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To be fair, we don't know for sure what exactly queen does out of the stage. Yes, we saw her 3 times, 2 of which were in that dark room, but MC isn't spying for her or anything, so how can we know what she's doing during the day? Can't disagree about her being too pretentious though.
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Whats wrong with that? Guardians of Viridice sit in Viridice, so as Homaspernia. You are the highest authority, you have a huge ass continent to watch for. There is no time to just walk around doing... things? Yes, I cant confirm that Orphelith is busy all day everyday, but if it turns out to be untrue, I'll blame the story writer, because I won't believe that just one Sheina frees Orphelith hands from all her duties.
Is she not better than most though? She wields the biggest power and rules the biggest kingdom. Her ego is justified in my opinion. She acts exactly like one would being an absolute authority, not even the worst way I must say.
But Sheina represents the interests of Timfalme, so as her queen's, no?
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Wait, Timfalme was founded 3500 years ago, her husband passed 100 years before the events of the game iirc. Emblem of Timfalme was made long before their marriage. Anyway, I agree, living that long, seeing lives lost in wars and bearing the rule of a continent probably will erode any signs of innocence and optimism in anyone.
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The "presently no wars" part is quite literally a "calm before the storm" type of situation. Like the couple decades of peace between WW1 and WW2.
And to point out - these rules don't work. Wars did happen in the past, during Queen's rule, and are going to keep happening in the future.
Having diplomats like Sheina handle visits and meetings in her place does in no way indicate she's lacking connections. She also doesn't stay in her castle 24/7, she mentioned that she visited other towns and cities within Timfalme. You don't stay a queen for over 3 millennia by sitting on your ass and doing nothing all day.
She has great eyesight, she wouldn't accidentally step on someone.
The dark room was silly but it was just done for dramatic effect, I don't think you should think too deeply about it.
War is always going to happen, you cannot stop war, especially with such disparate species all living on the same continent. The MC on Croix's path just got a taste of that with the vampires- it's not like IRL where everyone's human with mostly superficial differences, you've got vampires that can't help but drink every last drop of a person if they find them too delicious, it's small wonder they're treated with suspicion and caution.
And yeah, wars happened even after the Guardian decree- they continued to happen after the Geneva Convention too, but I think we can both agree it's better that people aren't having their flesh melted off their bones in trenches IRL, just as it's better that one nation can't team up with another nation and then mobilize to wipe out another nation without any warning in-setting.
I'm not saying she's perfect, because she aint- I'm not even saying I like her, because I don't- but what I am saying is that it's easy to criticize and say "do better", but ultimately that's a nothing statement because it says nothing, it contributes nothing.
Here's an example, something I would think the queen could do to better benefit neutral kingdoms is this: send undercover ambassadors (so normal size) to neutral territories, ones who can defend themselves, and inform all the other kingdoms of it- say the kingdom of Timflame is investigating a matter in neutral territory undercover, and are not to be disrupted. On paper this doesn't sound like much, but that's where politics come in- now suddenly, if a giantess attacks, Timflame can claim that their citizen was assaulted and can legally take action against the offending giantess.
Now unfortunately even if that idea was put forth to the queen she'd turn it down because she's a bitch, but that's a point of fair criticism to make against her, not just "um there are wars between these incredibly unalike nations with nigh-opposite cultures so she bad".
Nah, the problem isn't that there are different species and cultures, but that the Queen "unified" the continent by using brute force. Never doing anything to actually work out the differences between the kingdoms. It's like putting a bunch of rabid dogs into one small cage. Basically like IRL big empires crumbled from within, because conquered minorities kept starting rebellions.
I am sure that if the continent wasn't under Queen's boot, at least Keisiema and Viridice would've formed a defensive alliance. Which would've served as insurance against Lycalis or Homaspernia doing dumb shit, like say, starting another war.
But since Queen wants everyone to "play fair" - it's free for all. That's why wars will never stop.
Queen must be dethroned and all kingdoms must get their independence, for there to be a real chance for lasting peace.
Empire Must Die.
