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I myself left a pretty critical review both here and on the Itch page. And from my perspective Chika's story line is very clearly leading down a path that includes NTS if it hasn't already.
I think a good solution to fix this whole debacle would be to remove the Sex scene between the MC and Chika after learning she's a prostitute. This nullifies any relationship between them being anything more than friends, and has less of an impact later in the story when you see her coming from a love hotel with a client. I myself was quite in shock when I chose her story and to help her, and later chose to sex her only later on see her with a client. Because from my perspective the MC and Chika were more than friends at that point, so seeing her continue to have sex with others was quite shocking and is missing the whole 'exclusivity' in a haram game you normally find.
I think if the dev were to do that, then reinforce the idea of this game not including any NTR, would be better in the long run. I believe the devs of 'Goodbye Eternity' had to do something similar because the game has NTR scares but never any actual NTR.
I haven't played it yet but doesn't having sex with her take you off her path cause you failed a Test at least that's what I was told. Does it make obvious you are off her path? Cause if it does I personally don't mind since you are no longer on her path so for me I wouldn't see it as NTR or NTS at that point if you are off her path. Might be un necessary scenes depending on how her story develops hard to say till I play it and till more updates come out. But if it isn't obvious you are off her path yeah I can see an issue with that for sure.
 
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I haven't played it yet but doesn't having sex with her take you off her path cause you failed a Test at least that's what I was told. Does it make obvious you are off her path? Cause if it does I personally don't mind since you are no longer on her path so for me I wouldn't see it as NTR or NTS at that point if you are off her path. Might be un necessary scenes depending on how her story develops hard to say till I play it and till more updates come out. But if it isn't obvious you are off her path yeah I can see an issue with that for sure.
I have no idea. If that is the case there was nothing noticeable about having sex with her and not. Which was another thing I left in my review about the choices being way to subtle.
 

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Ok so looking at the code you're on her route if talk to her after having a drink. Since that triggers chika_route=true
And after that choice she offers herself to you and you can either do her or not. Which, The only difference is the other stat
chika_point which if you deny her will be +2. But that stat doesn't have any effect in script.
So essentially once you sit to drink and talk with her you start her route atleast according to the games code. And at no point after that do you lose her route unless you choose to "Leave her be" after seeing her come out of the hotel with a client.
 
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pretty sure the dev is a women, baseless rape accusations, whore characters in a self proclaimed vanilla harem game, preaching about how any job deserves respect.

Nah my dude, all of that is brainrot bullshit, the characters are not complex they are written as doing exactly what the dev wants at any single moment without a lick of logical human interaction or story progression. They don't have a character, they just act out the scene they are in. After the BS Ayase pulled no normal person would help her. none. If MC would use her to find his father and planned to stab her in the back at the first chance he got, that would make sense. It would even be a good villain-to-lover story arc. What we got here is pure, unfiltered garbage with puppets acting while you can still see the strings.

Chika is seen leaving a Hotel with a dude after you are on her path. she is a LI while she whores around so MC is either a willing cuck NTS or an unwilling cuck NTR. Neither was vanilla the last time I checked the definition.

And any jobs deserving respect? puh-lease, I have more respect for a career criminal that is an ace safe cracker than for a whore. At least the dude learned a trade and is skilled in his profession. Even a street robber shows more admirable traits than a whore.
 

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Either way, even if you're cool/fine with her story, you'd have to be new to h-games to not recognize its an extremely lazy/trope heavy plot for her character, which actually undermines the supposed deep story the dev claims it is.

That's more my issue along with the dev completely melting down over it. I would be far more charitable to dev if they weren't apoplectic/offended at the criticism. Zeroing in on a few being a bit excessive and ignoring why people didn't like it, and lecturing harem enjoyers about their favorite genre was wierd.

They responded as if people were demanding literal MILFs who are virgins (that would be funny for a paordy/joke/spoof in a game though :KEK: ). This is a matter of "know your audience."


