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You could be serious with a visual novel that has porn, magic and other things, just because it has those doesn't mean it can't be serious, but with this one, there's no chance it's serious, the writing is awful.
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Well, I just finished the game and the ending was kind of disappointing. Having Alice and the mother (if you have the incest patch) end up being depressed is kind of a bad move for the good ending. And when you get down to it, there was no real closure for any of the characters. I am hoping that there is a sequel to this in the works.
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I've only asked a simple question. I never said that a story with porn can't be serious or taken seriously. But the term 'awful' is a relative thing. Relative to something else. Something we compare it to. In case of this VN, another porn VN since comparing this outside its genre is unwise. So i'd assume you have a porn VN in mind that qualifies as plausibe and serves as a standard to what you compare all others. Even if you haven't singled out an exact piece then a few? What is the title that set your standard. Which ones tuned and set your values when it comes to porn VNs, the ones that makes you feel this is awful in comparison.
There is and its already finished. Though i'm not sure it gives the closure you'd expect but thats what we got. A completely new game is in the making.
Well, you achieved one of about 7 different endings. It might be time to find the endings.jpg and see what you might do differently to get other endings.
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Of recent memory, 'Acting Lessons', I'd say it was written well enough to make me invested in the characters and actually find it to be believable, as opposed to this game, typos aside I had a difficult time believing the things this game threw at me, instead they were just things thrown in, just because, it felt random at times too.
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So 'Acting Lessons' then. I think DoDs usage of the plot and character developement serves a somewhat different goal or perhaps i should say the aim was a bit different with them. AL in my interpretation was more about the characters itself while i consider DoD a very good porn game. Its a crude approach but i say it just to get my point through..: in AL the porn was there to make it an adult game. To spice things up. To make it a lewd story. In DoD, though we had dramatic moments, i think the characters aaand the plot was more of a means to an end. To make the porn more spicy by giving it a solid framework while AL used story and character developement not as a framework.
In my eyes both VN considers the story an important part but to serve and fulfill a different purpose. I think you find this one not to your liking because you prefer the AL approach. Mainly a story with porn. DoD is mainly porn with story. Of course it can be done differently or to suit a different audience, a different desire but i'm a firm believer that DoD has a very good story for a porn VN! Now obviously we could say that everything that has porn belong to the same basket but i'd say that would be like saying every human being is the same. In a certain viewpoint yes but otherwise no, not at all. We simply cannot expect the same thing from everyone. Or for example cars. We have cars for different purposes. The difference is the purpose.
That being said one should consider the fact that not everyone has the same qualities as a writer and storyteller and even beyound this fact we all know that there is matter of style. Writers do have their own style but even if they copy someone elses' its still a style they are copying. If one cares enough to compare its easy to notice how porn VNs differentiate along the lines of style, execution, goals. Not all story deals with subtlety but that doesn't make them bad. Not all people like subtlety you see. Some prefer to have explanation for everything, want to have set goals, while some just enjoys the ride and hits the road for the trip itself.
For me Dreams of Desire delivers a remarkably exciting porntale where the aim is to do lewd things with family members plus extras in a setting that breaks the montonity of sex with elements like character interaction and plot but those are not as important as it would be in a genuine drama yet we get more of it than we do in an 'average' porn game and i appreciate that a lot. The very fact that kinda lot of people still consider this story genuinely captivating and dramatic is not something that suppose to come as a suprise or cause confusion but instead should serve as sign that DoD is truely remarkable! ..within its own enviroment. Pulp fiction of the porn kind. Just as in movies there are drama, action, horror, romantic comedy, cartoon and so on. They aren't exactly competing in the same league for the same audience. They are all movies though.
The issue here rises when you sit into one expecting a horror and you get a romantic comedy. Just because we call each and every such title as Visual Novel its a mistake thinking it means the same for each title and judging a romcom through the criteras with set for a horror is silly. DoD is a VN, AL is a VN. They are very similar by the looks of it but that doesn't make them the same. One aims for lewd entertainment the other aims for lewd storytelling. DoD is a very high quality lewd entertainment within the VN genre. Acting Lessons is considered a very good one but it has a mixed review overall. For me thats nothing if not a clear sign that people expect different things from something they believe to be a drama with porn
DoD is porn with dramatic elements. Majority of VNs i've seen around here are just porn. Recently the bar for standards is rising though. Not mine but the quality of the story aspect in recent VNs is on the rise. DoD born in an era before this one so please show some leniency 
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It's funny we're already speaking about eras of AVN's but it's very true. So just to add to what @Ennoch's said, there's definitely an argument that AL's taken inspiration from DoD because DoD was one of the first of its kind (Like DMD) where, compared to their contemporaries, there was nothing else like it out there (Or very little) and had upped the standards. You have to put DoD into context where in the AVN world most of the games focused on the lewd elements or if they were story based, mainly not on Ren'Py. DoD was one of first built in Ren'Py that shifted the genre in a different direction to what we have now.So 'Acting Lessons' then. I think DoDs usage of the plot and character developement serves a somewhat different goal or perhaps i should say the aim was a bit different with them. AL in my interpretation was more about the characters itself while i consider DoD a very good porn game. Its a crude approach but i say it just to get my point through..: in AL the porn was there to make it an adult game. To spice things up. To make it a lewd story. In DoD, though we had dramatic moments, i think the characters aaand the plot was more of a means to an end. To make the porn more spicy by giving it a solid framework while AL used story and character developement not as a framework.
