VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

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EpicReee said:
I've said it countless times and I'll say it till the day this game dies (Because let's be honest it'll never finish) : WE ARE WAITING MONTHS UPON MONTHS WITH MULTIPLE DELAYS FOR SOMETHING THAT NOMO HAS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS NOT EVEN 10% OF HIS SKILL AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT THE SUBPAR "REPEATABLE ART" IS HINDERING THE PROGRESS? Naaaah that's 100% a lie, like really. Every single one of those repeatables COMBINED don't even reach the quality of what Nomo draws in actual scenes, theres simply no way he takes that long to draw a couple of those copy-paste sketchlike-lookin excuses of scenes. Like no. I give that a 0.1% to be true. If the update contains "a lot of scenes and poses" as they claim, I bet like 80% of those will be those repeatable minimalistic ones and you bet your ass Nomo did them on the side on the first week of working on the update. Like give me a fucking break here, I'd sooner believe Nomo died and/or left the team and the other 2 are trying to cover it all up than to believe any of those pathetic excuses.

Edit : ON TOP OF THAT, I just learned by scrolling through some old posts that those repeatables aren't even hand drawn by him, they are all assets like he puts those assets in a scene and all he needs to do then is finetune it, YOU CAN'T TELL ME YOU NEED... nah, i'm bout to cop that 1$ tier just to go flame them on discord like holy fuck this is like... you know when someone says something so dumb you're not offended by WHAT they said, but by how stupid it is? Like someone trying to insult you, but failed miserably and you're more offended by the lack of any effort in the insult than the insult itself? That's how I feel about hreinn games
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Sorry to say this, but it's a bit worse than that.

One quest got one art or new repeatable + the repeatables from the past so far. From the picture in the update post you quoted we now know that this quest will ONLY have repeatable art and nothing else.

And strangely enough, these sketchy pictures can take quite some time to make, because Nomo draws tons of assets for each and 90% is not getting used. There are variations for clothing, skin-reddening, facial expressions, items used, accessories and poses and most of them are not implemented and Sabia just gets stripped naked and maybe spanked in every scenario.

Heck, even the groping-art, done 4 years ago for 0.9 still has variations that haven't been used yet and since then Nomo updated the groping pictures to include the new leather armor, the slave armor and the slingshot bikini from way back and these versions haven't even been touched yet (ok, there are 2 cases where we see the ass-groping in the slave armor so far, but everywhere else she is shown naked if you use that armor).

So Nomo has been made to build up an absolutely massive library of assets over the last 3 years and the coding aparenly just can't keep up with it and the writing simply ignores 90% of it outright.
Hreinn wastes its own time so efficiently that somehow with less work they would get more done.

Right now, the last full patch was 0.13, released in september, so 9 months in which time only one out of three quests of 0.14 is out and the second one will apparently only contain repeatables. This is already the longest patch cycle ever, and still we aren't even at 2/3 yet.

If they dropped the concept of repeatable sketches, then Nomo could have drawn 3-3 unique, high quality art for both quests in 0.14 so far and he could have spent 1.5 months to draw each. There is no need for "repeatable" scenes when they take more time to create than "only" drawing good quality.

I know which one i would prefer to have at least.
 
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EpicReee said:
I've said it countless times and I'll say it till the day this game dies (Because let's be honest it'll never finish) : WE ARE WAITING MONTHS UPON MONTHS WITH MULTIPLE DELAYS FOR SOMETHING THAT NOMO HAS PROVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS NOT EVEN 10% OF HIS SKILL AND YOU WANT TO TELL ME THAT THE SUBPAR "REPEATABLE ART" IS HINDERING THE PROGRESS? Naaaah that's 100% a lie, like really. Every single one of those repeatables COMBINED don't even reach the quality of what Nomo draws in actual scenes, theres simply no way he takes that long to draw a couple of those copy-paste sketchlike-lookin excuses of scenes. Like no. I give that a 0.1% to be true. If the update contains "a lot of scenes and poses" as they claim, I bet like 80% of those will be those repeatable minimalistic ones and you bet your ass Nomo did them on the side on the first week of working on the update. Like give me a fucking break here, I'd sooner believe Nomo died and/or left the team and the other 2 are trying to cover it all up than to believe any of those pathetic excuses.

Edit : ON TOP OF THAT, I just learned by scrolling through some old posts that those repeatables aren't even hand drawn by him, they are all assets like he puts those assets in a scene and all he needs to do then is finetune it, YOU CAN'T TELL ME YOU NEED... nah, i'm bout to cop that 1$ tier just to go flame them on discord like holy fuck this is like... you know when someone says something so dumb you're not offended by WHAT they said, but by how stupid it is? Like someone trying to insult you, but failed miserably and you're more offended by the lack of any effort in the insult than the insult itself? That's how I feel about hreinn games
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Pics or never happened. Also show us their reactions, if possible
 
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EpicReee said:
Edit : ON TOP OF THAT, I just learned by scrolling through some old posts that those repeatables aren't even hand drawn by him, they are all assets like he puts those assets in a scene and all he needs to do then is finetune it,
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Well, most artists have always done the assets thing when making multiple variants of an art piece. It makes no sense to redraw the same body repeatedly in one position, when you could draw it once and reuse it for all the variants with that pose. The same thing with any other features, like the color of skin on the partner, toys, clothing, exc. The older pieces were done this exact way (especially in Noxian Nights, where every female character had the same body used).

It's pretty much a standard thing to do across all games. He drew the individual parts (AFAIK, I don't recall anything about Nomo getting another artist to do them) and then puts them together. The issue is that they constantly said these lower quality, more modular pieces were to be used to allow more sex without needing constant, unique art drawn. It's since changed to be pretty much only the modular pieces getting used for all the content they release.
 
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The Minotaur scenes were the best but unfortunatly they are gone and few games properly make them anything other than just yet another random ass scene.
 
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