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What can I say, I understand some of the dev's points (even though their ways may not be the best ones). Just because the game internally flags it as following her route, it doesn't change that up until that point, Chika and Tatsuya barely know each other and are just starting to open up and form a friendship, nothing more. Neither is romantically interested in the other. She offers him sex because she thinks Tatsuya just wanna help her to take advantage of the situation and sleep with her, not because she suddendly fell for him. That's why saying no and showing genuine interest obviously gives you some relationship points.

And nothing has changed when later on Tatsuya sees her leaving a hotel with a customer and the player decides to check on her. He cares as a friend and only wants to help her overcome her actual lifestyle.

You don't like Chika? What she does puts you off from pursuing her (romantically or as a friend)? All fine and respectable, just don't follow her route. But all that talk about writing Tatsuya as a cuck or whatever is ridiculous. It's very clear that the love route with her will start once her situation is resolved.
 

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What can I say, I understand some of the dev's points (even though their ways may not be the best ones). Just because the game internally flags it as following her route, it doesn't change that up until that point, Chika and Tatsuya barely know each other and are just starting to open up and form a friendship, nothing more. Neither is romantically interested in the other. She offers him sex because she thinks Tatsuya just wanna help her to take advantage of the situation and sleep with her, not because she suddendly fell for him. That's why saying no and showing genuine interest obviously gives you some relationship points.

And nothing has changed when later on Tatsuya sees her leaving a hotel with a customer and the player decides to check on her. He cares as a friend and only wants to help her overcome her actual lifestyle.

You don't like Chika? What she does puts you off from pursuing her (romantically or as a friend)? All fine and respectable, just don't follow her route. But all that talk about writing Tatsuya as a cuck or whatever is ridiculous. It's very clear that the love route with her will start once her situation is resolved.
Fair, which is why I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top. However, when you present the game as a wholesome harem game and subvert that, people don't like feeling the dev is testing them as if they're seeing for what sort of content people will stick around with.

If you can think of a genre, I've played it. But with harem, people tend to immerse with an MC as an outlet for escapism. Detractors like to rip on it calling it such, but harem genre really is effectively a "wish fulfillment" genre.
Going into a harem game and finding out you're just another dick to a possible LI amongst hundreds is never a good sell. Ironically it makes the user feel a bit violated and trust betrayed instead, so of course you're going to get a few people sperging out.

IRL, if you're in that same scenario, are you going to be happy with that? You kind of would be a "cuck" if you were. You don't expect a MILF that is a possible LI in a harem game to be a virgin (oyakodon is a thing many in the harem genre enjoy), but you don't expect her to be getting railed by random dudes for her only fans on the side either.

Either way, no ill will to the dev, just think its a bad choice for the game that undermined what is a game people enjoyed (otherwise nobody would've gotten upset :WeSmart:).
 
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Fair, which is why I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top. However, when you present the game as a wholesome harem game and subvert that, people don't like feeling the dev is testing them as if they're seeing for what sort of content people will stick around with.

If you can think of a genre, I've played it. But with harem, people tend to immerse with an MC as an outlet for escapism. Detractors like to rip on it calling it such, but harem genre really is effectively a "wish fulfillment" genre.
Going into a harem game and finding out you're just another dick to a possible LI amongst hundreds is never a good sell. Ironically it makes the user feel a bit violated and trust betrayed instead, so of course you're going to get a few people sperging out.

IRL, if you're in that same scenario, are you going to be happy with that? You kind of would be a "cuck" if you were. You don't expect a MILF that is a possible LI in a harem game to be a virgin (oyakodon is a thing many in the harem genre enjoy), but you don't expect her to be getting railed by random dudes for her only fans on the side either.

Either way, no ill will to the dev, just think its a bad choice for the game that undermined what is a game people enjoyed (otherwise nobody would've gotten upset :WeSmart:).
IRL, I would still be happy to be friends with her despite what she does and would also try to help her get out of that situation, because that's where we currently are in-game. If we decide to do that, Tatsuya wouldn't be pursuing Chika as a LI but as a friend. Whatever happens next remains to be seen, whether remaining as friends or going further. As I said, it's obvious that her love route won't start until she's out of that mess.

