VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

Yeah, all of that remains to be seen and I'm sure Tess has a plan for where she wants to take this, but it certainly (at least to me) casts a new light on most of Olivia's behaviour in the early chapters, e.g. her (feigned?) worries about what could have happened to Seth and Kane or her doubts about her ability to handle her mysterious new job, now that we know she has in fact been specifically trained and prepared for this.

I have two assumptions
The 1st (highly unlikely) is that the whole Olivia cheating thing that came out is one of those mistakes in chapter 6 that Tess mentioned in her post above. But I don't really believe that; I think Tess approaches the dialogues with particular care and scrupulosity.
The second assumption is more straightforward:

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Olivia's first major "moral" decision, as far as I remember, is how to treat her kidnapper when Alessandra offers her the chance for revenge. That decision (again, to me) takes on an entirely different tenor if she knows what is going on and is making a considered, tactical response based on her training, rather than just responding in the moment

Olivia's first major "moral" decision was when she was asked to be a fake policeman and mock people on the streets.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

That pulled me out of the story for a few cuz we was in olivia's mind when she got kidnapped/ offered the job so its a bit of a cheat for her to act the way she did internally.

Also imo, the bigger reveal is that callista is straight lying to her son/ keeping him in the dark, cant imagine that kane would be cool with all that

 

[gregers]

Olivia's first major moral decision was when she was asked to be a fake policeman and mock people on the streets.

By "moral decision" I meant good vs. evil, not the moralityone/moralitytwo flags set by two specific choices on the good path.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

If possible, I would have played as Kane only.

 

[Stan5851]

That pulled me out of the story for a few cuz we was in olivia's mind when she got kidnapped/ offered the job so its a bit of a cheat for her to act the way she did internally.

Firstly, it's not necessarily that Callista has revealed all of Olivia's tasks in great detail at all (I wrote about this in a previous post)

Also imo, the bigger reveal is that callista is straight lying to her son/ keeping him in the dark, cant imagine that kane would be cool with all that

Callista should not interfere directly. I'm more than sure she's already done the best she can for Kane so as not to violate Gambit's terms in doing so. Here is the answer to your question:

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[MilesEdgeworth]

To few male models in Daz, they all look related

Firstly, it's not necessarily that Callista has revealed all of Olivia's tasks in great detail at all (I wrote about this in a previous post)



Callista should not interfere directly. I'm more than sure she's already done the best she can for Kane so as not to violate Gambit's terms in doing so. Here is the answer to your question:

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Perhaps not the kidnapping, but the job offer should've definitely been known about.

Regardless of what her motives were, how would you feel if your mother spent your whole life prepping you for a cruel game that you had no choice on whether or not you'd join? Id be pissed off at such a betrayal But that part falls on the players own feelings of the situation so thats fair enough

 

[lukrame]

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I'm sorry but I don't see killing the karlsson daughters/everyone as evil at all. A 'revenge/re-education' scenario where you just do the same fucked up shit to them wouldn't be satisfying or even morally better because in the end this is just continuing this whole abusive concept of treating humans like trash. Besides I find it funny that the game can even prescribe Kane to be 'evil' or 'good' when he clearly is coerced throughout everything. The game has a problem where it refuses to decouple choice taken with personal preference. It somehow tries to imply that the character must find enjoyment in picking fucked up choices when it could be simply nothing personal and just trying to expedite getting out of a situation where he is a literal slave.



Circling back to the daughters though, These creatures have clearly little regard for human life to the point that its a lost cause to try to even re-educate them. I highly doubt re-education with the same fucked slavery/humilation crap would even teach them that this is fundamentally wrong. Regardless, Even in real life, Many countries don't want to re-integrate people that have raped and killed children/women/people into society.


Ideally, an ending where Dr.Kane prescribes everyone a slow beheading is preferable.

 

[Stan5851]

Perhaps not the kidnapping, but the job offer should've definitely been known about.

Regardless of what her motives were, how would you feel if your mother spent your whole life prepping you for a cruel game that you had no choice on whether or not you'd join? Id be pissed off at such a betrayal But that part falls on the players own feelings of the situation so thats fair enough

You're right, from that point of view Kane has a lot to be offended by. And it seems cynical enough that the Mother (if GK is Callista after all) is forced to abide by Gambit's rules but not give full information to her son. But I'm sure she loves him, constantly keeping a check on what's going on with him. Callista enlists the help of intermediaries (probably Veronica) and she probably has other sources in Joy Facility, but she's a strong woman and does what needs to be done, whatever it takes.

