VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[SerHawkes]

I'm honestly not getting the so called hate for Rachel and that she is 'shitty'. I see it more people projecting thing that they thing to be true than not.

Is Rachel perfect? No. Did her leaving our girl Ashe at a bit of a awkward time in her life, ala right after Ashe confessed her attraction to her 'sister' affect her? Sure. But lets be real here: How would you react in that instance? Some might find it flattering and appealing. Others grossed out. Rachel was indeed right about how Ashe's attraction to her wasn't healthy, understandably so. With Ashe being a dual wielder with trauma and lack of confidence issues, finding someone for her would be dificult, and for Rachel, at the time, clearly didn't feel comfortable with that. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Now they are back together and the stirring of things is starting again. What happens this time around is anyones game. Maybe this time Rachel will accept Ashe's feelings for her, or maybe still be on the fence, or be that cuckqueen she semi intends to be. Either way, I find it utterly laughable from people saying she's shitty and horrible.

 

[manscout]

I don't think that's a reasonable guess from what we know about elysium. We've seen both Ashe and Jessica partake of it, heard what Spike has said about it and why it might be focused on by the authorities, and know that an enemy of Vanessa intends to use it as a weapon to achieve an effect like how Vanessa used it. Even if it had some sort of subdued effect on Evelyn, the schenagains in play are over too long of time to make sense.

Elysium is being sold on the streets as a party drug, police are cracking down in reaction to it now because it probably got used against some big wig, but certainly a lot of people got some of it for recreational use.

Ashe is a duplo and already has her super libido to contend with, it is very possible that the drugs' effects were particularly strong on her.

Vanessa put multiple pills on her mom's girlfriend drink, her spontaneously erupting was very likely caused by an overdose.

There is nothing subdued about the way Evelyn acts in the CQ route, she was basically howling for cock during her scene with Stella, VERY far from her usual composure, and Stella is smirking the whole time while she goads Ashe into jacking off while watching them fuck.

Also as Ashe herself notes before the scene, her mom knew that Ashe would be coming home and she was already getting home late, so it is very unusual that her mom would put out on her first date and take no precautions to avoid Ashe from running into them on the act.

Next morning Evelyn thinks it was probably just the wine, but we know what "just the wine" looks like outside of the CQ route, and it does not look like that. Combined with the infatuation Evelyn gets with Stella that almost seems a bit addicted and I think the Elysium spiking theory makes a lot of sense.

 

[Ciaran8023]

I'm honestly not getting the so called hate for Rachel and that she is 'shitty'. I see it more people projecting thing that they thing to be true than not.

Is Rachel perfect? No. Did her leaving our girl Ashe at a bit of a awkward time in her life, ala right after Ashe confessed her attraction to her 'sister' affect her? Sure. But lets be real here: How would you react in that instance? Some might find it flattering and appealing. Others grossed out. Rachel was indeed right about how Ashe's attraction to her wasn't healthy, understandably so. With Ashe being a dual wielder with trauma and lack of confidence issues, finding someone for her would be dificult, and for Rachel, at the time, clearly didn't feel comfortable with that. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Now they are back together and the stirring of things is starting again. What happens this time around is anyones game. Maybe this time Rachel will accept Ashe's feelings for her, or maybe still be on the fence, or be that cuckqueen she semi intends to be. Either way, I find it utterly laughable from people saying she's shitty and horrible.

This conversation has been done to death but it boils down to this;
Rachel basically acted as the emotional anchor to Ashe during their youth, Rachel thus knows about Ashe's immense issues with anxiety and self-image due to being a duplo. Rachel also knows that Ashe has issues standing up for herself due to previous issues. Rachel also knows that due to all of this, Ashe has to be handled a certain way and she's likely had a lot of experience with calming Ashe down.

Rachel did in fact not try to calm Ashe down when the incident occurred. In fact, Rachel did the opposite in that she antagonize Ashe further even though she should have plenty of experience in being calm, but rather than taking an extra second to compose, she just assumed that Ashe had fucked her.
She then decides to completely go silent for a year, and when she comes back, she doesn't even give Ashe the time of day to talk about things and absolutely ignores her, which is absurdly disrespectful and selfish given that Rachel was Ashe's rock, the one thing she could trust in her life and she had that trust completely shattered.

