VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

I believe the same Amara stuff happens whether or not you pass her test. Passing her test is basically her showing her true stuff to Kane, if not she'll remain the same conflicted character that gave Veronica pause in supporting her.

This is proved in 0.8 Part 2. Amara being Dominique's captive to keep Kwame in line is cannon. On this, I also presume that Dominique never letting Kwame become anything more than her servant (Amara is just a dangling carrot)...is also a cannon plot.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Look at that caring face!! Dr Chastain becoming one of my favs

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She Interrupts Juliette a bunch of times in the white room

 

[Maviarab]

Dr Chastain becoming one of my favs

Catch up, she always been one of my faves

 

[PickerLewd]

On a related note, I was reminded of an old anecdote that reflects a lot of things that happen on some routes in KG... It's just a joke, so no offense intended.

I've rearranged the characters a bit, and have one named "SSKane" and the other named "Alessa with a strapon".

SSKane: Alessa, what's a "nuance"?

Alessa: - Take your pants off, Kane, I'll show you.

Kane is a little perplexed but takes off his pants. Alessa walks up behind him, shoves her thick dildo in his ass and explains:

"Watch this, Kane. "You've got a dick in the ass, and I've got a dick in the ass...". But!
There's one nuance!

Very funny, although this dialogue is impossible .

A little spoiler for a scene from Season 1 (can't remember which Episode) with Kane suffering in K4.

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[SlowGoesSlow]

Catch up, she always been one of my faves

If only she was more prominent in the dom route.

 

[Maviarab]

If only she was more prominent in the dom route.

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You had to go and remind me slow.....*sighs*.....

 

[PickerLewd]

I'm very lazy about these things, but I have to apply Sancho's fix to my three saves to get them ready for the final version.

It was something unexpected, but I don't think I'll ever install a mod again, so I'm not dependent on it being updated or not. Or only use it in a finished game .

I'll also tell you that I didn't dare use URM on this game for fear of corrupting my many hours of saves, but I am learning by using it on other shorter and simpler games.

 

[Maviarab]

I'm very lazy about these things, but I have to apply Sancho's fix to my three saves to get them ready for the final version.

It was something unexpected, but I don't think I'll ever install a mod again, so I'm not dependent on it being updated or not. Or only use it in a finished game .

I'll also tell you that I didn't dare use URM on this game for fear of corrupting my many hours of saves, but I am learning by using it on other shorter and simpler games.

This is the only VN I used a mod for, unlikely I'll bother with Steely's and yes, URM is such a wonderful tool, for fixing a devs bad code if nothing else.

 

[PickerLewd]

This is the only VN I used a mod for, unlikely I'll bother with Steely's and yes, URM is such a wonderful tool, for fixing a devs bad code if nothing else.

I liked it so much that I ended up installing SanchoMod on other games like Thirty Days, Chasing Sunsets, Summer Scent, etc., so you can imagine the fixes that await me .

 

[Vleder]

I'll also tell you that I didn't dare use URM on this game for fear of corrupting my many hours of saves, but I am learning by using it on other shorter and simpler games.

I never had a bad experience with URM. It runs "on top" of Ren'Py watching what's going on. Only problem that's somewhat frequent is when devs mess with reserved variables... Sometimes devs want to be "innovative" with their coding and we can't see shit of what's going on, but that's uncommon.
One thing I do, when memorizing variables, is renaming them from their cryptic title to an explanation of their meaning. The new title stays only in the .urm file and the original code remains untouched. Very useful to remind me of that important decision on chapter X tagged chXpt1X2etc3!

 

[romo-ice]

I'm very lazy about these things, but I have to apply Sancho's fix to my three saves to get them ready for the final version.

It was something unexpected, but I don't think I'll ever install a mod again, so I'm not dependent on it being updated or not. Or only use it in a finished game .

I'll also tell you that I didn't dare use URM on this game for fear of corrupting my many hours of saves, but I am learning by using it on other shorter and simpler games.

I've used URM at this point on something like 30+ games and have run into issues maybe twice. In the worst case you just delete the rpy file and you're good. Now, if you start using URM to muck with variables, and break your saves, can't really work around that. As it stands, I don't play any RenPy VN's without URM installed.

 

[jadepaladin]

URM has changed the way I look at VNs. Now if I bump into an issue, as long as it's tied to a variable or flag I can fix it myself and just make a note to tell someone.
The only time this doesn't work is when it seems unrelated to flags. I ran into one of those in a different VN and I'm having to wait for a fix because it affects how I'd play the story.