Given how important Kane is to the Karlsson's Group, he (like Olivia) wouldn't have been left alone anyway, so (I assume) he was doomed to this Game from his birth and Callista's escape from Alexander. But Callista managed to bring him up properly, making a decent human being out of him. I'm not excusing her, but imagine the feelings a Mother might feel, having to pretend to be dead to her own son.

Perhaps one day we will still see a family reunion scene in which Callista apologises to Kane and Seth and it will be very touching and we will all shed some tears.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm sorry but I don't see killing the karlsson daughters/everyone as evil at all. A 'revenge/re-education' scenario where you just do the same fucked up shit to them wouldn't be satisfying or even morally better because in the end this is just continuing this whole abusive concept of treating humans like trash. Besides I find it funny that the game can even prescribe Kane to be 'evil' or 'good' when he clearly is coerced throughout everything. The game has a problem where it refuses to decouple choice taken with personal preference. It somehow tries to imply that the character must find enjoyment in picking fucked up choices when it could be simply nothing personal and just trying to expedite getting out of a situation where he is a literal slave.



Circling back to the daughters though, These creatures have clearly little regard for human life to the point that its a lost cause to try to even re-educate them. I highly doubt re-education with the same fucked slavery/humilation crap would even teach them that this is fundamentally wrong. Regardless, Even in real life, Many countries don't want to re-integrate people that have raped and killed children/women/people into society.


Ideally, an ending where Dr.Kane prescribes everyone a slow beheading is preferable.

I think we play different games. In my KG, my MC Dom doesn't feel like a slave and makes the decisions that are close to him. In Good Dom's main playthrough no one has humiliated the MC, and the MC himself has tried to show his best side. I haven't seen any shitty decisions in this game so far (and no one is forced to make decisions that are truly Evil). Аnd there really are a lot of different choices (variables) leading to completely different consequences.

If you want to learn about a game where there really is no choice (it's like there is, but it's actually a sham and the MC's failure only leads to the failure of the quest and the entire storyline), then play Fashion Business. And Karlsson's Gambit is perfectly fine with the decisions, in my opinion. Perhaps you just don't like the femdom themes and this utopian world. Try playing another game, why torture yourself like that?

 

[TessSadist]

Perhaps not the kidnapping, but the job offer should've definitely been known about.

Regardless of what her motives were, how would you feel if your mother spent your whole life prepping you for a cruel game that you had no choice on whether or not you'd join? Id be pissed off at such a betrayal But that part falls on the players own feelings of the situation so thats fair enough

No time to get to everything, but all I would say is that perhaps it's not Kane or Olivia that is driving her actions but Seth. And is she really in control? Sometimes, someone may gamble that some small chance for three is greater than a stronger chance for two but guaranteeing the third goes down. Callista does not know everything anyway -- certainly she has not shared everything with Olivia, and even Olivia is not aware of everything either -- one needs to be very precise with statements/fact and not context/conclusions from clues/dialogue. Easiest example is there is a chasm of difference between knowing The Karlsson Group is coming for you with some nebulous idea of being "tested" (and even knowing another person is important somehow according to yet another person telling you) versus actually knowing why/what the exact details are, etc. Would Callista even know that level of detail anyway?

Anyway, have a great week all! I'm getting too slammed to be good on here as I'm taking a very far off trip in July and prepping all my business stuff ahead of time too...I may still try and share some images before I go!

 

[X_Alascato]

is the male MC able to get above k8?

 

[Stan5851]

is the male MC able to get above k8?

Yes.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

is the male MC able to get above k8?

yes. K9 is highest one as of now

 

[X_Alascato]

yes. K9 is highest one as of now

ok thanks. Just got there

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

No time to get to everything, but all I would say is that perhaps it's not Kane or Olivia that is driving her actions but Seth. And is she really in control? Sometimes, someone may gamble that some small chance for three is greater than a stronger chance for two but guaranteeing the third goes down. Callista does not know everything anyway -- certainly she has not shared everything with Olivia, and even Olivia is not aware of everything either -- one needs to be very precise with statements/fact and not context/conclusions from clues/dialogue. Easiest example is there is a chasm of difference between knowing The Karlsson Group is coming for you with some nebulous idea of being "tested" (and even knowing another person is important somehow according to yet another person telling you) versus actually knowing why/what the exact details are, etc. Would Callista even know that level of detail anyway?

Anyway, have a great week all! I'm getting too slammed to be good on here as I'm taking a very far off trip in July and prepping all my business stuff ahead of time too...I may still try and share some images before I go!

