Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.4 v11.00 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[qazxsw80]

Attitude I don't think so, thinking more about physical transformations. Bigger tits, plumper lips, you know it.

All those physical changes are kind of against Monica's character, maybe except the hair color. I mean she perceives herself perfect and so she doesn't need any "upgrades". She is "the most beautiful woman in the city" after all. More than that other characters seem to agree with her.
Bigger boobs, lips and so on are usually for those unsecure characters from those stories where a shy girl becomes a slut or a bimbo.
With regard to blonde hair... I think it is possible for some events, for example for the promised plot where Monica becomes an adult actress. Monica needs a lot of money to pay to that hag at the hotel, so she is persuaded to participate in a porno movie. In order not be recognized she changes her hair color for the shooting, maybe something else. It might be cool, actually.

 

[3nterprise]

All those physical changes are kind of against Monica's character, maybe except the hair color. I mean she perceives herself perfect and so she doesn't need any "upgrades". She is "the most beautiful woman in the city" after all. More than that other characters seem to agree with her.
Bigger boobs, lips and so on are usually for those unsecure characters from those stories where a shy girl becomes a slut or a bimbo.
With regard to blonde hair... I think it is possible for some events, for example for the promised plot where Monica becomes an adult actress. Monica needs a lot of money to pay to that hag at the hotel, so she is persuaded to participate in a porno movie. In order not be recognized she changes her hair color for the shooting, maybe something else. It might be cool, actually.
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I agree with almost everything, I just don't like the blonde hair on her.

 

[qazxsw80]

I agree with almost everything, I just don't like the blonde hair on her.

She would look much better if I edited it in Photoshop instead of an online app and changed the color of the eyebrows and the make-up. But I'm too lazy to bother.)

 

[coffeeaddicted]

In order not be recognized she changes her hair color for the shooting, maybe something else. It might be cool, actually.

This only works if everyone is a little stupid.
Your face is your identity so just changing the hair color is still you. If someone truly wants to be not recognized they change their face. I think this is where the story falls a little short because it appears that everyone has some form of amnesia or face blind.

 

[Ostego]

This only works if everyone is a little stupid.
Your face is your identity so just changing the hair color is still you. If someone truly wants to be not recognized they change their face. I think this is where the story falls a little short because it appears that everyone has some form of amnesia or face blind.

We return to - I`m not Monica i`m her twin. And it works in game)

 

[qazxsw80]

Well, yes and no. Of course no amount of make-up or another hair color will make a woman look completely different.
But sometimes it's quite difficult to recognize.
Like here

But it's a porno game. It's not supposed to be completely realistic.

 

[qazxsw80]

This only works if everyone is a little stupid.
Your face is your identity so just changing the hair color is still you. If someone truly wants to be not recognized they change their face. I think this is where the story falls a little short because it appears that everyone has some form of amnesia or face blind.

Here she changed her hair color, make-up and put in contact lenses (to improve the result she should change her hair style, but it's beyond my editing skills). I wouldn't say she is not recognizable at all, but it's good enough considering it is not supposed to be completely realistic since it's a porno game.

Let's say she decided to participate in porn looking like that because she doesn't want to be recognized. It is reasonable enough, in my opinion. Certainly more believable than all that twin idea.

 

[coffeeaddicted]

We return to - I`m not Monica i`m her twin. And it works in game)

I can only say how it works for me which is not working for me.
There are so many unanswered question then.
But, i have to replay it again with the additional content that i have missed. My memory doesn't capture everything i played anymore.
The main game is more or less, that she despises everything that is against her conviction but goes along to advance in whatever form that may be.
In my memory she fell down but not nearly enough as she had an escape route that wouldn't be available for someone in real life.
So she loses her passport, is a fugitive but still manages to be in a somewhat high position. I just never could wrap my head around that.
That said, i like the game though i did not like the clicking and out of my view, cheap excuse "i am her twin"

Well, yes and no. Of course no amount of make-up or another hair color will make a woman look completely different.
But sometimes it's quite difficult to recognize.
Like here
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But it's a porno game. It's not supposed to be completely realistic.

Very true. I just want it to point out that just hair color wouldn't be enough.
Btw. great example. Even though i don't know who it is.

 

[Ostego]

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Guess where is Monica and where it`s not "Monica"



Even more - there is scenes with similar clothes and different Monicas)

 

[Stan5851]

Guess where is Monica and where it`s not "Monica"
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I don't recall where the 2nd render came from (the one on the right). It doesn't really look like the work of fans from FB Fan Art thread, but I don't remember that in the game either.

 

[Ostego]

I don't recall where the 2nd render came from (the one on the right). It doesn't really look like the work of fans from FB Fan Art thread, but I don't remember that in the game either.

Lets pretend it to be photosession in her magazine. And funny moment at this time shes playing role of Monica. So it`s 50/50 for second picture)

For me it`s not the biggest problem of the game. Its a game in the end.

 

[qazxsw80]

Guess where is Monica and where it`s not "Monica"

There seems to be better examples of "before and after.)