And yeah, I get that her situation can put some people off and there's nothing wrong with them being upset and criticizing the dev (constructive ones, no lashing out about ntr or whatever just because a misconception of their actual relationship). I also agree with what you said before about this being some drama trope (a girl being blackmailed or forced to sell her body for whatever reasons) that wouldn't make sense in a typically happy feeling harem game, but I don't see this title as one of those. Dev's way to defend themselves can be very debatable though, I think we all can agree on that.
 
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wouldn't make sense in a typically happy feeling harem game, but I don't see this title as one of those.
I'm absolutely delighted to know your thoughts about that, but sadly, the Dev disagrees with you. As you can see with the Tags dev added on itch.
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I wouldn't care if dev wouldn't lie about that shit, because i wouldn't even have picked the game up in the first place.
 
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I'm absolutely delighted to know your thoughts about that, but sadly, the Dev disagrees with you. As you can see with the Tags dev added on itch.
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I wouldn't care if dev wouldn't lie about that shit, because i wouldn't even have picked the game up in the first place.
What I meant by that is that this is not a fully wholesome harem game like for example My New Family or Cosy Cafe are (despite their shares of drama, etc). Probably a poor comparison, but for me this one aligns more with the Grisaia saga.

So which tag are you referring to? Vanilla? That word can have a very broad meaning, depending the person. A drama-free story, "dull" sex scenes, non-corruption games (with or without ntr), pure love... The problem here is that you people have been complaining about pursuing a (forced) prostitute LI using the argument that Tatsuya is a cuck or so, when none of those things are true, as I explained before.

There isn't a drop of romance betweem them yet, just Tatsuya trying to understand, help and befriend (if the player decides to) the girl who saved his sister from bullies. That's the current extent of her route/story. If you don't want a future former prostitute as a LI (again, her love route won't start until she's out), surely you'll be able to choose to stay as friends at some point if following her route, or directly skip her expanded content like you already can.

There are many angles from which this game can be criticized (the point you made earlier about Ayase, her initial blackmailing and how easily that got diminished because a common goal), and since this happened, you guys have been focusing on one in particular because of a misconception.
 

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There isn't a drop of romance betweem them yet, just Tatsuya trying to understand, help and befriend (if the player decides to) the girl who saved his sister from bullies. That's the current extent of her route/story. If you don't want a future former prostitute as a LI (again, her love route won't start until she's out), surely you'll be able to choose to stay as friends at some point if following her route, or directly skip her expanded content like you already can.
It seems to me the perfect option is to "go to sleep" (I don't remember the exact words, but it was something like this) and then not speak to her afterward when she leaves the hotel. I suppose this eliminates any possibility of having a relationship with her.

On the other hand, out of all the talk the Dev was giving Chika justifying his decision, I was struck by the part where he basically tells us we were wrong and she's not a prostitute. To me, it sounds like "I just realized I messed up, but I don't want to say it for some (possibly irrelevant) reason, so I'm going to tweak it in future updates, but without changing what we've seen so far."

There are many angles from which this game can be criticized (the point you made earlier about Ayase, her initial blackmailing and how easily that got diminished because a common goal), and since this happened, you guys have been focusing on one in particular because of a misconception.
The truth is, I've done my best to avoid having the MC and Ayase in a romantic relationship, but I get the feeling Dev didn't expect anyone to do something like this. Yes, you can sort of avoid it, but it seems the game is clearly written with the assumption that you won't.
 
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So, I literally just started the game but like.. Yaezaki walks in on the MC trying to save the girl and would have absolutely spotted atleast two of them getting off of the ground.
She then manages to get drugged, MC doubles back and fights them AGAIN and she still thinks he's an accomplice.

Please tell me the writing gets less stupid, for the love of god, because this is some advanced level of dumb.

EDIT- "Here, let me blackmail you and force you to do the same shit we do, random school guy who I don't know if you're trained to fight or not - SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP OR WE'LL BREAK YOUR ARMS - oh no teehee I heard your dad disappeared here's some sobstory exposition."
The writing did, in fact, NOT get less stupid, fucking hell. Can we shoot her later on or nah?

DOUBLE EDIT- "I'll stay at your place tonight"
Bitch you fucking what? You're clearly fucking far more loaded than the MC, your pocket change can just buy you a fucking hotel room. Or just bum money off of one of your other gangmembers.
Didn't you also JUST say that you can't fucking trust him?! And sure, you can win over him in a fight but it won't help if you're fucking asleep. Holy shit this is idiotic.
 