Admittedly, Im likely way off about Olivia and Callista and I probably jumped the gun as to what they may or may not know due to one scene.
However, my theory about Kane's involvement hasnt changed. Ive always thought that she got her other two kids involved in the game to save seth because veronica is the only one who can do so. I was just looking at this from kanes perspective and how he would feel about being forced into such a situation as well as being denied luxuries from an early age. I can see how he would feel betrayed even if Callista doesnt see it that way.

 

[Allan Trumbull]

How many new scenes added to the game since v0.6.0 beta ??

 

[Stan5851]

No time to get to everything, but all I would say is that perhaps it's not Kane or Olivia that is driving her actions but Seth. And is she really in control? Sometimes, someone may gamble that some small chance for three is greater than a stronger chance for two but guaranteeing the third goes down. Callista does not know everything anyway -- certainly she has not shared everything with Olivia, and even Olivia is not aware of everything either -- one needs to be very precise with statements/fact and not context/conclusions from clues/dialogue. Easiest example is there is a chasm of difference between knowing The Karlsson Group is coming for you with some nebulous idea of being "tested" (and even knowing another person is important somehow according to yet another person telling you) versus actually knowing why/what the exact details are, etc. Would Callista even know that level of detail anyway?

Anyway, have a great week all! I'm getting too slammed to be good on here as I'm taking a very far off trip in July and prepping all my business stuff ahead of time too...I may still try and share some images before I go!

I hope that one day we won't have to choose which of these three to let live and which to kill. At least, such a choice, in my opinion, is definitely not appropriate for a conventional 'good ending'. So far, as I see it, Seth's personality, his character and his true mental faculties are still not revealed, and indeed we don't know much about him at all when compared to Olivia or Kane. And so far, Seth evokes only pity and sympathy due to his illness and relative helplessness. Perhaps the right thing to do would be to let Veronica heal him and get him actively involved in Gambit already. The Gambit Queen at the Temple mentioned that not only Olivia and Kane are important to Gambit, but that Seth is also important, but what Seth is really important to Gambit (unless this "importance" was only dictated by maternal concern for the future of the handicapped child) I don't yet understand. Although I accept that you don't plan to make Seth a fully independent player of Gambit and he will remain either a toy for the sadistic women or a protected "brother" for Olivia. But since in this world you have created, the weak do not survive or are forced to grovel before the strong-willed, it may be time to decide his fate.

 

[FinrayB]

They are not at all biologically related. They are not yet aware of this, at least Kane isn't (I'm not entirely sure about Olivia after 0.6's opening) but I expect the bomb to probably drop next update.

Even so, I try to avoid any type of encounter like that in the game....Makes me queasy...yea thats a big nope for me even if they turn out unrelated. But then again, that speaks positively about the immersion and it may make a more intriguing story in the end. Regardless, the weirdness is there haha.

Hey Tess, Where are the hot thigh highs from the earlier Ep's?..like Pat,Sam and Sonya...ha idk those sorta made a mark on me with this game, like a sig

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I hope that one day we won't have to choose which of these three to let live and which to kill. At least, such a choice, in my opinion, is definitely not appropriate for a conventional 'good ending'. So far, as I see it, Seth's personality, his character and his true mental faculties are still not revealed, and indeed we don't know much about him at all when compared to Olivia or Kane. And so far, Seth evokes only pity and sympathy due to his illness and relative helplessness. Perhaps the right thing to do would be to let Veronica heal him and get him actively involved in Gambit already. The Gambit Queen at the Temple mentioned that not only Olivia and Kane are important to Gambit, but that Seth is also important, but what Seth is really important to Gambit (unless this "importance" was only dictated by maternal concern for the future of the handicapped child) I don't yet understand. Although I accept that you don't plan to make Seth a fully independent player of Gambit and he will remain either a toy for the sadistic women or a protected "brother" for Olivia. But since in this world you have created, the weak do not survive or are forced to grovel before the strong-willed, it may be time to decide his fate.

Seth's role beyond the obvious is that he's the backup if Kane proves himself unworthy. Only way I see him dying is if Kane gets bloodthirsty and wants to remove any threat to his rule. Other than that he should be relatively safe.
Honestly, I believe that the only way any of the main three die is if the player wants them to die. Other than that they should be fine, well maybe not fine, but at least alive and kinda well.

 

[lonewolf1993]

Stupid question. whats the difference between part 1 & 2 of the downloads?