VN Ren'Py Nephilim [v0.5.3] [BuuPlays]

[storm1051787]

That's the thing, the chivalrous pirates we see in movies and games are an exception. They only appear to be the majority because they're getting the most screen time. Meanwhile, in games, we're killing hordes of nameless bad pirates.
These chivalrous pirates are interesting because of the contradiction of them "stealing for the right reasons", like Robin Hood. This contradiction only works when 99.9% of pirates are ruthless killers.
And, just looking at it from a practical point of view... How would Kira and Pearl even know who to attack? They say they rarely visit pirate island or even go ashore, so where are they getting their information from? What kind of information network would they need to consistently pick out valid targets? For that matter, wouldn't most smuggling be done by merchant ships, with only a few of the crew in the know?

Even in video games there are tons and I mean tons of examples of good friendly pirates that ally with the mc. Pirates are only ever bad when we need a bunch of faceless enemies to fight. Also irl pirates during the golden age of piracy weren't killers either. Blackbeard literally never killed anyone until they tried to arrest him. Pirates mostly tried to blue unarmed merchants into handing over their stuff. Same tactics as the common mugger. Pirates rarely actually fought any battles because they didn't want to get killed. I've got a weapon and you don't so hand over your stuff and we'll leave. And where was it mentioned they never go to the bay or go to shore?

Their perspective does not matter. What matters to the MC is that this trip has taken a valuable week with Eliza stuck in bed. Their father isn't inviting the MC over for coffee, he clearly wants whatever the MC is looking for. He caught wind of their destination, and the adventurer's guild involvement, and wants to gauge if whatever the MC is looking for would be useful to him.

1000% disagree. Their perspective is the only thing that matters when we're judge their character. It's the entire reason why characters are given an out whenever they do stuff like this. Bad guy is bad by circumstances and not by choice thing or whatever. Standard trope. Kira clearly thought the mc was going to be fine so there is no sense in trying to act as if she was willingly going to let him be murdered. We're not talking about whether or not what you think did was right or wrong And we already know Kira and Pearl had no idea about Eliza or even what the MC was looking.


Kira's betrayal is only that she lied to the mc in her head. She clearly never thought he was in danger. So I want to know why Kira's "betrayal" is somehow worse or even on par with Pearl. One is way worse than the other.




And they didn't beg their father to be lenient. It says that Pearl kept praising the mc and saying that she shouldn't kill him. Kira was under the impression that as long as Mc doesn't try to make blackheart mad he'll be fine.

Oh yeah, so far for being chivalrous pirates, right? Stealing valuable treasure from someone who's going to an island nobody ever returned from. What was that about only stealing from people who deserved it?

Do you not think there is a difference between literally robbing a person and trying to make it to some fabled treasure first?

 

[Quetzzz]

Their perspective is the only thing that matters when we're judge their character.

I'm not judging their character, I'm judging the impact their actions have on the MC.
If someone wrongs me while acting with the best of intentions, I still have the right to be angry at them, and wanting nothing to do with them. This nuance is lost in this story.

Do you not think there is a difference between literally robbing a person and trying to make it to some fabled treasure first?

Pearl didn't make it to the treasure first, did she?

 

[Dessolos]

Looks like round 3 has started while I was playing BG3

 

[storm1051787]

I'm not judging their character, I'm judging the impact their actions have on the MC.

I'm not. I really don't care about that. End of the day everything worked out in both situations.

I didn't say you don't have the right to be angry with them(though I do think it's silly if you are). I just don't get why Pearl gets a free pass for her betrayal but Kira doesn't even though it A) wasn't nearly as bad, B) Kira believed the mc was safe, and C) Pearl was in on it the whole time. Shouldn't it count a both Kira and Pearl betraying the mc? It's a clear double standard.

 

[justin.case]

Ever changing jungle with weird fog and the other tribe that's more violent, what could go wrong for the ambassador?

I am fairly certain it will depend on ambassador's gender. If the ambassador a woman, then she survived, probably captured by other tribe. MC will save her as a white knight in shining armor, then they'll make sweet looove. If he is a man, he might have died but Diana still let MC and twins go because MC did his duty by learning what happened to ambassador. Also, he'll make sweet looove to Diana when he came back.

Let's say you saved up to buy life-altering medication for a loved one, and someone you trust steals it from you... You'd immediately see their point of view, with no trace of anger or disappointment? Even after you had to go out of your way to get it back, you'd just let bygones be bygones?
Even if objectively their need for this medicine would be bigger than yours, wouldn't it sting to have been betrayed like this?

Not immediately no but if it's out of their usual behaviour then I'd think there must be a reason for that. Then when I learn the reason good enough, I'd forgive. If I forgive someone, then I forget too.

Yeah, I honestly agree with all of that. But, again, Pearl doesn't even get an angry look, or a stern talking to. If you play the dark paths, why wouldn't he say something like: "If you or your sister betray me ever again, I'll put you where your father is."
If a friend of mine stole anything from me, even for the best reasons possible, I'd still be allowed to be angry at him, even if I understood his motivations.