URM also means I don't have to wait on people like Scrappy or Sancho (hope he's okay) to update.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

URM has changed the way I look at VNs. Now if I bump into an issue, as long as it's tied to a variable or flag I can fix it myself and just make a note to tell someone.
The only time this doesn't work is when it seems unrelated to flags. I ran into one of those in a different VN and I'm having to wait for a fix because it affects how I'd play the story.

URM also means I don't have to wait on people like Scrappy or Sancho (hope he's okay) to update.

Honestly, it's a shame more do not use/try URM, most are scared off when they see "mod it yourself" when it's really not like that.

You install it, it will show you when a choice pops up and you click it and will show details, sure it doesn't have fancy click the writing in green and don't click the writing in red lol, but still, it's stupid easy to use.

You can make your own incest patch on the fly, all kinds of shit

 

[Maviarab]

sure it doesn't have fancy click the writing in green and don't click the writing in red lol

Universal Choice Descriptor will do similar for those requiring info right there on the decision box. Use both in conjuction with each other (UCD doesn't like sandboxes/free-roams though etc).

 

[Stan5851]

I believe the same Amara stuff happens whether or not you pass her test. Passing her test is basically her showing her true stuff to Kane, if not she'll remain the same conflicted character that gave Veronica pause in supporting her.

This is proved in 0.8 Part 2. Amara being Dominique's captive to keep Kwame in line is cannon. On this, I also presume that Dominique never letting Kwame become anything more than her servant (Amara is just a dangling carrot)...is also a cannon plot.

Well, guys, let's start in order..

So far I only have 2 completed saves out of 10 Dom saves, and it just so happens that the first two completed saves are the ones where my main GreyDom Kane has the dominiquetestpass=true flag. So, of course, I was unaware of Amara's presence in the save where Dominique is conditionally good and where our KaneDom is having a romance with her... So I did another run and chose a save with GoodDom Kane, $dominiquetestpass=false, $dominiqueromanceopen and $revolutionunlock flag (romance with Junko and all that). Overall, I liked this route, maybe it will become a higher priority than it was for me before..

Regarding Amara - yes, she's still a captive, but KaneDom affects the events that happen to him and Dominique anyway, and her attitudes towards certain people in the here and now. Example - a very important choice for Dominique (which, btw, has consequences already in pt2) - to spare the miner or not (in the season 1).. Or the example with Amara - if KaneDom starts a romance with good Dominique, there is no humiliation and domination over Amara (on the part of Kane and Dominique). There are other examples in the here and now, such as in pt2, where Dominique behaves more gently towards Mercy or the same Amara without trying to provoke Kane to piss on her head.

Passing her test is basically her showing her true stuff to Kane, if not she'll remain the same conflicted character that gave Veronica pause in supporting her.

No, it's not consistent with reality. I was not lazy and specifically checked again by doing a fast run. My Kane Dom met Dominique at the pool and told her to think of herself and this is what we got after...
-> -> -> ->

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So as you can see, she's still living with her inner conflict and even Veronica in this case is telling her all the same things she would tell good Dominique.

So Amara's appearance in pt2 on Dominique's good path hasn't changed anything for me, and I still think Dominique's personality will be able to be adjusted for the better (within the given limits delineated by her average level of flexibility that Tess has bestowed upon her).

 

[PickerLewd]

I've used URM at this point on something like 30+ games and have run into issues maybe twice. In the worst case you just delete the rpy file and you're good. Now, if you start using URM to muck with variables, and break your saves, can't really work around that. As it stands, I don't play any RenPy VN's without URM installed.

Yes, I don't use it to change any variables, just to see the requirements for each possible answer (like when we have a greyed out option and we don't know why) and stuff like that.

Although I am learning to modify the texts and remove the black box that many games have, to see if I can unify and have a similar text and fonts in almost all the games .

Universal Choice Descriptor will do similar for those requiring info right there on the decision box. Use both in conjuction with each other (UCD doesn't like sandboxes/free-roams though etc).

It won't work for me, more than half of what I play is sandbox .

And of the non-sandbox games, I have to admit that KG is the most complicated, where you can easily get lost and screw up. Most of them are easy to follow novels with just a few clicks.

