VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[HiHaHo]

Well, once again, we come to the debate (or facts) that it really isn't a femdom game at all, it's just dressed up as one. Add in the fact, despite it pissing off a few people around here, there is very little actual femdom in KG anyway, and what there is, is 95% on the SecretSub route anyway (whgich constitues an incredibly small and minor path route).

This was admitted by Tess herself in her own Discord sever, before someone special took it upon themselves to delete all her posts last July(?) because they didn't agree with her, you know, the actual person writing the story.

well i'm no femdom expert in any sense so i wouldn't know "how" much is really in it.
with this amount i already lose interest rapidly so *shrugs*

also about the deleting off message's that's just mods being mods, not like its different on f95 (i like to stir up shit etc. so not new to my messages getting moderated )

 

[Stan5851]

Well, once again, we come to the debate (or facts) that it really isn't a femdom game at all, it's just dressed up as one (and let's be honest here, the dom route was in from the very first update, it's a not new thing suddenly implemented). Add in the fact, despite it pissing off a few people around here because too many people on F95 cannot accept facts, there is very little actual femdom in KG anyway, and what there is, is 95% on the SecretSub route (which constitues an incredibly small and minor path route).

This was admitted by Tess herself in her own Discord sever, before someone special took it upon themselves to delete all her posts last July(?) because they didn't agree with her, you know, the actual person writing the damn story.

Mav you are right and you know very well that I am in complete solidarity with you on this issue. But I deliberately did not develop this topic (about the fact that femdom here is actually slavery (excluding secret sub), and maledom, in fact, also not maledom, but only the route of a confident and assertive man who learns how to manage staff and prepares to participate in the struggle for power over the Karlsson Group.

In the past, when there was a huge shitstorm here on the topic of femdom, we kind of "agreed to disagree"..heh..But if you want to talk about it again, no problem. But I'm afraid it's going to come back to howling and accusations that you didn't give these guys enough links to dictionaries with definitions of the word "femdom".

 

[Stan5851]

also about the deleting off message's that's just mods being mods, not like its different on f95 (i like to stir up shit etc. so not new to my messages getting moderated )

And what's "funny", the mod of her discord also deleted those posts of Tess, where she writes that she herself likes confident men...AFAIR, after this scandalous incident, there was a big message from Tess, where she writes about the inadmissibility of such behavior..Tess's posts seem to have been restored and the perpetrator punished.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Oh lord, lets not discuss such topics like this... It's literally like an a revolving door with those specific topics...

Sub question: Does Jake/Zach have more importance on the sub path because on the dom path there's opportunities to either lose or gain those but they don't seem to have any effect on the game so far

 

[HiHaHo]

And what's "funny", the mod also deleted those posts of Tess, where she writes that she herself likes confident men...AFAIR, after this scandalous incident, there was a big message from Tess, where she writes about the inadmissibility of such behavior...Tess's posts seem to have been restored and the perpetrator punished.

W for Tess.
but yeah some people don't like their idea's and perspectives challenged especially when it makes sense.
good to see Tess acted on it on her discord you can't let these things be or they'll fester cause bigger/more problems later

 

[MagicMan753]

yeah understandably femdom is niche, i believe it comes down to the "natural human behaviour" and such

sure there are actually people who enjoy it ,but i don't think a lot people who'd be into it to the extreme end as displayed in the VN at some points.
(i didn't fully play the sub path fully out , got about half way but had game invite from a friend and well i was just waiting for excuse to drop it)

are there guys who'd be into the Sub path like here in KG? sure but not enough to make a commercial succes.
smart off Tess to actually to add in the Dom route and not make it pure Femdom it does open the door for people who normally won't be interested in that type off content to give it shot (like it did for me)

It's not niche at all, in fact it's a majority of players for this game are sub players. It's just that sub players don't speak up or comment on forums. So you say not a lot of people when actually sub players are the majority of players

As for being a commercial success Tess, doesn't care about the money, she has another job, which rakes in more. She even considered dropping the game after some peopel did things to upset her. In fact after this she plans to make a full on Femdom game again.(Didn't mention if will have dom route but from sounds of it, it won't.)

