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I just think it was a domino effect him holding back prevented him from going all out since she got the edge the entire fight. That and I just don't think he is a good fighter without using his powers. Then im sure the fact she was a Admiral for the King made him not want to try to kill her but knock her out. So believe what you want I still think he was holding back to a small degree which is why I think he was only isng 70-80% of his max power, even after he realized how strong she was.
I'm going to continue to say he just got his ass beat and all you guys are just coping. I don't believe there was any chance he was holding back after she stabbed him in the throat. He had a good while to recover and compeltely caught her off guard when he got back up
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I mean im not arguing he got his ass beat just he wasn't using his full capacity , just most of it. At that point I don't think he even recovered enough to go all out they both passed out right after the fight if I recall correctly. Or at the very least I recall he barley had any energy or mana left to do much after the fight and I think that was right at the end of the fight , when he got stabbed in the throat.
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He identifyed previos as member of the court, like Diana, that is why he hold back, before all this adventure he had a convo with the King where the King tells him that he send his best Admiral against Pirate Bay.
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Even after he was stabbed, he still wasn't fighting to kill so that's still technically holding back. And a few minutes isn't a good while to recover (if it were longer Diana wouldn't have still been off the boat when he surprised her).
Yeah, I remember they were both gassing out at the end which is why they both needed to rest for however many hours after the fight.
I dont get why youre so hellbent to make this point when its obviously wrong. Not even talking about that him losing would actually prove my original point even more.
Here a few examples for you from the fight:
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And this one is before their very last clash before you trying to argue that he only said anything like that in the beginning.
So nah, youre interpretation/memorys of the event are simply wrong. Youre quotation of him saying that shes stronger is wrong too, he never said that.
The only thing he said is that she bested him in quite a few of their clashes (while he was holding back very obviously).
His eyes never switched to the blight blue or red eye colour either which is usually his serious-mode
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so he only went all out for 1 attack thanks for this render proof he was holding back kind of what I thought just didn't realize it was said in the dialogue
He literally says she's stronger than him
I don't really think any of these statements imply he's holding back. Just that he was never going for the kill. Saying "I can't hold back with this attack" doesn't suggest that he was holding back and pulling his punches the entire fighting. Just that he wasn't trying to do anything like stab her in the gut
Okay seems like i didnt replayed it long enough just now. Its kinda a flawed premise to not count his regenerative ability tho and even more when he falls back on it and never really gives his all because he will just be able to stand up again lol
Im not really sure what to make out of that, shes for sure the more skilled combatant tho lol
Doubtfull the mc himself even knows how strong he is at the moment if he would be fully unleashed
My initial initial statement (him being overconfident) was incorrect tho, as he was holding back because he couldnt afford to kill her (officially because shes royal marine, inoffical because we have to bang) but he still was holding back.
Dude, that's like saying he lost because he should be drown but he did not because he used his ability to walk on water. Regeneration is an ability of his, so just because he used it does not mean he lost.
Also, she was fighting to kill at least incapacitate while he was holding back because she is an admiral of the king he has loyalty of.
I need to recheck how it ended because as far as I remember, he kinda pulled a trick and won but because he overextended himself and passed out of exhaustion. Even if I misremembered and you are right, that's a draw not lost. So, either case he did not lose.
Because like I said earlier he might not have been trying to kill her but I don't really think that's the same as holding back. Mc is not a trained assassins that relies on lethal attacks and I feel like wind magic makes it pretty easy to incomasitate people. Basically the way he was fighting against her is the same way he fights everyone.
I think he was caught off guard maybe during the first round by how strong she was but I think he was at least going all out by the second round. All "I can't kill her" means to me is no stabbing in vitals, but Diana is clearly a better fighter in the first place and Mc only really got as far as he did in that fight because of his powers.
And I think not counting regen also matters because he's essentially admitting that Diana has more raw combat ability than he does. The regen essentially just allows him to fight longer.
No, it's saying he lost because she knocked him out twice. He was down and the only reason why he wasn't completely dead then is because she thought she had finished the job and walked away.
Nope, it was a double knock out. They both attacked each other at the same time and both got knocked out by the attack. Like I posted earlier mc literally admits that Diana is stronger than him.
I am not sure why you are so hellbent on this. It is his ability, if she wanted best him she should cross that ability too. It really is a nonsense you are trying to push and if you don't see what's wrong with what you are saying, then I am not sure there is a way to convince you.
Okay, then it's a draw. He still did not lose the fight.
I don't really think you understand what I'm saying here.
I'm not saying you can't count the mc's regen ability. I'm saying that the only reason why the mc survived is because of his regen ability. It's not why I'm saying he lost. I'm saying he lost because twice in the fight he was essentially knocked out. I'm basically counting the whole thing as 3 rounds.
Round 1 he lost.
Round 2 he lost.
Round 3 was a double knock out.
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There was no rounds though. They fought and he did not lose. That's the entirety of my claim.
I really don't know where this discussion came from, I haven't read the entire thread. I saw people saying MC lost that fight, so I said he did not. I remember he won at the end with some trickery, though you say double knock-out and I don't remember entirely so I trust what you say. Still, he did not lose the fight. As MC said he has some raw magic in him, different than all other magicians. He has to refine it to be become better user. She has a rare magic honed to almost perfection to fight. MC was holding back, having any sort of limitation is holding back btw. If you can't kill, you can't use certain attacks and/or abilities. So he held his ground fairly good and not losing that fight is more than enough for him in that situation.
If you are saying MC should have godlike power from the get-go then there won't be any story because the main story is, MC gaining power through kindness(light path) or vengeance (dark path) and take his revenge.
Anyways, I am gonna do a rerun so and probably read your discussion. Maybe I'll join the discussion then.
P.S. I don't even when I put that there. But it's the ultimate truth, ain't it?
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I think he was using rounds because there was a few times where it looked like he was out of the fight / done for and got back up. So I can see how that can be considered round 1 etc
Meh. It's a fight, you go down then get up again. If you can't get up, you lost. He took the initiative a few times too iirc, so why don't we put some rounds there to give him some points?