VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

Slightly edited my post to make it clearer. I wasn't asking if it was Amara, but if we will ever see Amara on Good Dominique.

Ahhhh gotya.

I would say no, never...unless she has a serious change of heart. This is the beauty of playing all the paths I feel. I've always maintained, if you take kane out of the sub path...everything that happens in that path, still happens. We just don't see it. Likewise, if you turn Dominique evil...even if you don't pursue her...she still does what she does.

But even on her good path, Kwame is never getting out of the program....ever....being allowed to live with the promise of saving his family is actually worse than having them all killed. Amara is never getting free, Kwame is never getting an exec position...personal servant at best.

I think seeing Amara on the good Dominique path would be....surprising. Not to say it won't happen...if we can convince her in the future perhaps to be lenient (especially if we rid ourselves of a few board members)...but honestly IMO...that family is fucked unless we can intervene ourselves.

 

[Maviarab]

I'd have to speedrun it to confirm... but I don't think that's possible bud. Are you sure? If memory serves there's one way to get K9 right now... I'd have to confirm though, it's been a minute.

Impossible (without cheating) to hit K9 without getting Dominique's sponsorship (and JunkoRomanceOpen) first as you lose Dominique fast-tracking you to K7 on GD04. Without hitting K7 from Dominique on the first Program Day (PD01)/Joy Facility Day 2..... you ain't getting to K9 by Ep.7

 

[Jacowboy]

Impossible (without cheating) to hit K9 without getting Dominique's sponsorship (and JunkoRomanceOpen) first as you lose Dominique fast-tracking you to K7 on GD04. Without hitting K7 from Dominique on the first Program Day (PD01)/Joy Facility Day 2)..... you ain't getting to K9 by Ep.7

No, I did... no cheats... I did follow a WT, tho... I started at K6, then got K7 after 1st eval, then got bumped 2 tiers at the 2nd eval to K9... I'm pretty sure you don't even need a sponsor to reach K9, actually... you just need perfect scores at the evals.

 

[YuNobi1]

Well yeah I got to K9 with just Veronica's sponsorship, so levels are not an issue it seems. I was just wondering if it was any real use yet.



Well that's something I guess (still needs a proper logo)... now let's hope you do a good job =P

Impossible (without cheating) to hit K9 without getting Dominique's sponsorship (and JunkpoRomanceOpen) first as you lose Dominique fast-tracking you to K7 on GD04.

If she asks me, but 20 years Photoshop use...I don't think I'll have any problems


Heh I hear you...understand, probably for the best, and thanks

I'd have to speedrun it to confirm... but I don't think that's possible bud. Are you sure? If memory serves there's one way to get K9 right now... I'd have to confirm though, it's been a minute.

According to the walkthrough:
Day 5 Evaluation

Step 1
IF Zpoints < 4 OR Chanel > 2
THEN Chanel recommends K7 (regardless of current rank).

Step 2
IF Chanel recommends K7
AND SisTeam > 2
AND SisBro > 0
THEN Kane = K8

So as long as you start Ep. 6 with K8, and you do the manager training correctly, you should get K9 by Ep. 7 start regardless of your sponsor.

 

[Sancho1969]

Quickly eyeballed my notes (they're old, with many revisions as I worked but basically):

Ep6 is where K9 is set.
Sponsor doesn't matter.
Julliette/Domonique/Veronica Grade Points are tallied to be awarded DomThronePoints.
It takes 8 DomThronePoints to get K9 ("Dom" meaning dominate in this variable).

The only way DomThronePoints are awarded:

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DomThronePoints(8) to KLevel. This is the only way to make k9 True:

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DomThronePoints are the absolute key here, you must have 8 (or more technically which isn't possible) to get to K9.. it's the only way the variable is ever set to True in the entire VN to date.

Edited for more description and clarity, and corrections.

 

[Jacowboy]

bruh...

(again, no Dominique sponosrship, no Junko romance, just Veronica sponsorship... oh and no cheats obviously).

 

[Jacowboy]

Quickly eyeballed my notes (they're old, with many revisions as I worked but basically):

Ep6 is where K9 is set and you need max Domonique for the K9, otherwise you're K8 or less.
Player can only receive max Jul or max Ver pnts (between the two) and needs max Dom's pnts too.
It takes 8 DomThronePoints to get K9 ("Dom" meaning dominate in this variable).
The only way DomThronePoints are awarded:

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DomThronePoints (8) to KLevel. This is the only way to make k9 True:

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DomThronePoints are the absolute key here, you must have 8 (or more technically which isn't possible) to get to K9.. it's the only way the variable is ever set to True in the entire VN to date.

Don't know what to tell you, but I installed your mod on Ep8 and took a screenshot so you can see the variables I get when I import my savefile:



Not sure what those "domtrhone" points are, but as you can see, I didn't get Dominique's sponsorship and I have negative Junko points (since I banged Channel in the jacuzzi scene)...