I do agree on this tbh. Dark path MC is very inconsistent. I think story is written according to light path, then some alteration made for dark path. So, only when you choose the dark path options MC acts dark, any time else he is on the light path again.

I agree with this as well. He killed an innocent and let the guilty one walk. I expected her to come back to get revenge, but it seems Selena was just written out of the story.
Though, on the dark path there's another significant inconsistency here. If the MC killed the sister, then Eliza will kill Selena and feel bad about it. But earlier, the MC could've taught her that humans are below her, that she's an apex predator and people are just food to her. Wouldn't it make more sense that in that scenario, she'd revel in killing Selena?

Yes but MC can say, you did good to Eliza when she killed Selena. So, there is that.

That's pretty much my entire point. On the light-path, I think it's great that the MC forgives and forgets. On the dark path, not at all.

Then we reached to an agreement. On light path MC is forgiving, so it's not out of character. On dark path, game needs more consistency. A few extra lines, here and there would/could do miracle in that regard I suppose. If we ever have punish Selena by not kiliing Samarah, then forgive the twins, I'd be content.

 

[justin.case]

So I want to know why Kira's "betrayal" is somehow worse or even on par with Pearl. One is way worse than the other.

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I'm just saying it's a double standard that Pearls betrayal doesn't count because she said sorry, but Kira's does. Especially since Pearl's betrayal was way worse and more egregious.


It's just pretty obvious that Kira didn't believe Mc was actually going to get hurt and figured she was just robbing him of some valuable treasure same as pearl. For some reason this thread hates Kira, but loves Pearl even though the two characters really aren't that different, and they both have similar actions and motivations.

I am not sure if you are talking about me but if so I want to make some things clear. For me, Selena's betrayal is the worst, then Kira's betrayal, then at last Pearl's betrayal.
I think Selena deserves harshest possible punishment, even some revenge but I think killing her sister is out of line for MC. I can see the poetic justice approach for that. She tried to save her sister by betraying people and at the end she lost the sister even though she betrayed or whatever. She was innocent though, so I think we need something in between there.
Kira's situation was handled well imo. MC realized what's going on, got angry, saw she was in distress about whole ordeal. So he let it go.
Pearl's betrayal was completely justifiable for me. Hence MC not getting angry at all is acceptable also. Maybe we need a few more lines at the dark path would be nicer but that's all.

For the question, why Kira's betrayal was worse than Pearl. It's the way I look at. I see these as active danger and passive danger. Let's start from Selena, she put MC and Eliza in active danger. A situation both could die. So what she did is only explainable for me as treacherous. Kira put MC in active danger too. I've seen you said there was no danger to MC there but I disagree. Pearl's betrayal was consequential, a passive danger. Her action was taking a trinket to save someone. There was no direct results of her action, so it's easy to justify for me by thinking she was not aware the importance. Think about it like this, there is a chalice if she took it and delivered to her father her sister will be saved while someone she does not know may never walk. If she did not took it, then her sister will die so someone she does not know can walk. It really was an easy choice. Also, at that point, she does not know how powerful MC is, so asking and leaving her sister's fate to someone she knows just a few weeks is basically nonsense. So Selena>Kira>Pearl for me but there is a huge gap between Selena and Kira, while not big of a gap between twins.

Also, I really do like both of the twins and I'd prefer Kira over Pearl, though slightly. So there is no hate going on there.

 

[E_Wal]

Playing through this a second/third time, I am still enjoying the game, I have recognized some of the things throughout the game that just bugged me:

Spoiler: Events throughout the game up to Arriving at Looters Bay.

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I am still loving the game and I know there is a long road map for development but other than a few grammar issues these are the things that pull my attention away from the story when I come across them. Maybe some are by design and maybe they are just oversights but I still think the work the creator is doing is great and hopefully some of these things can be refined to improve the overall experience, if not then its still a great game and maybe future updates will balance these points out or something.

 

[storm1051787]

Kira put MC in active danger too. I've seen you said there was no danger to MC there but I disagree. Pearl's betrayal was consequential, a passive danger.

Disagree it was passive danger. Pearl little fought along side a fleet of ships trying to stop the mc. As for the whole Kira thing I'm convinced that Kira didn't eliee the mc was in danger and either way Pearl was still in on the whole thing. So its not Kira betraying the mc. It's Kira and Pearl betraying the mc. Kira is just the one who told you that you're seeing Blackheart but both sisters new they were going to stop there and no I wasn't talking about you

 

[Quetzzz]

Playing through this a second/third time, I am still enjoying the game, I have recognized some of the things throughout the game that just bugged me:

A few more to add to this list:

When the MC leaves for the capital, it's said his cousin will leave a week later, and the trip will take another week.
The MC makes the trip in 2-3 days, spends 2-3 days questing for the adventurer's guild, then meets up with his cousin.
So somehow, two weeks have passed for Flynn while only 6 days have passed for the MC.

When leaving for death-island, the MC says he'll be gone for two moons. It's about a week to pirate island, another week to death-island. Then the same on the way back. He would've been gone for about 4-5 weeks, 6 if we're being VERY generous, but he still says two moons have passed.

Women wearing high heels while in a forest, or on dirt roads.