Now, with what we know, Rachel obviously knows that Ashe had feelings for her. If we're going by the current thesis in that Rachel took off and did what she did to make sure Ashe didn't have feelings anymore - she then decides to throw everything she did to Ashe down the drain by putting herself in the same goddamn situation again by deciding to get closer to Ashe. Again, this is so absurdly disrespectful and selfish as it will only serve to harm Ashe further and again, this is something she most likely knows as she doesn't come off as stupid. With this in mind, I always felt like their "make up" meeting felt weirdly shallow and it feels more and more like she just accepted that she couldn't keep running away and deflected things as best as possible instead of genuinely trying to apologize and reconnect.. I am also just assuming that she apologized during that scene, I can't recall entirely.

Now if we delve into CQ Rachel, we more or less learn that her entire relationship with Ashe's best friend was likely due to the fact that she enjoyed turning her sister into a twisted outlet for her sexual deviancy without considering Ashe's feelings nor her consent, and now she's doing a similar thing with Rapecop and has even started to lightly gaslight Ashe and behave even more antagonistic.

I won't reply further because this debate has been done to death - that being said, I cannot fathom anyone finding Rachel to be a "good" person. Even if we're just looking at 'baseline' Rachel she's at best completely selfish and has no respect for Ashe. If we then involve CQ Rachel then she firmly shines as a pretty horrendous human being.

Seriously speaking, there is no "projection" here with just reading the literal line of texts we're being presented and quantifying her behaviour.

 

[fez16]

I'm honestly not getting the so called hate for Rachel and that she is 'shitty'. I see it more people projecting thing that they thing to be true than not.

Is Rachel perfect? No. Did her leaving our girl Ashe at a bit of a awkward time in her life, ala right after Ashe confessed her attraction to her 'sister' affect her? Sure. But lets be real here: How would you react in that instance? Some might find it flattering and appealing. Others grossed out. Rachel was indeed right about how Ashe's attraction to her wasn't healthy, understandably so. With Ashe being a dual wielder with trauma and lack of confidence issues, finding someone for her would be dificult, and for Rachel, at the time, clearly didn't feel comfortable with that. Theres nothing wrong with that.

Now they are back together and the stirring of things is starting again. What happens this time around is anyones game. Maybe this time Rachel will accept Ashe's feelings for her, or maybe still be on the fence, or be that cuckqueen she semi intends to be. Either way, I find it utterly laughable from people saying she's shitty and horrible.

On the Siren/Kitten routes she just seems like a flawed person who does care about Ashe.

On the cuck route she definitely seems like a piece of shit. She has a self-admitted fetish for cucking, so her actions like hooking up with Ashe's best friend, hooking up with the cop that sexually harasses and blackmails Ashe and then lying/playing with Ashe when she gets worried come across way different. The vibe is just way off on that path, like she is getting off on hurting Ashe (who she knows has feelings for her).

I think if you look at the paths as separate universes, then you can only judge Rachel on that path. But if you look at it as the same universe and Ashe is the only one that changes, then she comes across really shitty.

 

[Alucard421]

This conversation has been done to death but it boils down to this;
Rachel basically acted as the emotional anchor to Ashe during their youth, Rachel thus knows about Ashe's immense issues with anxiety and self-image due to being a duplo. Rachel also knows that Ashe has issues standing up for herself due to previous issues. Rachel also knows that due to all of this, Ashe has to be handled a certain way and she's likely had a lot of experience with calming Ashe down.

Rachel did in fact not try to calm Ashe down when the incident occurred. In fact, Rachel did the opposite in that she antagonize Ashe further even though she should have plenty of experience in being calm, but rather than taking an extra second to compose, she just assumed that Ashe had fucked her.
She then decides to completely go silent for a year, and when she comes back, she doesn't even give Ashe the time of day to talk about things and absolutely ignores her, which is absurdly disrespectful and selfish given that Rachel was Ashe's rock, the one thing she could trust in her life and she had that trust completely shattered.

Now, with what we know, Rachel obviously knows that Ashe had feelings for her. If we're going by the current thesis in that Rachel took off and did what she did to make sure Ashe didn't have feelings anymore - she then decides to throw everything she did to Ashe down the drain by putting herself in the same goddamn situation again by deciding to get closer to Ashe. Again, this is so absurdly disrespectful and selfish as it will only serve to harm Ashe further and again, this is something she most likely knows as she doesn't come off as stupid. With this in mind, I always felt like their "make up" meeting felt weirdly shallow and it feels more and more like she just accepted that she couldn't keep running away and deflected things as best as possible instead of genuinely trying to apologize and reconnect.. I am also just assuming that she apologized during that scene, I can't recall entirely.

Now if we delve into CQ Rachel, we more or less learn that her entire relationship with Ashe's best friend was likely due to the fact that she enjoyed turning her sister into a twisted outlet for her sexual deviancy without considering Ashe's feelings nor her consent, and now she's doing a similar thing with Rapecop and has even started to lightly gaslight Ashe and behave even more antagonistic.