 

[Maviarab]

No, I did... no cheats... I did follow a WT, tho... I started at K6, then got K7 after 1st eval, then got bumped 2 tiers at the 2nd eval to K9... I'm pretty sure you don't even need a sponsor to reach K9, actually... you just need perfect scores at the evals.

According to the walkthrough:
Day 5 Evaluation

Step 1
IF Zpoints < 4 OR Chanel > 2
THEN Chanel recommends K7 (regardless of current rank).

Step 2
IF Chanel recommends K7
AND SisTeam > 2
AND SisBro > 0
THEN Kane = K8

So as long as you start Ep. 6 with K8, and you do the manager training correctly, you should get K9 by Ep. 7 start regardless of your sponsor.

Not sure how I've missed/forgot that to be honest...(I've even done no meet Dominique runs too lol) *shakes head*

I concede you are correct though

Apologies all round *holds hands up*

 

[Sancho1969]

Here, I just


Don't know what to tell you, but I installed your mod on Ep8 and took a screenshot so you can see the variables I get when I import my savefile:

View attachment 3411290

The problem here being that the stat screen does not display each sponsor's grades. That is only shown in the MiniStat screen before the KLevels are awarded... that's likely the most important data. I'll check on my end real quick... the VN's code is what it is though, so I might be mistaken regarding Jul/Ver grade points and their mixing.

 

[Jacowboy]

The problem here being that the stat screen does not display each sponsor's grades. That is only shown in the MiniStat screen before the KLevels are awarded... that's likely the most important data. I'll check on my end real quick... the VN's code is what it is though, so I might be mistaken regarding Jul/Ver grade points and their mixing.

No clue, I just followed the WT posted on page 1 here... That said, I just played the game yesterday/today... maybe there were changes made to S1? No clue...

I can tell you from memory I went for a Veronica sponsorship for story purposes and I didn't want Junko romance 'cause I wanted to dick everything freely... I passed all tests perfectly... I chose Veronica for 1st activity, saved the nurse, and then Dominique for 2nd activity and passed both activities perfectly.

I went from K6 start, to K7 channel recommendation, to K9 after the 2 manager training sessions ...

 

[YuNobi1]

Quickly eyeballed my notes (they're old, with many revisions as I worked but basically):

Ep6 is where K9 is set and you need max Domonique for the K9, otherwise you're K8 or less.
Player can only receive max Jul or max Ver pnts (between the two) and needs max Dom's pnts too.
It takes 8 DomThronePoints to get K9 ("Dom" meaning dominate in this variable).

The only way DomThronePoints are awarded:

Spoiler: Code

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DomThronePoints(8) to KLevel. This is the only way to make k9 True:

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DomThronePoints are the absolute key here, you must have 8 (or more technically which isn't possible) to get to K9.. it's the only way the variable is ever set to True in the entire VN to date.

Edited for more description and clarity.

The problem here being that the stat screen does not display each sponsor's grades. That is only shown in the MiniStat screen before the KLevels are awarded... that's likely the most important data. I'll check on my end real quick... the VN's code is what it is though, so I might be mistaken regarding Jul/Ver grade points and their mixing.

The "d/v/jgrades" aren't related to sponsors but how Kane performed in each sister's manager training sessions. Max points come if you do everything the sister wants you to do/you impress that sister (i.e. Veronica doesn't want you to save Maria, but it impresses her). You can only do 2 out of the 3 sisters. The fact that they are optional sponsors is pure coincidence, as you can do training with a non-sponsor (on my Dominica run, you don't get Veronica's sponsorship until after she shows Kane the room, which only happens if you save Maria).

 

[Sancho1969]

Quickly eyeballed my notes (they're old, with many revisions as I worked but basically):
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I'll have to edit this post a tad... I forgot, regardless of the sponsor Veronica is mandatory and it's Juliette or Domonique that one must choose to get the next set of grade points. Edit: replied to post corrected.

You can totally K9 without Domonique as sponsor... hell, you don't need any sponsor:

In the above I had Domonique as a sponsor but ditched her to work for Juliette. Result is no sponsor but chose correctly to be awarded enough overall grade points (the MiniStat keeps track and guides you).

Jacowboy YuNobi1 - confirmed... no sponsor even required. The MiniStat never lies.

 

[SlowGoesSlow]

The major branch factors to end on k9 dom for 0.7 are strongwalk (for k6 start no slave points) -> high sis/bro or junkoromance with dom sponsor -> pass all the tests. This can be done with any sponsor/goodevildemon path. Basically ditch Jake, be homies with your sister or romance Junko and don't be a dumbass. If you want it really simple.

 

[Jacowboy]

confirmed... no sponsor even required. The MiniStat never lies.

I mean... yeah... I wasn't lying...

Not sure what you need for a "high honors" rating tho... it's possible you need to save the nurse, but maybe just completing any 2 trainings succesfully might do the trick... I'm too lazy to try those paths... but whatevs.

I guess that answers my own question tho, no real point in getting multiple sponsors (or any really) yet, so I'll keep that PT for now I suppose.

