Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Evizzy89]

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imagine being reasonable on a fourm where 90% of the people youre talking to likely has a XXXL buttplug up their ass and jerkin off while talkin to you

*goes to fetch my analgasam 2077*

 

[PixelLewd]

Forgive me for having a weird mix of optimism/pessimism that doesn't allow me to believe those who support this kind of stuff aren't simply consoomers looking for the next plate of gray slop that gets shilled out

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Or the people who are subscribed actually enjoy the content that they release.

"Not scientifically possible!"

 

[Jbuster]

"Not scientifically possible!"
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The rich CEO accidentally ripping his fursuit while investing in CoC2 and TiTS in secret begs to differ

 

[PorkBunny]

Is anyone willing to share their save file with ahmri corruption? Because I really don't want to go through the hustle to see it.

 

[AquilaXX]

this thead suddenly got oddly positive. I feel warm and comfy. And I agree, a big positive of CoC 2 and TITS is the frequent updates. Most games on this site cant come anywhere close to this kind of update schedule.

 

[Meatshield236]

Eh

Nah. There are way, way, waaay worse handled games on this site than either of these games. It's not even close.


Not gonna start naming names so soon after a nice modding, but until they start the dreaded "reboot the entire game from scratch" routine that some VERY popular games on this site have done, they're still above water imo.

The fact that this could apply to many games really does put things into perspective. The worst I've seen was a reboot from scratch into an entirely different genre of game with only 10% of the content and none of the good stuff, abandon that to make a whole new game, then abandon THAT and go radio silent.

As much as I enjoy complaining and poking holes in stuff, at least they're getting stuff done.

 

[BiggusDickus93]

I'm having an issue where I'm playing the local version and the map icons keep disappearing. I have already deleted all local files including the stuff in /appdata/roaming and reinstalled everything and it still keeps happening. Anybody knows what could cause this or how to fix it?

edit: It sometimes works if you reload the game, but after clicking a few buttons the icons disappear again

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

It's the annual reminder (I hate being reasonable) that just because you and I have grievances, that does not mean that our complaints are any more valid than other peoples opinion. CoC2 updates frequently (except last month, heh.), with a wide range of content, and the fetishes it does cater to are in abundance. Nobody is getting ripped off supporting this game.

As much as I like to shit talk.... I gotta agree. Like don't get me wrong. Lotta folks will absolutely accept slop, if they get just enough of what they want. Or don't have any proper alternatives. My easiest example for that are sports gamers. However at this point. A lot of these people have to know what it is. And outside of folks who somehow forget they're still subscribed. The other most logical choice is.... they like it. It's too many people in the world. For Savin and the rest of them, to be the only ones on the same page. They got fans.

For whatever we shit talk and criticize. There's many already jerking to it happily. Hell if this whole website has taught me anything. Outside of how deep and weird the kink abyss gets. It's that whatever you're not into. Many absolutely are.

If there is at least one thing I've come to understand when it's applied to people and things that appeal to a concept they like, it's that they'll eat shit and appreciate it.

 

[Wavering]

I’m pretty sure that was the original plot-line. I distinctly recall hearing it said that Etheryn’s original story beat was a prince who had been feminized by his abusive older sister, which is the state you’d find them in, but as the story progressed, I think the writers got cold feet.

One of the only remaining nods to this in the entire game was Hethia’s lines to Etheryn in the quest where you rescue Garret, which are now unused, since Garret’s quest was changed to be mandatory.

I get why they changed it, but personally, I think it’s fucking lame. There was serious potential there, but Savin pussyfooted around the risk of offending people with less-than-perfect representation of ‘muh pretty dickgurl princess’.

Honestly, that’s kinda the issue on the larger scale. Just look at corrupted Khor’Minos getting axed; I guarantee you there was an element of ‘I bit off more than I could chew when planning’, but you can’t tell me nobody winced looking at the implications.

EDIT, because I’m not done:

The question of “how did things go wrong” compared to CoC1 (you know, the thing people have argued in circles over for hundreds of pages?) becomes pretty fucking clear when you extrapolate the earlier conclusion to this.

Times changed, people’s sensibilities (and sensitivities) shifted with them, and people didn’t want the darker aspects in a porn game, even when that porn game has a brand to keep.

No that's never been the case. Yes her sister abused her in the background but she was never a boy in the drafts.

Not sure, in the Primary Design Document (now deprecated) - at one point pretty sure Etheryn was listed as a Trap (i.e. a boy). We don't have access to the Version History of said Document, but there is still something that possibly points to Etheryn originally being planned as a Trap (not a "Shemale" / "Dickgirl").

