PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Wait, you guys don't see my new John Cena model wearing a cockring?? As for her anatomy, I was doing this render for a supporter who wanted it, so I may have cut a few corners.. :'D
Imagining John Cena with a pencil dick thin enough to fit that ring around is an infinitely entertaining image you've given me :LOL:

I think Nicki's biggest failing is her people-pleasing nature. Guy points it out last chapter, asking why she put up with Brent. She says something about being overly forgiving, due to how she grew up. If you pull together a few disparate remarks about/from Nicki, you can kind of assemble a picture of why she is like she is. She points out that she didn't have anyone to turn to aside from Guy, because she can't ask her family for help. She tells Maya that she has three brothers. Owen (Mr. Rhodenbarr's guard/body man) details a file he assembled on Nicki, which says both of her parents are both in prison. And of course she's able to forgive Dark Guy for being a real piece of shit.

I don't like to lay out too much stuff in posts like this, because sometimes my feelings/ideas change as I'm working on the story, and things I said on blog posts or message boards don't match what eventually ends up in the game. Plus, everyone has their own headcanon for characters. But, in my mind Nicki grew up in a very chaotic household, where she was likely abused by a family member. This causes her to subconsciously seek out men that are controlling and/or abusive. Maybe because it's familiar to her, or maybe because giving up a certain amount of control allows her to abdicate responsibility for when things in her life go wrong.

Her path with Good-to-Grey Guy is all about learning to take responsibility for herself, and build healthy boundaries.
Damn dude :cry: Very fascinating read, but sad. I like picking your brain on the game.

I always love reading everyone adding their own perspective on a character though! For me, I wondered if Nicki is the way she is because she doesn't quite have a firm grasp on herself, doesn't know what she wants in life, or what a good man for her looks like, and so kind of just goes with whatever other people want out of her; whether to adopt a sense of direction for herself, or to distract from the numbness of feeling lost.

Of course, I base that partly on my own personal experiences, or people I've known, or just characters in other works that have influenced me. Maybe there's some writing in the game that goes against that interpretation of Nicki? I'm pretty slow to pick up on details, shit memory etc. But that's how I imagined her, if anyone gets anything out of it.

I'm pleased that it kinda meshes well with what you had in mind, about being a people pleaser with an abusive past and a chaotic family life. A certain number of people pleasers out there do it because they don't know how to please themselves, so taking care of others sort of scratches that need vicariously. And in the case of abuse victims, sometimes satisfying others is how you survive. So depressing when you think too much about it :confused:

Mason's biggest failing is that he's a furry.

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Just jokes, fur-fans! <3
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Oh man, but in all seriousness.. I don't think I can come up with a flaw for Mason, because he's mostly just a victim of circumstance really. I guess the fact he was willing to cuck Nicki, and really put the pussy pressure on a taken Guy... that's pretty messed up. Let's just say if Nicki puts a nerf bat to that furry mask and bops Mason some good ones until he forgets he's a man... well, Mason mah boy, you had that one coming :LOL:
 
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Oh man, but in all seriousness.. I don't think I can come up with a flaw for Mason, because he's mostly just a victim of circumstance really. I guess the fact he was willing to cuck Nicki, and really put the pussy pressure on a taken Guy... that's pretty messed up. Let's just say if Nicki puts a nerf bat to that furry mask and bops Mason some good ones until he forgets he's a man... well, Mason mah boy, you had that one coming :LOL:
Mason is just insecure - which is normal, given his circumstances but I think in Mason’s head if he can make himself more valuable to Guy (by whatever means) it decreases the chances that he ends up back on the street so he’s willing to do a lot to avoid that.

As for Nicki … now I’m worried because I’ve known two people that match Neon’s description (more or less) and they did not end well. Neither of them could handle relationships that weren’t abusive, so if a guy wasn’t mean to them they’d be mean to him because it’s the only dynamic they understood. One of those two people is dead now (self inflicted) and the other was homeless for awhile and then left - said she was going to New Mexico (to chase a guy who she’d been in an abusive relationship with years before) but who knows.
 

