Ren'Py Family, Friends and Strangers [v2024.10] [JohnAndRich]

[maiku123]

I prefer "Boy gets every woman after he watches them thoroughly used and dumped by every other characters". I hope Carl gets to have fun with MC's mom next

So you like good endings. I think there are many good endings out there. I prefer bad ends. Boy gets no woman like Thug Hero party, Iro Yoridori or NTRPG 2. Or you can also have them both, like spiral legend series. Thou I respect your preference after all the more the merrier.

 

[maiku123]

What do you guys prefer on a NTR novel, do you guys like for MC to have a bad ending or a good ending?

 

[kaizersoze27]

So you like good endings. I think there are many good endings out there. I prefer bad ends. Boy gets no woman like Thug Hero party, Iro Yoridori or NTRPG 2. Or you can also have them both, like spiral legend series. Thou I respect your preference after all the more the merrier.

Well yeah, I agree with you. But good to have these bitches fucked by everyone. May be something in between? Freeuse?

 

[maiku123]

Well yeah, I agree with you. But good to have these bitches fucked by everyone. May be something in between? Freeuse?

Like after becky is fully corrupted (after several patches or a long burn story) having her fuck parker but is not own her own volution but just because she was order to do so by cops as a way to make parker think he got her back?

 

[gabich69]

Oh my God !! I just discovered this game when it was released at the end of 2018 !! what am I doing with my life ????
Haha without laughing, I enjoyed the time I spent on this game, the story is interesting, without scripting ease, the graphics are very beautiful and I fell in love with Becky.
The photo shoot with Carl was omg. I can't wait for the 2 to start over with even more freedom hehehe
Btw what is the date of parution of this amazing game guys? Can we attend to have an update this next month??
(And is there a discord to join or i must join his patreon first???)
Thanks for reading me fellas, have a good day

 

[L.Lumpy]

Oh my God !! I just discovered this game when it was released at the end of 2018 !! what am I doing with my life ????
Haha without laughing, I enjoyed the time I spent on this game, the story is interesting, without scripting ease, the graphics are very beautiful and I fell in love with Becky.
The photo shoot with Carl was omg. I can't wait for the 2 to start over with even more freedom hehehe

Indeed it was. And, from a purely technical effects point of view, I thought it was a nice piece of work as well.

Btw what is the date of parution of this amazing game guys? Can we attend to have an update this next month??

Read the original post for everything you need to know about updates.

(And is there a discord to join or i must join his patreon first???)

AFAIK, Rich has never created a Discord for this.

 

[yoyomistro]

I've had this on my list for a few years, and finally getting around to it... I'm still very early on but I've got to say the setup with the cops is ruining it for me. It's very difficult for police to get away with abusing their power the way that's presented in this story in middle class communities in the US. If you read any amount of news on a regular basis around corruption in policing in the US they get busted all the time for running kickback and corruption schemes, even when they target vulnerable and low-income communities or criminals who are already on the hook with solid evidence. Even in the early 2000s this isn't plausible to me, and this story feels like it's supposed to be believable. Maybe something happens later on in the story that makes it evident why the cops in this story get away with that level of abuse, and if someone could let me know with a yes or no answer without spoilers that would be great. I'm on chapter 5 and haven't seen anything convincing yet.

If someone can point out a story where a cop gets away with abusing non-vulnerable communities in this way in the US too that would be helpful. The only stories I've seen like this in real life, the officers were careful to target low-income or minority women in communities without a lot of resources, women with disabilities, or elderly women, and even then they eventually slip up or a they mess with a woman who knows her rights and gets help from federal or state authorities despite being from a disadvantaged background.

Barring some really good context I'm gonna have a hard time continuing this one because the premise is just ruining it for me. And it's not that I'm bothered by the abuse of power, the screencaps of the cops clearly doing something wrong in the OP are what piqued my interest in the story in the first place, but as I'm working through the story I just can't excuse the poor background elements to that whole plot line.

 

[garret64]

Thanks for being reminded on all three sides that the cops' power in this story is unrealistic.

Still, I love the fantasy of power over women and the gloomy atmosphere in the game.

If you want pure realism and a sex story at the same time, you will only get a very short story.

 

[yoyomistro]

Thanks for being reminded on all three sides that the cops' power in this story is unrealistic.

Still, I love the fantasy of power over women and the gloomy atmosphere in the game.

If you want pure realism and a sex story at the same time, you will only get a very short story.

I like games/VN with abusive dynamics and outright non-con. I play/read Corruption, Blackmailing the Family, Enslaver, Restore her Career, all the fucked up games on here. But again the dynamics have to be consistent. Either it's super over the top, and that's apparent, or it isn't. If it was set in the 1970s, even the 80s, I wouldn't say anything. If it was a low-income or immigrant neighborhood, I probably wouldn't say anything either. If it was set in Europe, I wouldn't know enough to comment.