Primary Design Document:
https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/event-writers-guide-old-and-depricated.13037/


https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit#


Can't go back to previous versions of this Document via the Version History, but based on this - one can presume that there's been at least 8 Revisions.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.69uzhyd59k2m



Something that still exists that does possibly point to the original plan being for Etheryn to be a Trap:
https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/the-companion-conundrum.12939/

Thread by TOBs, so should be credible. Also funny how TOBs' Title on the Official Forums is 'FoE Mod' - when he seems to dunk on FoE with Savin all the time.

https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/the-companion-conundrum.12939/#post-234159

We're specifically referring to the 3rd post in this Thread (also a post from TOBs).


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d3Rv_2Rm16Olcp4u1J0u2zzfTUQJkEgjlTdeNyIV-f4/edit?usp=sharing

Etheryn is still listed here as a Trap (along with Berwyn) - not a "Shemale", like Sheinnai (a Companion that seems unlikely to be added to the game).

This at least implies that the plans may have potentially changed for Etheryn (and other Companions).

Would be nice if we could 100% validate with a previous Version of the Primary Design Document though.

 

[GokutheG]

Not sure, in the Primary Design Document (now deprecated) - at one point pretty sure Etheryn was listed as a Trap (i.e. a boy). We don't have access to the Version History of said Document, but there is still something that possibly points to Etheryn originally being planned as a Trap (not a "Shemale" / "Dickgirl").

Primary Design Document:
https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/event-writers-guide-old-and-depricated.13037/
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit#
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Can't go back to the Version History, but based on this - one can presume there's been at least 8 Revisions.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.69uzhyd59k2m
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Something that still exists that does possibly point to the original plan being for Etheryn to be a Trap:
https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/the-companion-conundrum.12939/
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Thread by TOBs, so should be credible. Also funny how TOBs' Title on the Official Forums is FoE Mod - when he seems to dunk on FoE with Savin all the time.

https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/the-companion-conundrum.12939/#post-234159
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We're specifically referring to the 3rd post in this Thread (also a post from TOBs).

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d3Rv_2Rm16Olcp4u1J0u2zzfTUQJkEgjlTdeNyIV-f4/edit?usp=sharing
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Etheryn is still listed here as a Trap (along with Berwyn) - not a "Shemale", like Sheinnai (a Companion that seems unlikely to be added to the game).

This at least implies that the plans may have potentially changed for Etheryn (and other Companions).

Would be nice if we could 100% validate with a previous Version of the Primary Design Document though.

Hmm this is very interesting. I wonder if there was a change early in development or if there was an error. Part of the document has a companion I never heard of and no mention of Vivian. Although it would explain how off the lingerie scene feels compared to how Ryn was written prior to that point. I don't know if that's because of different authors and their interpretation of the characters.

I'd really love to see this discussed on their fourm.

 

[Wavering]

Hmm this is very interesting. I wonder if there was a change early in development or if there was an error. Part of the document has a companion I never heard of and no mention of Vivian. Although it would explain how off the lingerie scene feels compared to how Ryn was written prior to that point. I don't know if that's because of different authors and their interpretation of the characters.

I'd really love to see this discussed on their fourm.

Yeah, plans definitely changed - as Sheinnai apparently got rejected, per Savin (https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/what-content-would-you-like-added.13015/page-176#post-359748) - and based on the wording used, that's probably why Ashelander exists.

Also based on this though, with regard to Etheryn:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.69uzhyd59k2m

Etheryn has lived her whole life under her domineering, controlling older sister's thumb. Ages back, Alissa locked her in a magic chastity belt to make sure the royal bloodline was fully under the new Queen's control, and relegated her "sister" to little more than a handmaiden and sex-toy for herself.

The fact that sister is in quotations stands out - that seems to imply that things were possibly changed, as it doesn't necessarily make sense for that to be in quotations if they're referring to Etheryn by she or her everywhere else. That coupled with the stuff that was previously in the game with Hethia referring to Etheryn as a "princeling" seems to possibly re-inforce things changing from what was originally planned.

Doesn't matter at the end of the day though, but it's kind of funny now with how adamant people are about Ryn's identity all the time, when there definitely is sufficient context for it to be up for debate.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Hmm this is very interesting. I wonder if there was a change early in development or if there was an error. Part of the document has a companion I never heard of and no mention of Vivian. Although it would explain how off the lingerie scene feels compared to how Ryn was written prior to that point. I don't know if that's because of different authors and their interpretation of the characters.

I'd really love to see this discussed on their fourm.

Vivian is not in the list, because she was never planned to be a companion.
Like any other companion that isn't in that list.

 

[Urist McHorny]

Yeah, plans definitely changed - as Sheinnai apparently got rejected, per Savin (https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/what-content-would-you-like-added.13015/page-176#post-359748) - and based on the wording used, that's probably why Ashelander exists.

Also based on this though, with regard to Etheryn:
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.69uzhyd59k2m


The fact that sister is in quotations stands out - that seems to imply that things were possibly changed, as it doesn't necessarily make sense for that to be in quotations if they're referring to Etheryn by she or her everywhere else. That coupled with the stuff that was previously in the game with Hethia referring to Etheryn as a "princeling" seems to possibly re-inforce things changing from what was originally planned.

