natives from Savarra, so it's not Kas who was calling the shots with regards to them. I won't event touch on how fucking stupid Tollus's backstory is in Gweyr's quest. You could say she's fucking with portals and could pull in Wraiths, but I feel that's a weak argument given the "gods" of this world and the fact that they all showed up randomly one day, so you know, if Wraiths could rain from the sky at any given moment, who cares!? Kas screwing with people's souls is again a nothingburger. We have a race that literally lack souls, and they seem normal enough, apparently the gods are all happy to watch her experimenting on people too.

The demons we meet aren't even that different or bad compared to other NPCs. In CoC I, every demon you encounter was a threat, or at least, someone you had to keep your guard up. Whether it was Ceraph or Vapula who you could enslave and were terrorizing certain locations. The demons at the factory that were pumping shit into the water of the lake. Zetaz who clearly was a bad guy. For all I hear Savin and Co complaining about Lethice being a bad villian, she at least felt like a villian. They all posed a real threat to the remaining few who weren't corrupted.

It also showed exactly how corruption changes a person and makes them willing to set aside their morals. It wasn't just a switch to make someone dress in goth style and act kinky, it felt like a tangible, irreversable change to someone's personality.

Having a story where someone comes from nothing works when that someone shows a tangible growth. Power wise, do we feel any different from day one? I know in CoC I, we start out alone and practically defenseless in an alien world that's on the brink of falling. By the time you're able to assault Lethice's castle, you've got a thriving settlement filled with people you care about. You've cleared dungeons and built up a coalition to oppose the demons and thwarted their plans. You've learned various skills and perks that made you feel stronger, and enemies you couldn't have taken on earlier now fall to you like chumps. It felt like you've reversed the tides, or at least, took over and made them work in your favor.

Where is this growth in CoC II? I know the meme answer is "It'S nOT a PoWEr fAnTaSy!111!" but being serious for a moment, Savin himself seems to know this on some level. His constant tweaking of the combat system, him saying how if he ever makes another game, it's going to be a visual novel with a story focus. He knows he bit off way more than he can chew.

As much as I love her, romancing Kas has, ironically screwed the narrative. Because you've taken away the big bad, and the only replacment is Tollus, who frankly sucks shit. He's not threatening in the slightest, and he's only allowed to exist because our protagnists are so stupid/incompetent to not just cave his skull in. Kas too. She talks about how she knows he's using her and how his cult is bad and it's like... Just fucking kill him then? What the hell is he going to do to you? What does he provide you that you can't just get otherwise?

Wait it's actually canon that one of the side characters can actually do better at being champ than you? Than why isnt he out there fightning already?
Several side characters, actually. Nakano can have his big shonen glow-up, there's the leader of the mercenaries that's Tyria's chosen fuckboi, I'm almost certainly forgetting a bunch.

I mean hell bro, why didn't the gods all just dogpile Kas the moment she stepped through the portal? Why didn't they zap the shit out of Tollus and his cult? At least in CoC I, Mareth had an excuse that she was being weakened to the point of being on life support from the corruption. That's why she needed the champ in that game's help. The other gods were either dead if I recall or totally indifferent to the people's suffering.
 

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Because you've taken away the big bad, and the only replacment is Tollus, who frankly sucks shit. He's not threatening in the slightest, and he's only allowed to exist because our protagnists are so stupid/incompetent to not just cave his skull in.
It's worse when you realize through Gweyr's Quest that she could have easily killed him right then and there, preventing this entire God awful timeline, but would rather be hot shit. I mean, she had no trouble killing all the kids that were a part of his cult, but when it came time for Tollus? Nah, just break his hand and goof off. Great character, so glad she's a clearly a hero and not a murderous psychopath. So glad the only options are to console her or admit she's a monster, but that's a good thing.
 

MarvintheBee

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I mean hell bro, why didn't the gods all just dogpile Kas the moment she stepped through the portal? Why didn't they zap the shit out of Tollus and his cult? At least in CoC I, Mareth had an excuse that she was being weakened to the point of being on life support from the corruption. That's why she needed the champ in that game's help. The other gods were either dead if I recall or totally indifferent to the people's suffering.
That's really one of my main gripes with the setting. Savin was so eager to stop the power fantasy of the chosen one, that he wrote himself into a pickle. There are just no real reason for you to save the world. Except the fact that Kas wants your soul which got "empowered" by chance.
We have 7 "gods" who could easily stop Kas, but just don't? But also some non gods apparently could do it like Carmen, who just doesn't because of she has ptsd from blowing up Hawkethorne in the past by "accident".
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Like bro we get it, the champ doesn't matter. Kassyra will never succeed with her plan. She is no threat to this world.

There is just a real disconnect with the stakes in this.
That happens when you want to make a world ending threat, but also don't want to do the "generic power fantasy".
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Better start praying that we don't just "tip the scales" at the end of the game.
 

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Wait it's actually canon that one of the side characters can actually do better at being champ than you? Than why isnt he out there fightning already?
I guess only because this is TOBS wet dream. Funny tho: TOBS actually allowed to play power fantasy (behind the scene, but regardless).
 
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