I won't reply further because this debate has been done to death - that being said, I cannot fathom anyone finding Rachel to be a "good" person. Even if we're just looking at 'baseline' Rachel she's at best completely selfish and has no respect for Ashe. If we then involve CQ Rachel then she firmly shines as a pretty horrendous human being.

Seriously speaking, there is no "projection" here with just reading the literal line of texts we're being presented and quantifying her behaviour.

Frankly I am seeing a pattern here. The Dev is simply writing horrible human beings as characters who get off Scot Free after doing horrible things and instead of giving a mirror to them, The Dev uses them to antagonize and traumatize and gaslight the main character further.

And there are so many vehement supporters of it who are either blind to the nuance of horrible things being done by these characters to Ashe or just enjoy misery porn. Just look at the amount of support the Rapist cop gets from them despite her rapey actions. Why would they even consider Rachel's more insidious actions to be any more horrible when they can excuse rape?

There were those who were arguing how Rapecop hasn't fucked Rachel, which Rachel probably enjoyed and gaslighted Ashe. Despite showing proof they argued nothing has happened. You will find same people defending Rape Cop in previous comments and defending Rachel's gaslighting actions. So you can observe the pattern.

 

[SerHawkes]

I see the delusional brainrot of projecting things has been amplified. To the list they go.

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Since then, Rachels been there for Ashe, rekindled their relationship a little, with a little bit of harm done, path pending of course. But still, Rachels there for Ashe right now with this Blackmailer stuff, helped support our gal with Vanessa, trying her best to make up for things.

 

[Ciaran8023]

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

 

[Alucard421]

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

 

[Alucard421]

I see the delusional brainrot of projecting things has been amplified. To the list they go.

People failing to understand basic common sense and understand that even if someone is an anchor, they have no obligation to them. Rachel needed time to process her feelings, away from Ashe, to think about things. How the honest fuck is that shitty? That can happen with any possible relationship. Sometimes you need to distance yourself from someone, not talk to them for a while, deal with your own feelings, then decide to either reengage with them or not. Thats literally what Rachel did, but for some that's "shitty behavior". What a fucking laugh.

Since then, Rachels been there for Ashe, rekindled their relationship a little, with a little bit of harm done, path pending of course. But still, Rachels there for Ashe right now with thisBlackmailer stuff, helped support our gal with Vanessa, trying her best to make up for things.

 

[Alucard421]

Just to note, of course not, no one has any obligation towards any other human being at all and they never will under any circumstances.
That being said, is it shitty to purposely destroy a siblings sense of trust and mire that person with more anxiety because you couldn't take two seconds to talk things through rationally? Yes it absolutely is. Even if that person does so in order to save their own sanity, it doesn't mean that it's any less of a shitty thing to do or that they're less of a shitty person to the individual that they've harmed.
And before you try to argue semantics, any and all actions we take for ourselves are selfish and selfishness isn't a sin, but knowingly acting selfish and hurting others will make you a shitty person in their eyes and others watching, there's no two ways about it.

People seem to be operating under the illusion that just because you take an action that serves yourself, no one else has any right to call you a shitty person. That isn't how it works, and it's arguing in bad faith, all of us know this.
It's almost similar to peoples misconception about freedom of speech, how it somehow should safeguard them from consequences of what they've said.

That freedom of speech example was outstanding. I think that's what happening here. And if Rachel that day instead of shouting at Ashe, would have talked things rationally, maybe Ashe wouldn't have gone down the path of literal weed addiction and devastated psyche and confidence. But hey all the power to Rachel for irrationally shouting at Ashe and then leaving her to deal with the mess.

 

[Ciaran8023]

That freedom of speech example was outstanding. I think that's what happening here. And if Rachel that day instead of shouting at Ashe, would have talked things rationally, maybe Ashe wouldn't have gone down the path of literal weed addiction and devastated psyche and confidence. But hey all the power to Rachel for irrationally shouting at Ashe and then leaving her to deal with the mess.

Yeah, it undoubtedly would've dissuaded Ashe from the spiral of self-destruction she ended up having, as while she's anxious as fuck, she's still a fairly rational human being and would've been able to have a simple conversation ending with "hey, this isn't right in my opinion, let's not" from Rachel for example.

But yeah, it isn't what happened alas.

 

[Hungover00]

Oh yeah don't expect them to balance anything. They are writing this story not to resolve trauma but to antagonize Ashe so much to the point the voice in her head finally wins.