Doesn't matter at the end of the day though, but it's kind of funny now with how adamant people are about Ryn's identity all the time, when there definitely is sufficient context for it to be up for debate.

I saw a document linked to my waifu Kasyrra in the doc you linked and this is the final paragraph:

The princess then crawls off to find her mistress, leaving her brother (a companion) to take the throne. If you win, the remaining pure elves will imprison the princess, and her brother will take the throne.
I think this is even more clearcut evidence of Ryns backstory being retconned

 

[GokutheG]

Yeah, plans definitely changed - as Sheinnai apparently got rejected, per Savin (https://forum.fenoxo.com/threads/what-content-would-you-like-added.13015/page-176#post-359748) - and based on the wording used, that's probably why Ashelander exists.

Also based on this though, with regard to Etheryn:
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.69uzhyd59k2m


The fact that sister is in quotations stands out - that seems to imply that things were possibly changed, as it doesn't necessarily make sense for that to be in quotations if they're referring to Etheryn by she or her everywhere else. That coupled with the stuff that was previously in the game with Hethia referring to Etheryn as a "princeling" seems to possibly re-inforce things changing from what was originally planned.

Doesn't matter at the end of the day though, but it's kind of funny now with how adamant people are about Ryn's identity all the time, when there definitely is sufficient context for it to be up for debate.

Yeah I thought Hethia calling her that was just background for setting up the druid/elf beef but it seems that was resolved in the most uninteresting way possible. I was thinking the "sister" was a Patreon censor like they pulled with Kiro but that seems to not be the case.

It really does seem that Ryn's background was changed early in development. If that was the case then no wonder the lingerie scene seems extremely off if it was written before those changes took affect. Is that also why Savin is so against giving her a vagina since he already has her story written and he doesn't want to go back and change things to account for it.

 

[Wavering]

I saw a document linked to my waifu Kasyrra in the doc you linked and this is the final paragraph:

The princess then crawls off to find her mistress, leaving her brother (a companion) to take the throne. If you win, the remaining pure elves will imprison the princess, and her brother will take the throne.
I think this is even more clearcut evidence of Ryns backstory being retconned

Thanks for checking this - you're correct, that is pretty clearcut.

URLs and Screenshots for reference, per what Urist checked & mentioned:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.nwpttskwaumf


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kcg3-GnEjJZEwQnEOKA-JqNFh-LqKvEFLHwmPQx30AY/edit#heading=h.oi08e0iu4jf1

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kcg3-GnEjJZEwQnEOKA-JqNFh-LqKvEFLHwmPQx30AY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1koenk67qmqw

 

[GokutheG]

Thanks for checking this - you're correct, that is pretty clearcut.

URLs and Screenshots for reference, per what Urist checked & mentioned:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.nwpttskwaumf
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kcg3-GnEjJZEwQnEOKA-JqNFh-LqKvEFLHwmPQx30AY/edit#heading=h.oi08e0iu4jf1
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Hmm so now I wonder why this change was made before the game started.

 

[Bloep]

Hmm so now I wonder why this change was made before the game started.

Maybe they hadn't landed on who would write Etheryn yet.
And then when Savin was picked, he changed the character to suit his tastes. Guy loves his dickgirls/shemales.

 

[The Permanent War Economy]

Thanks for checking this - you're correct, that is pretty clearcut.

URLs and Screenshots for reference, per what Urist checked & mentioned:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EZI8E6auc03Yf_OjvvUadfba0UT7qSvZOedjJdTFpc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.nwpttskwaumf
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kcg3-GnEjJZEwQnEOKA-JqNFh-LqKvEFLHwmPQx30AY/edit#heading=h.oi08e0iu4jf1
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See! I told you all, I wasn’t crazy! I know Savin switched those genders, I knew it was a brother. As if I could make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just— I just couldn’t prove it! He covered his tracks, buried the design documents. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This, this futa cuckery? He’s done worse! That hellhound futa expansion! Are you telling me a community just happens to want him to slap a penis on a perfectly good woman?! No! He orchestrated it! Savin! He cancelled the Shar companion expansion! And I defended him! I shouldn’t have. I said it was a reasonable concession for the scale of a project! What was I thinking?! He’ll never change. Ever since CoC1! Couldn’t keep his mouth off of futa cock. But no! Not Savin! Couldn’t be our precious Savin! Cucking us blind! And he gets to play high and mighty? What a sick joke! I should have stopped him when I had the chance. And you, you have to stop him—

 

[Skandranon]

This wasn't really a secret - they'd talked about this before. Ryn was a trap, but that's before she ever even started being written. That version never made it to paper.

Maybe they hadn't landed on who would write Etheryn yet.
And then when Savin was picked, he changed the character to suit his tastes. Guy loves his dickgirls/shemales.

Nah. When this game started, there were only two writers - Tobs and Savin, thats it. And Tobs started writing the foxes before this game existed. Ryns was always Savin's.