Ren'Py Completed Long Live the Princess [v1.0.1] [Belle]

[Belle]

@Belle I'm noticing that there's a few things that are probably bugs with the NG+. It seems that despite having courage maxed, there's certain interactions that require you to actually go through the training courage with Thaddeus scene anyways such as some of the stuff to do with Callie. It might be intended game behavior for whatever reason, i dunno, but if it is, then it'd make more sense to lower the courage stat until you repeated the required scene with Thaddeus.

Hmm, it appears that you need 4 courage to initiate Callie's full sex scenes. These things are incredibly difficult to find, so thanks for pointing it out. I have fixed it in the code now, but I don't really see a need for a hotfix right now. As you point out, you can still go through courage training as if it was NG to get around it anyway.

I'm only seeing that one invalid courage check, however. You use Callie's scene as an example, but it's the only such check I can find. Did you spot anything else?

I also had a problem where I got 5/6 charisma points on my first playthrough, but then in NG+ i did everything I could with only 5/6 charisma because the last point never got added from whichever one I had missed. I was stuck one point short and thus couldn't get the scene that requires all six points.

This one looks a little trickier. Judging from a quick glance at the code, I might have made a mistake here that only those who don't max out charisma on their first run will bump into, making it impossible for them to get the maximum. I think the best solution is to change how I calculate charisma in the future. This might be worth a hotfix. I'm going to look into it some more. Thanks.

Technically, the missing charisma point was probably added in your game, but to a variable that is not used in NG+.

 

[Belle]

My head hurts! This charisma problem is turning really complicated because of all the factors I have to keep in mind. It's made even more challenging by some older saves not recording the source of charisma gain. This problem might not be possible to fix in such cases. Still hammering away at this in the hope that I can make a one-size-fits-all solution.

 

[ohmz]

My head hurts! This charisma problem is turning really complicated because of all the factors I have to keep in mind. It's made even more challenging by some older saves not recording the source of charisma gain. This problem might not be possible to fix in such cases. Still hammering away at this in the hope that I can make a one-size-fits-all solution.

Thanks for working on this. I had to edit my save to get to the good end because of the missed charisma point.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

Well not really a big deal, I do find it annoying that if you're skipping past stuff, it jumps back to the screen with the "Look at the town map" and "Return home" buttons rather than staying on the map.

I don't know if there's a way to fix where old saves didn't track where the charisma point came from (which i would think would have several other problems with stuff like the in-game walkthrough that was added), but as far as a fix going forward, I would think the easiest way would be to have each charisma point be a T/F flag and every time one is ticked to "true" then it could recalculate your total score with a basic sub function and save it.

 

[Belle]

Thanks for working on this. I had to edit my save to get to the good end because of the missed charisma point.

It's important to report such bugs when you find them. Don't just assume that I already know.

 

[ohmz]

It's important to report such bugs when you find them. Don't just assume that I already know.

I wasn't sure if it was a bug or if the point was just in some spot I missed. But I will remember to report anyway in the future.

 

[Belle]

Well not really a big deal, I do find it annoying that if you're skipping past stuff, it jumps back to the screen with the "Look at the town map" and "Return home" buttons rather than staying on the map.

This was a quick fix in 0.35 to a change in Ren'py behavior. I had to make it drop back to the menu when skipping because otherwise, you might get stuck on the map screen even when moving to different locations. Right now, it's annoying. Before I made that fix, it was broken.

A better fix is incoming, but it's going to need more development time. I expect the map to behave better in 0.36.

I don't know if there's a way to fix where old saves didn't track where the charisma point came from (which i would think would have several other problems with stuff like the in-game walkthrough that was added), but as far as a fix going forward, I would think the easiest way would be to have each charisma point be a T/F flag and every time one is ticked to "true" then it could recalculate your total score with a basic sub function and save it.

Those toggles have been in place for a while and are how I'm calculating the stat now (in the fix I'm working on). The problem is that older saves don't have these toggles, or might have used just a few of them depending on the game state when they were introduced.

This might not be possible to fix at all for NG+ states initialized with old games that didn't max out charisma. This might be such an edge case that it's not worth dealing with. Still thinking about it.

Edit: The cutoff seems to be version 0.25. Any charisma gains made before that version will not have a properly set toggle, leading to problems.

 

[Belle]

I wasn't sure if it was a bug or if the point was just in some spot I missed. But I will remember to report anyway in the future.

If you were in NG, it wasn't a bug. If you were in NG+ and didn't have max charisma when you ended your first game, you probably encountered the bug.

 

[WhiteFireDaemon]

Those toggles have been in place for a while and are how I'm calculating the stat now (in the fix I'm working on). The problem is that older saves don't have these toggles, or might have used just a few of them depending on the game state when they were introduced.

This might not be possible to fix at all for NG+ states initialized with old games that didn't max out charisma. This might be such an edge case that it's not worth dealing with. Still thinking about it.

Edit: The cutoff seems to be version 0.25. Any charisma gains made before that version will not have a properly set toggle, leading to problems.

A patch that could be implemented specifically for those older saves could be a quick questionnaire for people who have those older saves. If the NG+ detects a charisma score that doesn't match up with the saved toggles, then you could just ask players to answer some questions about their game to set the toggles manually. Throw in some "Opps, it seems there's a problem with your saved game data, so just a quick couple of questions and we can sort out this mess!" sort of thing.

