VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[Deleted member 929426]

Uh... maybe I missed this, but where? Lin makes it kind of clear the amount she makes streaming with Maria is beyond her wildest expectations, and I don't see her spending money on herself without asking MC to cover the cost.

I'm assuming Lin is getting some sort of salary. How else do you explain the MC getting just $5 rent from the tenants?

 

[theOrangeEmperor]

Uh... maybe I missed this, but where? Lin makes it kind of clear the amount she makes streaming with Maria is beyond her wildest expectations, and I don't see her spending money on herself without asking MC to cover the cost.

TBF, my recollection comes from Discord which I may have misremembered or misinterpreted. That said, even if I'm wrong on that aspect, it doesn't change the overall argument since the other facets presume a slave salary of 0.

 

[SpikyHair]

I'm assuming Lin is getting some sort of salary. How else do you explain the MC getting just $5 rent from the tenants?

Upkeep costs and cutthroat-pricing to have ANY customers to stay afloat?

Don't forget at the very start he needs to support not just himself (and improvements to the hotel, aside from its daily maintenane) but both Lin and Ellen, Lin cooks for everyone... Later on you get "sure you can live here for free" bunch of free-loaders, too

That said, even if I'm wrong on that aspect, it doesn't change the overall argument since the other facets presume a slave salary of 0.

Eh... if even the most "progressive" MC doesn't really let Lin participate in the economy that much, I doubt slaves getting any kind of wage is something common-place.

Sure, it's a non-zero participation (food and clothing alone), but wouldn't exactly count it as significant. Kind of like people working nowadays in the US are increasingly squeezed into "bare essential only" lives, and the impact this kind of wealth inequality has on our real-life economy.

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[Deleted member 929426]

Upkeep costs and cutthroat-pricing to have ANY customers to stay afloat?

Don't forget at the very start he needs to support not just himself (and improvements to the hotel, aside from its daily maintenane) but both Lin and Ellen, Lin cooks for everyone... Later on you get "sure you can live here for free" bunch of free-loaders, too

It does make me wonder how much of a "cut" Ellen gets.

 

[SpikyHair]

It does make me wonder how much of a "cut" Ellen gets.

Bed and board, and 12 hours of standing at the reception desk?

At least Lin gets taken out from time to time, and sexy time on regular basis.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

Bed and board, and 12 hours of standing at the reception desk?

You forgot having to witness some of our shenanigans in the lobby.

One nice thing about Lin is that you can make an extra $10 simply by having her take off her top at the cafe.

 

[SpikyHair]

You forgot having to witness some of our shenanigans in the lobby.

I'm truly shocked Maria hasn't yet taken advantage of the entire situation. She certainly was highly attracted to Ellen, and it's Maria.

You'd expect her working under that desk on semi regular basis, at the very least.

One nice thing about Lin is that you can make an extra $10 simply by having her take off her top at the cafe.

Meanwhile Kali and Ashley not just go fully nude, but Kali also get boned right there and then, and nobody tosses a dime their way.

So much anti-human discrimination!

 

[Deleted member 929426]

I'm truly shocked Maria hasn't yet taken advantage of the entire situation. She certainly was highly attracted to Ellen, and it's Maria.

You'd expect her working under that desk on semi regular basis, at the very least.
Meanwhile Kali and Ashley not just go fully nude, but Kali also get boned right there and then, and nobody tosses a dime their way.

So much anti-human discrimination!

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Maria and Ellen are plotting some sort of revenge upon us at a later date.

 

[ankhtar]

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Maria and Ellen are plotting some sort of revenge upon us at a later date.

Knowing Maria, she's plotting against us AND Ellen.

 

[IncubusDreams]

This is one of my first games of this type, and so far it has been a blast. Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 929426]

Knowing Maria, she's plotting against us AND Ellen.

It wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Runey]

Upkeep costs and cutthroat-pricing to have ANY customers to stay afloat?

Don't forget at the very start he needs to support not just himself (and improvements to the hotel, aside from its daily maintenane) but both Lin and Ellen, Lin cooks for everyone... Later on you get "sure you can live here for free" bunch of free-loaders, too
Eh... if even the most "progressive" MC doesn't really let Lin participate in the economy that much, I doubt slaves getting any kind of wage is something common-place.

Sure, it's a non-zero participation (food and clothing alone), but wouldn't exactly count it as significant. Kind of like people working nowadays in the US are increasingly squeezed into "bare essential only" lives, and the impact this kind of wealth inequality has on our real-life economy.

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Yeah, you don't have to pay your slave anything, but a lot of people do because it's great incentive to keep them working. With a paycheck, they can have future goals. Their paychecks, if any, are usually cents on the hour. Just enough for them to think "Maybe in a couple of years, if I do good enough work, I'll be able to afford something nice."

 

[TheDevian]

The base of this conversation revolves around how slavery is handled in harem hotel, so I think it's fine.
In Syl'anar's current era, they use slaves for labor. In the case of Lin, MC barely pays her and she does a ton of work. He's a great master relatively though. But Lin is definitely profitable!

Pleasurable too... wait, what?

Yeah, you don't have to pay your slave anything, but a lot of people do because it's great incentive to keep them working. With a paycheck, they can have future goals. Their paychecks, if any, are usually cents on the hour. Just enough for them to think "Maybe in a couple of years, if I do good enough work, I'll be able to afford something nice."

And a couple of years, is like a couple of months to us, so that is not toooo bad.. XD

 

[Porn Pleb]

I'd like to think that I came for the porn but stayed for the plot. Of course, I came after for the Lin (many times and inside, of course).