This is usually a sick joke the writers love to inflict on their main character especially. Just look at Spider man writers and how much they torture Peter Parker. Just see Re: Zero and how much Subaru suffers. These stories are written as misery porn. And since this fucking world has become cynical, these works are enjoyed by a lot. After all if the fictional character gets as many Ls as they in real life, they can probably relate to that cynicism and pessimism.

Check out Robin Hobb. Amazing author, but damn can she torture a character.

 

[Nemesis.]

Siren path here and Ashe still giving a fuck about the blackmail shit.

It should give us a choice to actually follow the blackmailer order or just say "fuck off, i don't care, motherfucker". I really thought that Siren path was dominant path, or have i been too naive?

I really thought that Ashe was going to change to a cold hearted bitch (figure of speech), and don't give a little fuck to people know what she is.

Frustration is what defines my feelings here.

I can only hope for a change!

 

[Alucard421]

Check out Robin Hobb. Amazing author, but damn can she torture a character.

Yeah sadist people aren't my cup of tea especially those who prefer torturing their protagonist because I don't know, its a fetish for them.

 

[Hungover00]

On the Siren/Kitten routes she just seems like a flawed person who does care about Ashe.

On the cuck route she definitely seems like a piece of shit. She has a self-admitted fetish for cucking, so her actions like hooking up with Ashe's best friend, hooking up with the cop that sexually harasses and blackmails Ashe and then lying/playing with Ashe when she gets worried come across way different. The vibe is just way off on that path, like she is getting off on hurting Ashe (who she knows has feelings for her).

I think if you look at the paths as separate universes, then you can only judge Rachel on that path. But if you look at it as the same universe and Ashe is the only one that changes, then she comes across really shitty.

Is she a bull or cuck in those fantasies though? Because it seems very unclear.

 

[Alucard421]

Siren path here and Ashe still giving a fuck about the blackmail shit.

It should give us a choice to actually follow the blackmailer order or just say "fuck off, i don't care, motherfucker". I really thought that Siren path was dominant path, or have i been too naive?

I really thought that Ashe was going to change to a cold hearted bitch (figure of speech), and don't give a little fuck to people know what she is.

Frustration is what defines my feelings here.

I can only hope for a change!

I think you maybe naive of thinking the Dev gives a shit about Siren path. Its a flavor change path that will get the least amount of content but Ashe more or less will stay the same. She won't say the Blackmailer to fuck off. The Rapist cop and the Blackmailer still would have a hold on her life. For every 3 small victories, she will be rewarded 10 complete Ls. That is the dev intention. Torturing Ashe.

 

[Ciaran8023]

Is she a bull or cuck in those fantasies though? Because it seems very unclear.

She would be the "partner" doing the fucking and Ashe is the cuck in that little twisted form of 'love'. She knows that Ashe likes her romantically, and thus she gets off on the agony she causes Ashe when she involves herself with other people.
Like an extremely fucked up form of jealousy-play.

Some people in that situation can also get off on the idea of control over their partner, but the way the current theory seems to stand and what we've seen of her behaviour, she seems to get off on hurting Ashe as Ashe still has feelings for her. It wouldn't make sense otherwise as to why she broke up with Fiona when Ashe stopped coming around for example, if she was more interested in "control" then she could have continued and just slipped stories to Ashe about their hookups, but she seemingly wants to Ashe to be there for her to see and given the CQ route currently, I wouldn't be surprised if she's trying to gear up to get Ashe involved more in her little play with Rapecop.

Of course, this is all just a theory based on the events we've seen, but it seems the most logical as if she was in love with Ashe for example, her 'involvement' with other people would look very different. Right now Ashe is more or less just a tool to satisfy her kink.

 

[Nemesis.]

I think you maybe naive of thinking the Dev gives a shit about Siren path. Its a flavor change path that will get the least amount of content but Ashe more or less will stay the same. She won't say the Blackmailer to fuck off. The Rapist cop and the Blackmailer still would have a hold on her life. For every 3 small victories, she will be rewarded 10 complete Ls. That is the dev intention. Torturing Ashe.

That's a huge incoherence of the DEV part then.

Why create 3 paths then, if the personality of the MC doesn't change and she still a scare cat all the same?

Poor Ashe, then!

 

[Aaron236]

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

 

[Nemesis.]

It seems to me that Siren Ashe could potentially learn Martial Arts from Vanessa seeing their interactions, maybe Vanessa teaches Ashe to kick some ass and Ashe whoops Rape cop's ass, if that happens, i'll count it as a massive W for Siren Ashe

That would definitely make me stay and "suffer" playing the game if becomes a reality.