 

[Belle]

A patch that could be implemented specifically for those older saves could be a quick questionnaire for people who have those older saves. If the NG+ detects a charisma score that doesn't match up with the saved toggles, then you could just ask players to answer some questions about their game to set the toggles manually. Throw in some "Opps, it seems there's a problem with your saved game data, so just a quick couple of questions and we can sort out this mess!" sort of thing.

It's possible. Clumsy, but possible.

 

[Bentling]

is there a way to hide/remove the day and time, im dislectic and using the ingame voice over, but i have to lissent to "day 1 monday morning" before every sentence?

 

[Belle]

is there a way to hide/remove the day and time, im dislectic and using the ingame voice over, but i have to lissent to "day 1 monday morning" before every sentence?

I wasn't even aware that there is such a feature and never developed for it. I'll see if I can make the narrator stop reading that part of the window, though, at first glance, the Ren'py documentation doesn't mention that ability. It's on my list of things to fix, if I can.

 

[Deleted member 2744443]

That's basically what the game got in version 0.35.

Yes, Belle has been on top of this. And I appreciate her writing and story telling skills! Go to page one of the thread, and download the 3.5 walkthrough. Or go to her patreon or subscribestar page also on the links to support this artist / writer's work and get the latest release and commentary. At the end of her currently public release walkthrough, you are on your own with the many twists and puzzles for the best option in ending. On one of my comments, I provided proof of my "successful" end, at the point of the first relationship story ending. After the credits begin rolling, the reader/viewer investigator (you, the MC hero) if you keep reading and click the screen, will get a post departure intelligent interaction with your former mentor, who explains why and how he organized to assist you (as Hero) in your saving the realm and loved ones.

 

[Deleted member 2744443]

When working on complex problems, that allude you, step away, relax do something non stressful, sleep on it, your brain will work it out during rem. Old school coding: Look at your count, introduce another If then statement, ie.. If charisma => X go to line : ### then add +1 in field if field = # write line field (requirement or suggestion where the MC can obtain another charisma to be check summed to up the required charisma current total.

 

[Deleted member 2744443]

Yeah, it's what I do too. Subscribe for just a month or a couple of months per year. Though my reasons are just straight poverty lmao. I am in no position for a recurring donation but I can do the occasional bump. Just subscribe for a month here and there.

I did a subsistence level subscribestar pre your post, which links one of my email boxes. I will re-evaluate to reach the reward I wish to give "her" some of our writers like to use female avatars, which in now way is absolute in reality check. I will bring her to where we can mutually satisfy our intent. And I will give her praise, as I have suggested to fellow developers, and steered them to a contract with Steam games especially when they have completed a game for a source of revenue and feedback. I will provide her a direct link as follows, Valve Corporation also has software engineer openings and applications if that is relevant.

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[Belle]

So, I went with the dialogue option. The game now asks you where you got your charisma from if it doesn't already know. I guess this can be abused, but that's a small price to pay. This means that any existing save should still be perfectly valid going forward.

The question now is whether or not this is worth hotfixing. It's a lot of updating and uploading to do. I'll mull it over some more.

 

[SoulSwipre]

Hi guys, just finished the end game and was slightly disappointed that there was no harem route, or any route to make everyone happy. It's heartbreaking to see and I'm not excited to play the new game+ immediately. Even with Merek's overly detailed explanation, I'm too dumb to understand how the multiple timeline works. Can anyone who played the new game+ tell me what's the difference? Maybe it unlocks a harem route?

 

[Deleted member 2744443]

So, I went with the dialogue option. The game now asks you where you got your charisma from if it doesn't already know. I guess this can be abused, but that's a small price to pay. This means that any existing save should still be perfectly valid going forward.

The question now is whether or not this is worth hot-fixing. It's a lot of updating and uploading to do. I'll mull it over some more.

I suggest you work on your usual schedule goals, and put this issue on the back burner. I put in sufficient effort to solve my own problems of saves vs progress, by going back and then moving forward and watching progress. If fans follow your walkthrough, they will get through most of the hurdles. If you make things too easy, they will lose interest. When I kept having difficulties, I shut it down for a day, let my brain work on other things and idled through your game on a side thread so to speak. I like that you show some awareness of multi-dimensional physics, which many cannot fathom. Point people to your walkthrough, address crashes, and go forward with your goals for episodes and interactions. If I as a fan were to make a suggestion. It would be to add a couple of scenes with favored females. You have a strong, who done-it. And your walkthrough caused me to lesson my doubt about the Advisor (courage), tricky you.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Hi guys, just finished the end game and was slightly disappointed that there was no harem route, or any route to make everyone happy. It's heartbreaking to see and I'm not excited to play the new game+ immediately. Even with Merek's overly detailed explanation, I'm too dumb to understand how the multiple timeline works. Can anyone who played the new game+ tell me what's the difference? Maybe it unlocks a harem route?

There is a harem ending... kind of. And everyone's happy in that ending. Or at least no one complains about it (in game, there are people in the thread who think that ending is too short). You have to have a free will to complain anyway

 

[SoulSwipre]

There is a harem ending... kind of. And everyone's happy in that ending. Or at least no one complains about it (in game, there are people in the thread who think that ending is too short). You have to have a free will to complain anyway

? I didn't get that ending. Do you mean in the new game+?