As for what is and isn't femdom, I am not going to get into that argument, cause there a couple of idiots I have ignored that try to spew their nonsense, try to make a Canon for the game themselves. Those idiots are so tight with Tess, they even got kicked out of the discord by her, thank God, I don't have to deal with them there.

So I think it's Femdom, I am not going to stop people thing what they want or believe, but their are people who will try push their bullshit opinions on others and think they are right when in actuality they know nothing.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Sub question: Does Jake/Zach have more importance on the sub path because on the dom path there's opportunities to either lose or gain those but they don't seem to have any effect on the game so far

Yes, there's more importance with Jake and Zack in the sub path because of how intergral they are in that play style (since you interact with them more...)

 

[jadepaladin]

Who has more point opportunities overall: Kwame, Jake, or Zach?

Intuition leans towards Jake having the most, then Kwame, then Zach.

Dom Kane might have need of Kwame points down the line but it's hard to imagine needing Zach points at all. Pretty sure Zach points are strictly tied to his pod performance and not a relationship with Kane, unlike the other two. Jake points will come into play since even on Dom paths you get the K-pass question which awards points if you don't demote him.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Who has more point opportunities overall: Kwame, Jake, or Zach?

Intuition leans towards Jake having the most, then Kwame, then Zach.

Dom Kane might have need of Kwame points down the line but it's hard to imagine needing Zach points at all. Pretty sure Zach points are strictly tied to his pod performance and not a relationship with Kane, unlike the other two. Jake points will come into play since even on Dom paths you get the K-pass question which awards points if you don't demote him.

Probs different on the sub run through but on the dom run through, you pretty much benefit by pushing Jake away. Other than the beginning when you can get Jake to "suffer" for you if you feed him, there's no benefit to helping him out and plenty of benefit from shunning him/ screwing him over

 

[jadepaladin]

Probs different on the sub run through but on the dom run through, you pretty much benefit by pushing Jake away. Other than the beginning when you can get Jake to "suffer" for you if you feed him, there's no benefit to helping him out and plenty of benefit from shunning him/ screwing him over

There isn't much benefit at the moment to helping Jake on a dom route at the moment. I think Tess has to use them at some point on some path because op the K-pass situation is the end of ep 4, when Kane is well on his way to climbing the ladder. There's no reason to toss points here if Jake is going to be a non-factor. Same with the most recent update, and using Kelly to taunt him with the food. Useless point deduction if Jake isn't going to come into play.

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[Stan5851]

yeah understandably femdom is niche, i believe it comes down to the "natural human behaviour" and such

sure there are actually people who enjoy it ,but i don't think a lot people who'd be into it to the extreme end as displayed in the VN at some points.
(i didn't fully play the sub path fully out , got about half way but had game invite from a friend and well i was just waiting for excuse to drop it)

are there guys who'd be into the Sub path like here in KG? sure but not enough to make a commercial succes.
smart off Tess to actually to add in the Dom route and not make it pure Femdom it does open the door for people who normally won't be interested in that type off content to give it shot (like it did for me)

This guy is a local lunatic, don't take him and the nonsense he spouts seriously...We don't have exact data on the ratio of Dom to Sub players, but according to indirect data from one of the global surveys/poll Tess did, Dom players are about as many (or even slightly more) than Sub players.

 

[Stan5851]

Talking about the ratio of Dom to Sub players. The data is indirect, but overall quite revealing.

Final Results from the poll top 3

1st.I play the dom path and prefer a more normal/dominant harem/romance gaining power Kane without extreme evil. - 97

2nd.I like the sub path, prefer a mix of extreme and gentle - 72

3rd. I play the dom path, and like the extreme evil path, absolutely would miss it. - 67

 

[Maviarab]

Talking about the ratio of Dom to Sub players.