Couldn't agree more

 

[Porn Pleb]

Really appreciate all the exposition provided here, and effort you put into the world building <3

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I have alot of catching up to do it seems...i obviously was absent for something.

 

[Porn Pleb]

Yeah, you don't have to pay your slave anything, but a lot of people do because it's great incentive to keep them working. With a paycheck, they can have future goals. Their paychecks, if any, are usually cents on the hour. Just enough for them to think "Maybe in a couple of years, if I do good enough work, I'll be able to afford something nice."

That could be a good idea if we want to reward lin with something other then sex...Cornball did stop us from buying that cute outfit.

 

[Porn Pleb]

I'm assuming Lin is getting some sort of salary. How else do you explain the MC getting just $5 rent from the tenants?

I've noticed 5$ goes farther in this world then it does the real world.

 

[Porn Pleb]

I hate to get political here of all places, but I wonder what Runey's politics are.

Now, I get that this is a game, and at a certain point you get to explain away certain problems with "it's fiction.", but I don't think you quite get to do that with the economics of slavery. Plenty of people believe that slavery is beneficial to the slaveowners, but it's not. Slavery did not benefit a country like the US, in fact, the US had more economic growth after slavery was abolished. Slavery doesn't only mean that slaves have it horribly, it also means that the wealthy, the masters, also have it worse than they would if slaves were free - after all, slaves don't have much money to spend, slaves need guards to ensure that they work, and slaves never get to be managers or entrepreneurs or similar, even if that's where they would be the most beneficial to the society. Even in the modern world, there is an obvious difference between the countries that had slavery in 1750 and those that didn't, when comparing their economies.

Slavery doesn't make anyone wealthy or powerful. The "country X is powerful because they have slaves" line is wrong. Slavery is unnecessary. It makes things worse for everyone, and it doesn't make anyone powerful. What improves economies is liberty, freedom to work whatever job you want, to create whatever business people demand and lead it the way you see best, and freedom to trade freely with whomever you want. If slavery worked, you'd see a lot more of it in the wealthiest places on the planet, and you'd never see it abolished. But it doesn't.

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You said it yourself, its fiction. Im not the smartest person to be talking about this. But trying to bring real world facts into a world of fiction is like making a PB&J but the J is petroleum jelly. Yes you can...but its illogical.

 

[Porn Pleb]

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tl;dr: People suck, and are short-sighted enough that Runey's presentation of slavery, even disregarding storytelling prerogative, does not personally strike me as unrealistic.

Edit: I mean:
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I don't want to get too public about my political views, but I am politically active. I lean left and I'm definitely against slavery. HH actually has a few of my political views in there if you look hard enough for them. Kali and her Dad, as well as Lin.

The nation of Syl'anar is a Capitalist Republic, they allow a fully free market with monopolies and slavery, however they're rich enough to afford some social programs, such as socialized health care (only for humans). I try to make it a point to show how a Capitalist Republic has huge flaws but can also have benefits. This isn't my ideal form of government.

The claim that slaves don't help an economy is a very odd one to make. Slaves were used to build the foundations of many nations (I disagree with how it's done) but without slaves you can't exactly jump start a nation. Otherwise you would have treat everyone fairly and that gets in the way of things... (Still would rather everyone be treated equally)

As for the claim that the US economy grew after slaves were freed, that's probably true but a little something called the Industrial Revolution also came at that time. There's no doubt in my mind it's better if no one is a slave, but that's not how history developed. It was profitable to have slaves until it was more profitable to use machines.

That form of slavery is irrelevant in the modern age, modern slavery consists of chinese wage slaves working for scraps to make things cheap for the US. This is also what the Elves in HH do.

And again, while I fully disagree with slavery, it's ignorant to say Slavery doesn't have benefits. An army of warrior slaves makes you powerful, an army of worker slaves makes you wealthy. If you have 1,000 people mining gold for you as you only pay them in bread, do you really think you're not going to become wealthy?

The world of HH explores a time where slavery never stopped and continued into the modern era. This is what modern slavery looks like. People doing labor for scraps and the high class shitting in their golden toilets. In this case, humans.

I make it a point to show how Syl'anar works and that while it works, it's not perfect. It's incredibly stupid to not treat elves equally especially considering the elders of their species are incredibly, incredibly wise. Elves learn slower, but they accumulate more wisdom, they would make great world leaders. But racism persists in this world largely because it makes people like Cornwall powerful and Kali's Dad one of the wealthiest men in the world. And as you know, Kali's Dad himself isn't racist, his wife is half elf, but he supports a racist system that keeps elves enslaved.

Damn I should multi quote more often so i don't spam the thread with 30 individual posts...anyway this whole topic actually brings some new light into the high elf situation. if we exposed the island of elves (as much as i would like to take the queen down a peg) Syl'anar would fight tooth and nail to profit from them. at first I thought it would be a good idea because of treaties made to not start wars with developing nations (as Lin mentioned). but people on the outside know so little about elves that Syl'anar could easily manipulate something to their favor. I'm not sure how Runey is goin to develop the issue down the line but all i know is the MC really needs to be careful about he interacts with the high elves...as well as the powerful people we met. in the future as it could easily backfire (already has in fact). i didn't even think about it like that until now. I'm honestly exited yet terrified to see how this goes.

 

[The Chad WEG Enjoyer]

Jefferson and many other slaveholding Presidents also had impressive net worths. That might not be super-rich, but that's nothing to scoff at.

He (Jefferson) was also in insane amounts of debt, so i'm not sure that's true.