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Get the guillotines!
The little people will inherit the earth!
Down with the monarchy!
Humans will rein supreme!
i understand the idea and the reasoning has it's fair share of logic, the problem is other kingdoms could use it too for other purposes, homaspernia specifically. they're already kidnapping people from neutral territory, let's avoid allowing them to do it legally now (i would say Lycalis too, but they're a bunch of muscle heads, it's already a miracle if 2 of their neurons connect)
It is legal for them to kidnap people from neutral territory, that's the point- neutral territory doesn't fall under the protection of any of the recognized kingdoms, so Hornsperia can raid it with impunity. There'd be absolutely zero point or purpose for Hornsperia to rely on such politics when nobody has any issue with them doing it already
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If the queen only rules her own country and didn't really do anything about the others then I can see this. But, from what I'm remembering, she has influence over the entire continent and was the one that brought it all together. Thus, she has a certain responsibility because of such. It's like she went to the sandbox, told all the other kids to play fair, and when they started fighting again she does nothing. Given this, "do better" is exactly the right word, because right now she's not doing anything in regards to other countries, at least something would be nice.
It's more of a confederacy she's running- and just in case, no, a confederacy isn't a government that supports slavery (necessarily) it's a nation with a weak central government, with its states or districts given greater autonomy to rule themselves. I think it's pretty evident that there will be a reveal on her or another route saying that she probably did have a heavier hand in the past, and it led to some catastrophe- the writers are pretty good about justifying character behaviors.
That all said, you're still just saying "do better" which is still worthless, like what would you do? What would you do to get everyone on the continent to hold hands and sing kumbaya and all play getalong games like the Teletubbies?
What you definitely shouldn't do is using your iron fist to force everyone to "get along". We already see ingame what ends up happening.
European Union wasn't created by a Tyrant conquering entirety of Europe, but by cooperation and desire for peace.
I can easily imagine a situation where Keisiema, Viridice and Timfalme form a non-aggression pact, and Lycalis staying neutral.
And maybe neutral territories consolidating and forming a giantess-free kingdom of their own.
Leaving only Homaspernia as a constant reminder for the rest of the continent that they need to cooperate a little harder.
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Every kingdom has their own laws, own government structure (matriarchs, the elders, kings), probably own currency and rights to live their own way, even if it leads to a war. That's the most opposite of "unified by brute force" there could ever be. Seriously, the only Timfalme rule that applies to every kingdom is "Do not eradicate each other completely pls", which includes having only 2 guardians.
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Finnaly, a shining light in this world of darkness.
The amount of people who think that politics are easy is actually scary.
And then Homaspernia accuses Timfalme in espionage, the public is becoming paranoid about this, and as a result, the old problem will not go away, but a new one will appear. Timfalme might be the strongest, but they're not all-powerfull, and getting such a political leverage against themselves will surely become quite of a nuisance.
Or another situation: ambassador gets killed by bandits that live in neutral town. Then what? Judge murderers by Timfalme's law? On a neutral territory, that has no authority? Sounds like an obivous law imposition.
In politics even the most accurate and safe move might lead to an incalculable number of possible outcomes, that's why sometimes it's better to not do anything at all.
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If only it was as easy as sandbox with kids playing.
If Timfalme will force peace between two nations with their own army:
1) They will loose their men, and loosing life for an abstract goal of "retaining peace between other nations I don't belong to and not really care" doesn't sound very inspiring if you ask me.
2) They will get themselves at least 1 enemy, because in wars there are always "proud defenders" and "militant attackers". One or even both of them will blame you for defending the agressors.
3) Their actions will look biased for other kingdoms. Imagine if, for example, Timfalme would first help Keisiema against Homaspernia, and then Viridice against Lycalis. Lycalians and Homaspernians will start thinking that "big brother" (or in this case "big sister") is definitely not on their side, so why not unite to fight back?
That's why Timfalme only involve when the reason to help is as clear and fair as possible, like complete defenselessness of one of the sides, which still not fix some of the problems I mentioned though.