They will still argue with it Stan. Probably tell you to break a mirror or other such idiot unbalanced nonsense.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Does it really matter how many dom players there are compared to sub players/Vice versa? Stop with this unnecessary arguing and just enjoy the game as it is guys… good lord… otherwise the mods will purge this forum…again

 

[HiHaHo]

Does it really matter how many dom players there are compared to sub players/Vice versa? Stop with this unnecessary arguing and just enjoy the game as it is guys… good lord… otherwise the mods will purge this forum…again

i doubt the mods will purge any off the recent messages were on topic and pretty civil about it all.maybe the bit about Tess's discord but i doubt the mods will bother with that

and these discussion are natural with KG as the avn it is.
ether path you take is fine, its not as simple "one is better then the other" we all like different things for different reasons.
but it will lead to certain discussions and conflicting opinions ,apparently even down to the finer details like how much femdom is actually in the game.

as long as noone has a super emotional response and says:"you're just a attention seeking bitch"
it should be drama free ,after all we're just discussing opinions

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Who has more point opportunities overall: Kwame, Jake, or Zach?

Intuition leans towards Jake having the most, then Kwame, then Zach.

Dom Kane might have need of Kwame points down the line but it's hard to imagine needing Zach points at all. Pretty sure Zach points are strictly tied to his pod performance and not a relationship with Kane, unlike the other two. Jake points will come into play since even on Dom paths you get the K-pass question which awards points if you don't demote him.

For sub side, Jake and Zach will have the opportunity to get the same points technically since the Kane will have the majority of the outcome to those characters during the gameshow (die/live/K-Level Placement)

 

[Silver_Crow117]

i doubt the mods will purge any off the recent messages were on topic and pretty civil about it all.maybe the bit about Tess's discord but i doubt the mods will bother with that

and these discussion are natural with KG as the avn it is.
ether path you take is fine, its not as simple "one is better then the other" we all like different things for different reasons.
but it will lead to certain discussions and conflicting opinions ,apparently even down to the finer details like how much femdom is actually in the game.

as long as noone has a super emotional response and says:"you're just a attention seeking bitch"
it should be drama free ,after all we're just discussing opinions

Gosh thank you for expressing that beautiful statement!! I didn’t know any of the in and outs of the forum till now !! sub side still better

 

[HiHaHo]

Gosh thank you for expressing that beautiful statement!! I didn’t know any of the in and outs of the forum till now !! sub side still better

you're welcome

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[MilesEdgeworth]

Does it really matter how many dom players there are compared to sub players/Vice versa? Stop with this unnecessary arguing and just enjoy the game as it is guys… good lord… otherwise the mods will purge this forum…again

Only person that info legit matters to is tess for financial reasons.

I wonder if Anais's game is gonna have a similar split

 

[Rufio]

Talking about the ratio of Dom to Sub players. The data is indirect, but overall quite revealing.

yeah, the full poll was super revealing.

Full poll results
I play the dom path, and love the extreme evil dom path and would be greatly upset losing it.
38


I play the dom path, and like the extreme evil path, absolutely would miss it.
67


I play the dom path and don't care too much about the extreme evil path. I won't miss it too much.
44


I play the dom path and prefer the good path.
47


I play the dom path and prefer a more normal/dominant harem/romance gaining power Kane without extreme evil.
97


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub path, but love the extreme evil path.
8


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, but like the extreme evil path.
13


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, don't care about extreme evil path.
18


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, prefer good path.
19


I play dom path but primarily for secret sub, prefer normal assertive/dominant Kane gaining power/females path.
19


I play mostly/all sub path, but love the extreme evil dom path.
15


I play mostly/all sub path, but like the extreme evil dom path.
16


I play mostly/all sub path, but don't care about the extreme evil path.
25


I play mostly/all sub path, but prefer good dom path.
8


I play mostly/all sub path, but prefer normal Kane assertive/dominant harem/romance path.
13


I play mostly all/sub path, completely ignore the dom path except secret sub
37


I play mostly all/sub path, completely ignore dom path entirely.
23


Side ask from here o n down for research: I like the sub path, prefer more extreme content
59


I like the sub path, prefer a mix of extreme and gentle
72


I like the sub path, prefer a more gentle path generally
19

Dom Options - 293 votes
Sub options - 364 votes

But i suppose it does look very different when you show 3 of the 20 options. Gerrymandering is super powerful with data.