 

[Maviarab]

So I did another run and chose a save with GoodDom Kane, $dominiquetestpass=false, $dominiqueromanceopen and $revolutionunlock flag (romance with Junko and all that). Overall, I liked this route, maybe it will become a higher priority than it was for me before..

You cheated on Junko? Bad Stan

 

[jadepaladin]

Dominique is always hard to follow for me because I can't tell how much of it is our influence and how much of it is just us being in different locations based on route/alignment. (I love her, don't get me wrong)
Sub Kane gets whipped by Dominique because of Cole disappearing and her needing to take her frustration out on someone (wonder how Cole will react, if he finds out). Good Dom Kane isn't there to experience her anger, so did she take it out on someone else or did she just not have the urge? It's Schrödinger stuff. Later on you get the scene with Amara in the K3 cells and her alignment determines whether or not she wants Kane to piss on Amara (I think? I haven't done enough variants yet).

Basically, Dominque's personality feels unseen at times, which I guess is her nature. Compared to Juliette who is very "this is what it says on the box."

 

[Maviarab]

Dominique is always hard to follow for me because I can't tell how much of it is our influence and how much of it is just us being in different locations based on route/alignment. (I love her, don't get me wrong)
Sub Kane gets whipped by Dominique because of Cole disappearing and her needing to take her frustration out on someone (wonder how Cole will react, if he finds out). Good Dom Kane isn't there to experience her anger, so did she take it out on someone else or did she just not have the urge? It's Schrödinger stuff. Later on you get the scene with Amara in the K3 cells and her alignment determines whether or not she wants Kane to piss on Amara (I think? I haven't done enough variants yet).

Basically, Dominque's personality feels unseen at times, which I guess is her nature. Compared to Juliette who is very "this is what it says on the box."

Can't disagree with much of that...I would add though in amoment after telling you the pissing is tied the TestPass flag and I think one other iirc (without checking). So for that you do need to be on her DarkPath.

As for the first part...this is one of the beauties of KG for me...and figuring out what happens regardless and what doesn't. Tess herself has stated not everyhing always happens....she gave no further context but this is something (no surprises lol) I have made notes on...

Pretty much, most SubKane content still happens...but without Kane. A great example I've used before is when Olivia meets Kane and Taylor in the new 'requisitioned room' where Pod2 will stay. She leaves shortly after meeting you...she is training slaves. The scene where she is training slaves at that point in the story you see on the SubKane path. So most (not all) of the stuff you see Olivia doing, she is still doing when you are not with her (DomPath), just Kane is not there as he doing Dom/Mangement shizzle. Olivia even says on a couple of ocassions, I'm training your pod today....so whatever happens SubPath...poor Jake and Zach are still doing it.

So, we come to Dominique. This one is a little tricker to piece together but I imagine she probably still does do something yes, just without Kane's involvment if you're on the DomPath. As Stan pointed out before with his great post, Dominique is the single sister we have the most control over (ie, making choices 'as her') but even on the good route with her....she is better. And I think this needs clarifying really, it's bad word play (much like subs/slaves are often used wrongly). There is no good Dominique and I doubt personally, there ever will be. The route should be called, Better Dominique lol...we can make her better than she is but never truly good. Stan showed it himself, she literally says, she is who she is...that's never going to change imo.

Back to Amara and my earlier post, even if we do not see it and do not directly interact with Amara ourselves....Dominique is probably not terribly nice to her lol. We have 2 cannon scenes (one for all players regardless, one specific to DomPath) that shows Amara is her slave. As I said earlier, given this...I see absolutely no reason why what we see/hear on the DarkDomi path regarding Kwame...is also not cannon either. I also doubt that her talk with Kwame regarding 'the whole board' ever happened....she just decided what she decided and you're fucked Kwame...no one else was consulted lol. She probably said to the board, dealt with the insurection, decided to throw Kwame into the program to fuck with him and dangle his family in front of him to also fuck with him even more...and everyone on the board went...lol sure no worries.

Anyway, I've rambled enough, so back to the, what happenes, doesn't...what is Dom like when, I highly urge anyone interested, if they can to have 2 instances of KG open and play a K4 path and a Dom path at the same time....I think you'll find it very interesting as then you can visually see at the same time what changes and when and what always happens (kane being present aside).

Slightly off topic but related:
Leading on from this (necause all things in KG lead to something else)....why do we get Kwame and Jake friend points? At what point are they actually going to come into play...and how...are we really going to free Jake (who by that stage will be completely mind broken) if we get to the top? Will the friend points for Kwame be relevent on all paths?