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I've been thinking more about Nicki seeking out men who are arseholes and stuff. And if I treat her as nice as possible, that might shock her or something.

It's a trope I know, but it's one of my favourites in any entertainment product to witness just behind the classic nice guy bad girl trope, which I'm kind of hoping Isabella fills that role here.
 

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I've been thinking more about Nicki seeking out men who are arseholes and stuff. And if I treat her as nice as possible, that might shock her or something.
Let's just hope treating her nicely isn't something she has trouble coping with and leaves us for an asshole.
 
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Mason is just insecure - which is normal, given his circumstances but I think in Mason’s head if he can make himself more valuable to Guy (by whatever means) it decreases the chances that he ends up back on the street so he’s willing to do a lot to avoid that.

As for Nicki … now I’m worried because I’ve known two people that match Neon’s description (more or less) and they did not end well. Neither of them could handle relationships that weren’t abusive, so if a guy wasn’t mean to them they’d be mean to him because it’s the only dynamic they understood. One of those two people is dead now (self inflicted) and the other was homeless for awhile and then left - said she was going to New Mexico (to chase a guy who she’d been in an abusive relationship with years before) but who knows.
Damn that's sad man, sorry to hear. Luckily Neon can write whatever ending he wants and I'd imagine a depressing shit ending is not very fitting for a porn VN. Maybe on the dark path? Although my impression is that Neon wants the LIs to wrestle some sort of victory from dark Guy's mess he's created for them, so probably not even that. I think the LIs are ultimately gonna be fine :) Guy, on the other hand, will likely get his comeuppance if he's been naughty :cool:
 

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Damn that's sad man, sorry to hear. Luckily Neon can write whatever ending he wants and I'd imagine a depressing shit ending is not very fitting for a porn VN. Maybe on the dark path? Although my impression is that Neon wants the LIs to wrestle some sort of victory from dark Guy's mess he's created for them, so probably not even that. I think the LIs are ultimately gonna be fine :) Guy, on the other hand, will likely get his comeuppance if he's been naughty :cool:
Yeah if the mc goes too far I can see his justified ending being that he's arrested(or worse) for abusing the LIs and others while it's revealed that the charity was used as a cover for this and to find other victims. I can see someone like Nicki taking over the charity and using it to actually help people.

If you've played Pale Carnations than I think you understand what I'm talking about with the charity.
 
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Yeah if the mc goes too far I can see his justified ending being that he's arrested(or worse) for abusing the LIs and others while it's revealed that the charity was used as a cover for this and to find other victims. I can see someone like Nicki taking over the charity and using it to actually help people.

If you've played Pale Carnations than I think you understand what I'm talking about with the charity.
On the other hand if the protagonist does charity out of his heart and helps people in need, there might be a possibility he gets taken out by Lucien and his big goon should he delve deeper into their criminal activities, or perhaps his other associates will do that hit. He realized he could've died at that drug den when he went there with Risa (and Nicki later angrily reminded him of that once he was safely back at the studio).
 

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On the other hand if the protagonist does charity out of his heart and helps people in need, there might be a possibility he gets taken out by Lucien and his big goon should he delve deeper into their criminal activities, or perhaps his other associates will do that hit. He realized he could've died at that drug den when he went there with Risa (and Nicki later angrily reminded him of that once he was safely back at the studio).
Of course, as I understand it, if you’re enough of a dick both Nicki and Viola are gone now, one of them ight come back and take you out.
 
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Edit for new version v.0.71 - I expect I'll get to updating this over the weekend.

Well here it is, a gallery mod to replay scenes in the game

Compatible with: Friends in Need
Game version: 0.60c
Mod version: 0.60c.1
Will be this mod updated?
 