In my eyes both VN considers the story an important part but to serve and fulfill a different purpose. I think you find this one not to your liking because you prefer the AL approach. Mainly a story with porn. DoD is mainly porn with story. Of course it can be done differently or to suit a different audience, a different desire but i'm a firm believer that DoD has a very good story for a porn VN! Now obviously we could say that everything that has porn belong to the same basket but i'd say that would be like saying every human being is the same. In a certain viewpoint yes but otherwise no, not at all. We simply cannot expect the same thing from everyone. Or for example cars. We have cars for different purposes. The difference is the purpose.
That being said one should consider the fact that not everyone has the same qualities as a writer and storyteller and even beyound this fact we all know that there is matter of style. Writers do have their own style but even if they copy someone elses' its still a style they are copying. If one cares enough to compare its easy to notice how porn VNs differentiate along the lines of style, execution, goals. Not all story deals with subtlety but that doesn't make them bad. Not all people like subtlety you see. Some prefer to have explanation for everything, want to have set goals, while some just enjoys the ride and hits the road for the trip itself.
For me Dreams of Desire delivers a remarkably exciting porntale where the aim is to do lewd things with family members plus extras in a setting that breaks the montonity of sex with elements like character interaction and plot but those are not as important as it would be in a genuine drama yet we get more of it than we do in an 'average' porn game and i appreciate that a lot. The very fact that kinda lot of people still consider this story genuinely captivating and dramatic is not something that suppose to come as a suprise or cause confusion but instead should serve as sign that DoD is truely remarkable! ..within its own enviroment. Pulp fiction of the porn kind. Just as in movies there are drama, action, horror, romantic comedy, cartoon and so on. They aren't exactly competing in the same league for the same audience. They are all movies though.
The issue here rises when you sit into one expecting a horror and you get a romantic comedy. Just because we call each and every such title as Visual Novel its a mistake thinking it means the same for each title and judging a romcom through the criteras with set for a horror is silly. DoD is a VN, AL is a VN. They are very similar by the looks of it but that doesn't make them the same. One aims for lewd entertainment the other aims for lewd storytelling. DoD is a very high quality lewd entertainment within the VN genre. Acting Lessons is considered a very good one but it has a mixed review overall. For me thats nothing if not a clear sign that people expect different things from something they believe to be a drama with porn
This is one of those that laid the foundations of change in western AVN's moving to what you see in AL and others similar. For what it is, this still holds up as an excellent piece of work (Of course as you mentioned it's not perfect but it shows where you could improve) considering what had happened before DoD.
HEy.buddy.The links up there are not aviliable
.really want some web to get the free assests.The ending definitely feels rushed with next to 0 closure and a bunch of unanswered questions. I downloaded this graphic a few months ago which might help you find which variables to flip, either through replaying or the console if you can find the right commands. If that doesn't work I might be able to find my old saves. IMO all but the Perfect(Harem) ending feel like Bad endings.
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And you downloaded where ????? Use this forum links !!!!!! BTW, there is a copressed version too (550MB) !!!!
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PLS HELP!
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "game/episode2.rpy", line 1703, in <module>
NameError: name 'living_room' is not defined
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "episode2.rpyc", line 1703, in script
File "C:\Users\hliac\Downloads\DreamsOfDesireEP12-ELITE-1.0.3-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 862, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "C:\Users\hliac\Downloads\DreamsOfDesireEP12-ELITE-1.0.3-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1839, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/episode2.rpy", line 1703, in <module>
NameError: name 'living_room' is not defined
Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 6.99.14.2.3333
Dreams of Desire EP12 ELITE-1.0.3
Tue Jan 29 16:39:14 2019
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "game/episode2.rpy", line 1703, in <module>
NameError: name 'living_room' is not defined
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "episode2.rpyc", line 1703, in script
File "C:\Users\hliac\Downloads\DreamsOfDesireEP12-ELITE-1.0.3-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 862, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "C:\Users\hliac\Downloads\DreamsOfDesireEP12-ELITE-1.0.3-pc\renpy\python.py", line 1839, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/episode2.rpy", line 1703, in <module>
NameError: name 'living_room' is not defined
Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 6.99.14.2.3333
Dreams of Desire EP12 ELITE-1.0.3
Tue Jan 29 16:39:14 2019