 

[jadepaladin]

Can't disagree with much of that...I would add though in amoment after telling you the pissing is tied the TestPass flag and I think one other iirc (without checking). So for that you do need to be on her DarkPath.

As for the first part...this is one of the beauties of KG for me...and figuring out what happens regardless and what doesn't. Tess herself has stated not everyhing always happens....she gave no further context but this is something (no surprises lol) I have made notes on...

Pretty much, most SubKane content still happens...but without Kane. A great example I've used before is when Olivia meets Kane and Taylor in the new 'requisitioned room' where Pod2 will stay. She leaves shortly after meeting you...she is training slaves. The scene where she is training slaves at that point in the story you see on the SubKane path. So most (not all) of the stuff you see Olivia doing, she is still doing when you are not with her (DomPath), just Kane is not there as he doing Dom/Mangement shizzle. Olivia even says on a couple of ocassions, I'm training your pod today....so whatever happens SubPath...poor Jake and Zach are still doing it.

So, we come to Dominique. This one is a little tricker to piece together but I imagine she probably still does do something yes, just without Kane's involvment if you're on the DomPath. As Stan pointed out before with his great post, Dominique is the single sister we have the most control over (ie, making choices 'as her') but even on the good route with her....she is better. And I think this needs clarifying really, it's bad word play (much like subs/slaves are often used wrongly). There is no good Dominique and I doubt personally, there ever will be. The route should be called, Better Dominique lol...we can make her better than she is but never truly good. Stan showed it himself, she literally says, she is who she is...that's never going to change imo.

Back to Amara and my earlier post, even if we do not see it and do not directly interact with Amara ourselves....Dominique is probably not terribly nice to her lol. We have 2 cannon scenes (one for all players regardless, one specific to DomPath) that shows Amara is her slave. As I said earlier, given this...I see absolutely no reason why what we see/hear on the DarkDomi path regarding Kwame...is also not cannon either. I also doubt that her talk with Kwame regarding 'the whole board' ever happened....she just decided what she decided and you're fucked Kwame...no one else was consulted lol. She probably said to the board, dealt with the insurection, decided to throw Kwame into the program to fuck with him and dangle his family in front of him to also fuck with him even more...and everyone on the board went...lol sure no worries.

Anyway, I've rambled enough, so back to the, what happenes, doesn't...what is Dom like when, I highly urge anyone interested, if they can to have 2 instances of KG open and play a K4 path and a Dom path at the same time....I think you'll find it very interesting as then you can visually see at the same time what changes and when and what always happens (kane being present aside).

Slightly off topic but related:
Leading on from this (necause all things in KG lead to something else)....why do we get Kwame and Jake friend points? At what point are they actually going to come into play...and how...are we really going to free Jake (who by that stage will be completely mind broken) if we get to the top? Will the friend points for Kwame be relevent on all paths?

There's a lot to cover here so I'll just wing it and it'll be out of order.

I highly doubt Kwame is relevant at all to a Sub Kane. They barely interact at all. For Dom Kane, maybe he becomes useful on a revolution path (feels way too obvious) but some sources of Kwame points come from Kane being not quite the best (K5 vs K6 start). I know better than to dismiss any flag or points because Tess can and will call them up for something. Jake I have no real idea what to do with. On my Dom runs he might as well be a non factor. On sub runs, I tend to try to get some points just in case.

Dominique is the most interesting sister to me (sorry Olivia) because I think things like betrayal are much more evil than general sadism. It gives Dominique layers that the others (except Veronica and Olivia) don't have. Olivia has layers mostly due to player agency. Veronica is the scientist silently at odds with herself. Allesandra is basically just a selfish hedonist. Juilette is...Juliette. Dominique hides her sadism from most and relies on it when she needs it. I also find it hard to accept that Kane can just "change" Dominique so I agree with the idea that he can make her "better." Someone with the temperament Dominique seems to have isn't going to change her stripes because a guy with a decent dick came along. I also agree that the board had nothing to do with Amara...mostly because Amara is a non issue. She's the wife of a guy who gave Dominique trouble so it would be Dominique's problem to solve.

What I want is to be a fly on the wall when conversations happen that should hurt Dominique. Like on an evil Kane run where you punish Junko while fucking Katsumi. I want to know what led to Dominique giving Junko up. I highly doubt anyone could order her to so it had to be for a favor or some type of bet.