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On the other hand if the protagonist does charity out of his heart and helps people in need, there might be a possibility he gets taken out by Lucien and his big goon should he delve deeper into their criminal activities, or perhaps his other associates will do that hit. He realized he could've died at that drug den when he went there with Risa (and Nicki later angrily reminded him of that once he was safely back at the studio).
Hm, it's a realistic possibility for a character in this kind of situation, but I think it would be a terrible ending for the protagonist in a VN and would just piss off and confuse players for no real gain in story or gameplay. I mean, if you were an author, would you tank your own game like that? I'm sure there will be differences in outcomes depending on how you play the MC, just nothing that self-defeating.

It does seem specific dark routes will be a notable exception, though. I guess that will ruin the power fantasy for some dark path enjoyers, but it feels right for the story as well as the MC's arc, and it maintains the believable and internally consistent setting that the author has established (besides just being what the author wants to write, of course). After all, even the most powerful abusers can eventually get caught, and Guy is no where near that level.

Although, I could be wrong, but I think the plan might be that you can get away with darker decisions, as long as you 'play it smart' and don't go too far. I mean, obviously there's a big differences between smacking Ashe around and assaulting Dash and leaving it at that, versus graping everything that walks. :p
 
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Hm, it's a realistic possibility for a character in this kind of situation, but I think it would be a terrible ending for the protagonist in a VN and would just piss off and confuse players for no real gain in story or gameplay. I mean, if you were an author, would you tank your own game like that? I'm sure there will be differences in outcomes depending on how you play the MC, just nothing that self-defeating.

It does seem specific dark routes will be a notable exception, though. I guess that will ruin the power fantasy for some dark path enjoyers, but it feels right for the story as well as the MC's arc, and it maintains the believable and internally consistent setting that the author has established (besides just being what the author wants to write, of course). After all, even the most powerful abusers can eventually get caught, and Guy is no where near that level.

Although, I could be wrong, but I think the plan might be that you can get away with darker decisions, as long as you 'play it smart' and don't go too far. I mean, obviously there's a big differences between smacking Ashe around and assaulting Dash and leaving it at that, versus graping everything that walks. :p
Could also see an ending - probably on the dark path, but possibly on any path, where he ends up back at the convenience store till pondering the decisions he made.
 
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Could also see an ending - probably on the dark path, but possibly on any path, where he ends up back at the convenience store till pondering the decisions he made.
Haha, yeah. And it could be executed in multiple ways, actually; a just desserts ending where we see our protagonist lose his 'empire'; or it could be a return to meager means, except this time he has a much better perspective and outlook on things and has a true romance with one of the LIs (Nicki would be the most meaningful, but anyone really).

Ok, maybe a lot of people would consider that to be a bad ending, but there are plenty of movies where someone goes from poor to rich to poor again, but it ends up being good for the character in the long run. That's sort of what I'm picturing.

Could have multiple good endings really: one where he keeps his wealth and lives the dream happily ever after; and one where he loses it but learns that money isn't as important to him as he once thought; perhaps he ends up giving it all away to those in need or something, becoming Saint Guy :cool:. I like that, actually; not to pressure the author, but I do hope we get a nice variation of endings depending on our choices/preferences. :giggle:
 
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Hm, it's a realistic possibility for a character in this kind of situation, but I think it would be a terrible ending for the protagonist in a VN and would just piss off and confuse players for no real gain in story or gameplay. I mean, if you were an author, would you tank your own game like that? I'm sure there will be differences in outcomes depending on how you play the MC, just nothing that self-defeating.

It does seem specific dark routes will be a notable exception, though. I guess that will ruin the power fantasy for some dark path enjoyers, but it feels right for the story as well as the MC's arc, and it maintains the believable and internally consistent setting that the author has established (besides just being what the author wants to write, of course). After all, even the most powerful abusers can eventually get caught, and Guy is no where near that level.

Although, I could be wrong, but I think the plan might be that you can get away with darker decisions, as long as you 'play it smart' and don't go too far. I mean, obviously there's a big differences between smacking Ashe around and assaulting Dash and leaving it at that, versus graping everything that walks. :p
Between serial rapist Guy threatening people and waving money in their faces and Lucien meeting the victims himself, in public, I don't know which is the dumbest villain. But, I hope both end up bleeding to death from their assess in prison :cautious::Kappa:
 
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