 

[Sancho1969]

it's possible you need to save the nurse

For max Veronica grade points yes, you need to save the Reyes... it's in the VN's code.

I mean... yeah... I wasn't lying...

Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.

no real point in getting multiple sponsors

The mod has CriticalPath screens periodically that are 100% sound... and the sponsor cheats are reliable too... so there's options to play around with for all of us (for shortcuts).

 

[Maviarab]

I mean... yeah... I wasn't lying...

Not sure what you need for a "high honors" rating tho... it's possible you need to save the nurse, but maybe just completing any 2 trainings succesfully might do the trick... I'm too lazy to try those paths... but whatevs.

I guess that answers my own question tho, no real point in getting multiple sponsors (or any really) yet, so I'll keep that PT for now I suppose.

For max Veronica grade points yes, you need to save the Reyes... it's in the VN's code.


Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.


The mod has CriticalPath screens periodically that are 100% sound... and the sponsor cheats are reliable too... so there's options to play around with for all of us (for shortcuts).

I conceded in my last post and hold my hands up.

Have no idea how I even forgot that as have done those runs myself....ehhh it's late, it's 2am and my cat bugging me to go to bed (she always wants cuddles at this time heh).

So will apologise to all again...I'm obviously having a moment, so going to bed

See you all tomorrow.

 

[Jacowboy]

Come on man... long day but I never called you a liar. I only asked if you were sure before I checked bud. I had a brain fart that many episodes back. My memory goes to shit every end of year/beginning of new year due to accounting requirements... I hate it. Too much math going on in my brain constantly.

Nah, it's cool, I'm not calling you out... just thought it was funny =P

Also, not gonna lie, it's pretty funny I seem to have discovered another way to K9 having just discovered the game yesterday... I guess my manwhore philosophy never disappoints

But yeah, I'm gonna keep this PT... I called it "chaotic good" which seemed to fit what I was doing... I just stumbled into it because I was trying to fuck as many chicks as possible without getting too many negative values (like cheater points for junko) and staying on the good path, but like, when I think about it, I'm kinda glad I didn't go for the Dominique sponsorship 'cause she doesn't seem to be too trustwhorthy at this point... so fuck her cheating snake ass (but I still dicked her good, obviously).

 

[Sancho1969]

Nah, it's cool, I'm not calling you out... just thought it was funny =P

I didn't take it that way... I was just jabbing back at ya. Anyway, that sponsorship/grade deal has been known forever, I just spaced it out. As I said I eyeballed old notes, and those notes I wrote way before I coded the MiniStat to alert the Player to potential KLevel that changes depending on being on a Dom or Sub route... so I had already done all the analysis at that point and made the MiniStat fully dynamic as you play.

We're all good bud... don't think I'm sore at all, I'm in a good / humorous mood myself so you and I are on the same page. We've been debating silly shit all day so I was bound to slip once or twice while having drinks.

Keep your eye on Veronica too... she's IS a liar or at a minimum too manipulative. YuNobi1 will back me up on that one

 

[Jacowboy]

Well Veronica has been lying, but everyone else has been lying too, so I'm not gonna hate her too much for it... I figured out early on that the "??????" character was Veronica, and she seemed to be the most trust-worthy all throughout, tbh. Yes, she's the uber pragmatic "the end justify the means" character, but she gave me a better vibe than Dominique from the begining.

Actually, in terms of trust I'd go with 1) Veronica, 2) Alessandra, 3) Dominique, 4) Juliette, in terms of the sisters... I'll always trust those who ain't seeking power (at least for themselves) over the rest.

But yeah, I'm sticking with her... plus that flashback with the MC kinda confirmed my bias that she's the "main" Karlsson sister (of the OG 4). I'm not really seeing how she's manipulative in a bad way towards the MC & family at least... but I just played the good dom path, so I'm in her good graces... I can't say how she behaves if you perform like a nice little dumb slave (I would imagine she'd be less nice lol).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I mean, we're only on Day 8 since Elena met Kane in prison. We got PLENTY of time to take over in a 1 month time span. Haha.

Yes that does bring up a quandary: if Callista has believed all these years that Cole was truly dead, why was there a need to hide his identity? Perhaps Callista had to keep all possible association with KG a secret from Kane until the Second Gambit, thus talking about a man whom you met, befriended, fell in love, were intimate with, and lost while and because you were a founding executive of KG, is not something you divulge. The only reason Olivia/Kane/Seth even know that Callista is hiding "father" is their knowledge of anatomy. I'm thinking her death was to fool the Board, because Alexander would certainly have seen through it, and Callista couldn't risk letting Kane slip the truth in a moment of "duress" (and who knows, maybe he talks in his sleep). As for the Gambit, I've stated before that she clearly has no choice in the matter. Her confession to Elena shows that every one of her actions since Kane's conception has been to protect his life, or in tangent to that goal.

Your father was a botanist who I fell in love with but he died before you were born. Not that hard. As for the rest, Elenas done more for her daughter in the short time shes known her than Callista has done for Kane. If Kane survives all this it will be in spite of his mom not because of her