 

[Stan5851]

As for IRL realism vs Fashion Business game reality, I suggest you all be honest to the end. Yes, I understand the point of view, which has been written about here many times before - when no one can recognise Monica and everyone believes her to be just a doppelganger. Yes, it may seem strange and unrealistic to some players. But let's look at it from the other side. If you want maximum realism, then the game just can't have what's going on in it. And all the humiliation Monica is going through, in any other country (other than some Somalia), would have long ago ended as soon as Monica would have gone to the prosecutor's office or called 911. So if you want real realism, then just admit that all these events happening to our Monica simply could not have happened in a notional civilised country.

So the idea of "doppelgangers" is quite viable and it fits in well with the rest of the invented game world, which consists pretty much only of hypertrophied assholes and perverts.

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[Yossarian1]

Oh boy... Blonde Monica would be awesome

 

[coffeeaddicted]

As for IRL realism vs Fashion Business game reality, I suggest you all be honest to the end. Yes, I understand the point of view, which has been written about here many times before - when no one can recognise Monica and everyone believes her to be just a doppelganger. Yes, it may seem strange and unrealistic to some players. But let's look at it from the other side. If you want maximum realism, then the game just can't have what's going on in it. And all the humiliation Monica is going through, in any other country (other than some Somalia), would have long ago ended as soon as Monica would have gone to the prosecutor's office or called 911. So if you want real realism, then just admit that all these events happening to our Monica simply could not have happened in a notional civilised country.

So the idea of "doppelgangers" is quite viable and it fits in well with the rest of the invented game world, which consists pretty much only of hypertrophied assholes and perverts.

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I think that the word "realism" is perhaps not the right word.
It is more the word "Believable".
It is understood that it's a work of fiction. Though reality is more sinister sometimes than a story can be.
So from that point of view i like a little more "believablility".
What i am saying is, that even though most construct maybe not making sense when applied to the real world, in games or VN, they work.
Though her character is made to be very self centered person and so would do certain things, other not. No matter the situation.
We are not playing a documentary but a soap opera. I think the question in my mind is mostly, would i do that if i were the character?
I hope my point isn't too offensive to fan's because this isn't my intent. For one or the other reason i have sometimes a little more of hard time to get into a game.

 

[Stan5851]

I think that the word "realism" is perhaps not the right word.
It is more the word "Believable".
It is understood that it's a work of fiction. Though reality is more sinister sometimes than a story can be.
So from that point of view i like a little more "believablility".
What i am saying is, that even though most construct maybe not making sense when applied to the real world, in games or VN, they work.
Though her character is made to be very self centered person and so would do certain things, other not. No matter the situation.
We are not playing a documentary but a soap opera. I think the question in my mind is mostly, would i do that if i were the character?
I hope my point isn't too offensive to fan's because this isn't my intent. For one or the other reason i have sometimes a little more of hard time to get into a game.

Well, there are inconsistencies in the game that are hard to explain.For example, it's completely illogical for Monica to prostitute herself in the Slums for a measly 10-20 dollars. Yes, it's optional, but still. Monica could very well make pretty good money without touching this slum and its inhabitants at all. However, the developer's game concept was to give players multiple paths to develop their own Monica, with each such path one day having to lead the conditional player's Monica to a certain ending of the game. At least, that was the intention of the state for 2019.

As for immersion, that's a pretty broad concept, but if by that you mean being immersive and trying to play out Monica's role, then in my opinion, Fashion Business is 100% not a game worth immersing yourself in that way. The detached position of bystander/spectator in this case will offer more benefits and save the body point we're sitting on from burning out.

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[Enfrize]

All those physical changes are kind of against Monica's character, maybe except the hair color. I mean she perceives herself perfect and so she doesn't need any "upgrades". She is "the most beautiful woman in the city" after all. More than that other characters seem to agree with her.

I wasn't talking about Monica upgrading herself on her own, I was talking about other characters forcing those upgrades on her in some routes. Of course she won't turn herself into a bimbo willingly on her own but I thought this game is about corruption and others taking advantage of your downfall and such extreme makeover could actually work for some of the most extreme routes.

 

[FansaReader]

What am I doing wrong, if I try to load a save game in EP3-v13-Extra-pc or EP3-v14-Extra-pc and get the HELP question "where did part 1 end" with the choice "Main Plot or Revenge path". What "part 1" is meant?
I just want to pick up where I left off last time (save game from some months ago).
Could someone please point to a FAQ entry or instructions, what I have to do to continue?

 

[Stan5851]

I thought this game is about corruption and others taking advantage of your downfall and such extreme makeover could actually work for some of the most extreme routes.

The focus of the game is not on corruption, but on humiliating Monica and forcing her into various sexual acts through blackmail. Corruption implies that the MC must become increasingly depraved or perverted, starting to love the whole process. But this scheme doesn't work in Fashion Business. Monica doesn't like sex (by default) and all the things we can call kinky she only does because she's being blackmailed and because she has no choice.

This is one of the aspects that sets our game apart from the legion of slut-simulators, where heroines become extremely depraved and start enjoying it.

 

[vimmers]

What am I doing wrong, if I try to load a save game in EP3-v13-Extra-pc or EP3-v14-Extra-pc and get the HELP question "where did part 1 end" with the choice "Main Plot or Revenge path". What "part 1" is meant?
I just want to pick up where I left off last time (save game from some months ago).
Could someone please point to a FAQ entry or instructions, what I have to do to continue?

i think you have played the 720 version
when loading a save try to migrate it
you see migrate when you are in loading screen
part 1 means episode 1