But being raised in the US and as obsessed with crime and politics as I am, police who get away with this type of behavior pick their targets better, don't engage in repeat abuse of the same victim unless they are extremely young, old, disabled, have a record, or some sort of element of real blackmail that I haven't seen in this story like an ACTUAL criminal record or vulnerability, or systemic abuse of people with access to significant resources, and don't sloppily tamper with evidence in a way that the FBI or state law enforcement can easily trace (and no matter what anyone may think of them, the modern FBI does care about police abuse of power and investigates it seriously), so a history teacher in an affluent community in the early 2000s taking that much abuse is kinda feeling like martians just appeared in the middle of the slice of life novel I'm reading and I just keep reading along.

Even in notoriously corrupt precincts like some in Louisiana, Florida, etc., this is reaching. I suppose I'll keep going, but like I said, martians just landed in the middle of the slice of life novel and it's kinda hanging over the whole story.

 

[L.Lumpy]

If someone can point out a story where a cop gets away with abusing non-vulnerable communities in this way in the US too that would be helpful.

Sadly, how about this:

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(No idea whether this qualifies under your "non-vulnerable community" definition, but...)

I'm not saying that the way that particular scene in the story played out was necessarily realistic, but I'm afraid the statement that "cops don't get away with this kind of thing" just isn't true. (Not that you said it wasn't true - not trying to put those words in your mouth.)

 

[yoyomistro]

Sadly, how about this:

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(No idea whether this qualifies under your "non-vulnerable community" definition, but...)

I'm not saying that the way that particular scene in the story played out was necessarily realistic, but I'm afraid the statement that "cops don't get away with this kind of thing" just isn't true. (Not that you said it wasn't true - not trying to put those words in your mouth.)

I said "repeated abuse of the same victim" and "level of abuse" for a reason. If it was just the initial assault that happens all the time here. The only cases where police repeatedly victimize an individual that I've seen here are people who are considered "vulnerable" targets, and again, this guy in the article linked did not get away with it when he picked the wrong target for a one-time assault that was in a secluded area. He was sent to prison. Of course we wouldn't know if they got away with it long term, and of course there are going to be one-time cases where the victim just wants to put the incident behind them. Also I'm not talking about the initial scene. That could easily happen. There is a whole scheme delineated in the prologue that serves as the basis for a persistent plotline which I'm talking about. There's a distinction between one time abuses and the systematic abuses I'm talking about. I understand Rich has talked about this issue before but I'm sure he and John appreciate well thought out critique even on a line they've commented on before.

I wouldn't bother posting if I thought the story was badly done, on the contrary I only care because it's otherwise decent, and even though some elements are obviously different from my specific context, as someone who was in the same age range of the main characters presented here in the period represented, went to schools in different types of communities in that period, and who has relatives who came of age in the deep South in that period, it's funny to see the attempt to faithfully represent that context with a major plotline that relies on something that was hard to get away with in that time due to things such as consent decrees and other federal and state tools that made it hard to perpetrate this sort of systematic abuse in relatively well-heeled communities in that era.

Also not sure if you read the article but qualified immunity only protects police from civil liability, not criminal; the offending officer still faced full criminal penalties and it's merely judicial doctrine not law and states can pass laws preventing it from being used in a civil context anyway as Colorado just did following a particularly egregious incident.

 

[fotogaik]

Jeez, Colorado sounds like literally the only state I could emigrate to based on what I've read. (And it was the only state I ever visited, too, as my former employer is based there.)

 

[yoyomistro]

Jeez, Colorado sounds like literally the only state I could emigrate to based on what I've read. (And it was the only state I ever visited, too, as my former employer is based there.)

If you're serious I can give you a comprehensive list of decent states to live in if you're from somewhere sane based on their laws, lol. It's not all bad out in 'Murica, although some places do adhere pretty closely to the caricatures =P.

 

[fotogaik]

Nah, not serious. I had a potential opportunity for immigration (if I inquired) four years ago. Back before covid and while much of my family was still alive, so I didn't give it pause. Now, I would definitely at least consider the possibility and inquire.

 

[clowns234]

I've had this on my list for a few years, and finally getting around to it... I'm still very early on but I've got to say the setup with the cops is ruining it for me. It's very difficult for police to get away with abusing their power the way that's presented in this story in middle class communities in the US.

I think John's original story on literotica is more believable. With that said, converting all that to a graphic novel is a lot of work and requires a lot of 3D assets. I understand why some of the details get left by the wayside. An example from the original story would be the police body cams. If the police are recording it, then their search must be legit, right? But to make those part of your renders, you would either have to custom build them or buy some that are already made (My google search couldn't find any). Is the time and money best spent elsewhere? That's a choice the Dev has to make.
Just my conjecture.

 

[yoyomistro]

I think John's original story on literotica is more believable. With that said, converting all that to a graphic novel is a lot of work and requires a lot of 3D assets. I understand why some of the details get left by the wayside. An example from the original story would be the police body cams. If the police are recording it, then their search must be legit, right? But to make those part of your renders, you would either have to custom build them or buy some that are already made (My google search couldn't find any). Is the time and money best spent elsewhere? That's a choice the Dev has to make.
Just my conjecture.