In early chapter 5, Luna asks the MC to join her "tomorrow" to confront Rose. He agreed, but didn't go, and it was never brought up again.

Edit: and all the re-used renders.

 

[k1abrahams]

Anyone got a save file from just before the big fight to save the twins please ? Appreciate it.

 

[justin.case]

A few more to add to this list:

My favourite is 2 people sailing, then same 2 people sleeping until the morning together. How do they navigate, if one does not stay awake and check whether if they are on course.

I think I had a few more but this one stands out.

 

[DevinHesi]

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It's time for a bonfire and night of festivities in v0.5.4!
Let's share a drink with local huntresses, Suji and Zyra, we aren't getting hammered, right? Right?
Find out what happens in v0.5.4!

 

[xapican]

I don't know why but Suji looks as if her "protein drink" is always dripping down her chin.

 

[justin.case]

I don't know why but Suji looks as if her "protein drink" is always dripping down her chin.

Because it does.

Btw, I find lack of Vex disturbing. There are some side girls in this game who is much more better looking than entire cast. Vex, Frida (or something, asian looking maid), Queen's personal maid too.

 

[nitkonikic]

Think I'm tapping out on this one.
Current chapter feels like Naruto filler arc, something to kill the time until dev thinks of how to progress main story.

I've completely zoned out, and in good part it's because I have 0 interest in either Kira or Pearl, and, oh good gods in Nephilim heavens, does the game want MC to fuck them both. Oh it basically BEGS player to start fucking Pearl.
Hell, if I had to choose between Kira and Pearl, I'd choose Kira. She might have been bad at first, but at least she wasn't conniving bitch Pearl was (and got complete free pass for it).

I'll be back for chapter 6, when hero gets back to mainland, to bunch of girls I actually like and a story that actually goes somewhere.

EDIT:
Is there difference betwen Dark and Light path on island?
I've killed people early (including Serena's sister), but ended up on light path due to not killing others, so can't check if there are differences during fight with Diana.

 

[Quetzzz]

Is there difference betwen Dark and Light path on island?
I've killed people early (including Serena's sister), but ended up on light path due to not killing others, so can't check if there are differences during fight with Diana.

Checked the code, there are no differences at all. Choices don't influence anything in the long term, except for the major relationship choices.

 

[nitkonikic]

Checked the code, there are no differences at all. Choices don't influence anything in the long term, except for the major relationship choices.

Went a bit further, replayed whole VN from very start (skip seen text makes VNs look very short), yep, no changes in dialogue
But thanks for checking.

 

[justin.case]

Checked the code, there are no differences at all. Choices don't influence anything in the long term, except for the major relationship choices.

Oh no no no, they do. If you kill Samarah, you won't see this abomination.

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She told this to Eliza btw if anyone has not seen it. At this point, both MC and Eliza was being the nicest possible, even after her betrayal. First pic was her apology if anyone can believe it, second pic was when she noticed Eliza was not eating her bullshit. She is just terrible.

 

[E_Wal]

A few more to add to this list:

When the MC leaves for the capital, it's said his cousin will leave a week later, and the trip will take another week.
The MC makes the trip in 2-3 days, spends 2-3 days questing for the adventurer's guild, then meets up with his cousin.
So somehow, two weeks have passed for Flynn while only 6 days have passed for the MC.

When leaving for death-island, the MC says he'll be gone for two moons. It's about a week to pirate island, another week to death-island. Then the same on the way back. He would've been gone for about 4-5 weeks, 6 if we're being VERY generous, but he still says two moons have passed.

Women wearing high heels while in a forest, or on dirt roads.

In early chapter 5, Luna asks the MC to join her "tomorrow" to confront Rose. He agreed, but didn't go, and it was never brought up again.

Edit: and all the re-used renders.

I thought about some of these the first play through:

- I believe this might simply be due to the fact that trying to render in enough to make the journey feel accurate would also make it feel boring or drawn out. Maybe he could have shown MC do more in the capitol before Flynn, Sabrina and Alice arrived but I think a week or two of traveling might get grading if they render it all out.

- This one had me confused until I realized that they were probably talking about "Full Moons" so they aren't talking about night but instead the entire moon cycle so I think when they say "Two Moons" they are hinting at "Two Months."

- Women in heels have more appeal :,D it is still an Adult VN.... sometimes being horny doesn't make sense.

- This one I would have to agree, I think there is 'some reason' MC doesn't join her but I think it may have been forgotten or changed due to Buu wanting Rose to stick around longer and MC would essentially hamper the ability to have Rose impact the future story as effectively if the MC confronts her already.

- I wouldn't say the re-use of renders is too bad except that some of the scenes where MC embraces his RI's the kissing gets annoying repetitive so in that way the renders dont need quite so much re-use, I think everyone can assume the passion without quite so much kissing allllll the time.

Otherwise I do agree there is a bit of clarity missing and I think its not too horrible and could even potentially be cleaned up later when Buu finds time to go through and do refining/cleaning of previous chapters in the future but definitely not a deal breaker at this point.

 

[Quetzzz]

Oh no no no, they do. If you kill Samarah, you won't see this abomination.

You're right! This is such a rare effect of a choice that I had forgotten about it for a minute