Yea, but there are easy things you could do to get over that. For example, Parker's dad could be involved in some shady stuff, and the cops found out about it somehow, and bam, there you have a simple plot element that you never have to expand on as he's basically never present in the story, and Melissa would ACTUALLY be on the hook in a way she couldn't get out of without jeopardizing her family. It's just such a lazy and destructive piece to the whole framework and the fact that everything is decent annoys me. Again, the fact that this is otherwise well-written is what makes this element of the story so bad. If it was any of the typo-ridden dime-a-dozen fetish mills that get dumped on this site every day I wouldn't say a thing.

Nah, not serious. I had a potential opportunity for immigration (if I inquired) four years ago. Back before covid and while much of my family was still alive, so I didn't give it pause. Now, I would definitely at least consider the possibility and inquire.

Wow, ok. Sorry about your family. Hope all is well with you otherwise.

 

[hmc15]

Barring some really good context I'm gonna have a hard time continuing this one because the premise is just ruining it for me. And it's not that I'm bothered by the abuse of power, the screencaps of the cops clearly doing something wrong in the OP are what piqued my interest in the story in the first place, but as I'm working through the story I just can't excuse the poor background elements to that whole plot line.

Curious as to what you're talking about

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

Would be nice to see another Carl's photoshoot with Becky but this time rather "Hustler" than "Playboy"

I’d rather see a hustler photo shoot with Carl’s mom or Parker’s mom!

 

[Rich]

With that said, converting all that to a graphic novel is a lot of work and requires a lot of 3D assets. I understand why some of the details get left by the wayside. An example from the original story would be the police body cams. If the police are recording it, then their search must be legit, right? But to make those part of your renders, you would either have to custom build them or buy some that are already made (My google search couldn't find any). Is the time and money best spent elsewhere? That's a choice the Dev has to make.
Just my conjecture.

I'll just remind the home audience that:

1. This wasn't in any way intended to be a transcription of the Literotica story. Maybe "inspired by" would be the closest that the two were intended to come to one another. This really is, and always was intended to be, a different (albeit similar) story.
2. In support of that statement, I'll point out that all of the script through about Chapter 4 was written by JohnCBB, the author of the Literotica story. If he'd just wanted to re-tell that story in graphic form, this would have evolved very differently.

As such, I just have to say that I find the constant comparison to the Literotica story... tiresome?

Also, this story (as the OP and some of the first chapter text clearly indicates) is not set in the current day, so police bodycams weren't around. (Or, at least, not at all common.) Again, JohnCBB's choice. That's also the reason there weren't 3,281 cell phone videos of the "in front of the school" encounter. So, the lack of bodycams in the renders had nothing to do with the complexity of creating an appropriate asset. Conjecture incorrect.

Barring some really good context I'm gonna have a hard time continuing this one because the premise is just ruining it for me. And it's not that I'm bothered by the abuse of power, the screencaps of the cops clearly doing something wrong in the OP are what piqued my interest in the story in the first place, but as I'm working through the story I just can't excuse the poor background elements to that whole plot line.

Sigh. OK, I get it. Paragraphs and paragraphs about how flawed the story's premise is. Thank you for stopping by, and hopefully you can find something else you find more palatable.

Pardon my grumpiness. Back to my ch11a renders.

 

[maiku123]

I'll just remind the home audience that:

1. This wasn't in any way intended to be a transcription of the Literotica story. Maybe "inspired by" would be the closest that the two were intended to come to one another. This really is, and always was intended to be, a different (albeit similar) story.
2. In support of that statement, I'll point out that all of the script through about Chapter 4 was written by JohnCBB, the author of the Literotica story. If he'd just wanted to re-tell that story in graphic form, this would have evolved very differently.

As such, I just have to say that I find the constant comparison to the Literotica story... tiresome?

Also, this story (as the OP and some of the first chapter text clearly indicates) is not set in the current day, so police bodycams weren't around. (Or, at least, not at all common.) Again, JohnCBB's choice. That's also the reason there weren't 3,281 cell phone videos of the "in front of the school" encounter. So, the lack of bodycams in the renders had nothing to do with the complexity of creating an appropriate asset. Conjecture incorrect.



Sigh. OK, I get it. Paragraphs and paragraphs about how flawed the story's premise is. Thank you for stopping by, and hopefully you can find something else you find more palatable.

Pardon my grumpiness. Back to my ch11a renders.

I dont see what is the point of the constant comparison with real life. An artist draw from real life but adds its own flavor, on top of that is rich story not ours, we can enrich it to certain extent with new ideas and constructive critism but its a work of fiction, not everything has to be 1 to 1 with the real world. Meaby in this world everyone is corrupt starting from congress and they did not allow to pass the law to have bodycams on cops. Since is fiction just roll with it.