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So, I literally just started the game but like.. Yaezaki walks in on the MC trying to save the girl and would have absolutely spotted atleast two of them getting off of the ground.
She then manages to get drugged, MC doubles back and fights them AGAIN and she still thinks he's an accomplice.

Please tell me the writing gets less stupid, for the love of god, because this is some advanced level of dumb.

EDIT- "Here, let me blackmail you and force you to do the same shit we do, random school guy who I don't know if you're trained to fight or not - SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP OR WE'LL BREAK YOUR ARMS - oh no teehee I heard your dad disappeared here's some sobstory exposition."
The writing did, in fact, NOT get less stupid, fucking hell. Can we shoot her later on or nah?

DOUBLE EDIT- "I'll stay at your place tonight"
Bitch you fucking what? You're clearly fucking far more loaded than the MC, your pocket change can just buy you a fucking hotel room. Or just bum money off of one of your other gangmembers.
Didn't you also JUST say that you can't fucking trust him?! And sure, you can win over him in a fight but it won't help if you're fucking asleep. Holy shit this is idiotic.
it's one of those games if you like anime and are able to let things slide and not take it so seriously like in 90% of anime you will like or love it otherwise you hate it I feel. Personally this is my current # 1 / favorite Honey Select game even tho I haven't played the last update yet. ( Mostly due to playing less AVN's lately and not wanting to replay this game until another update comes along since it's long and I need a refresher)
 

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it's one of those games if you like anime and are able to let things slide and not take it so seriously like in 90% of anime you will like or love it otherwise you hate it I feel. Personally this is my current # 1 / favorite Honey Select game even tho I haven't played the last update yet. ( Mostly due to playing less AVN's lately and not wanting to replay this game until another update comes along since it's long and I need a refresher)
That's fair, I'm just both very annoyed with blackmail plots AND I dislike when stuff is just glaringly illogical when it would've been very easy to fix those things, and Yaezaki just kind of hit both of those with one introduction.
I'm still going to play the rest of the game but man that nearly put me off of things entirely with how dumb and forced it was for plot reasons.
 
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Vanilla? That word can have a very broad meaning, depending the person.
no, it doesn't.

The problem here is that you people have been complaining about pursuing a (forced) prostitute LI using the argument that Tatsuya is a cuck or so, when none of those things are true, as I explained before.
You are on her LI path and can sleep with her or not, neither scene influences her path tho.
MC sees her leaving a hotel with a client.

so tell me in your own words: when is the cucking happening? is it only if MC is seeing it? if she tells him it happened, if he begs her to do it, if she tells him she likes it, and there is nothing he can do about it. What is your threshold? when does MC beginns being a cuck?

IF you had the suspicion your GF/Wife was cheating on you, what is the evidence you need? Catch them in bed? Her telling you?, or maybe seeing her leaving a Hotel with the other dude is enough?


Also, I'm only talking about Chika as a symptom, the dev is cucking the player. Nothing Mc can do to make her stop prostituting herself that she couldn't have done on her own. He is a child still going to school. As Ayase said, he is an absolute nobody. (Which, by the way, is in no way portrayed in the game, but what is an additional plot hole at that point? Am I right, boys!)
Chika's plot is shit and the resolution will be handweaving bullshit. But at least we get pretty pictures and a nice sex scene out of it.

Ayase can't help her because her involvement in all of that must be kept a secret (which is why she acts like a lawless thug running around blackmailing people [but they are the good guys, pinky-promise]). If she would fix Chika's problem with her money, she would be tied to a criminal organisation via said money. Way to keep a secret identity hidden.

Beating her Dad up? That would be at least in character for them, to keep acting like low-live criminals. Would it solve the problem, tho? Not really, no. Now her Dad needs additional money for medical bills and shit. Who does he get that money from? Chika. Even with the Dad out of the picture, do you mean the Gang that is using her for the money would just stop?
She is a valuable asset to them. It would just mean they can make even more money with her cutting out the middleman (her dad).

So what options remain? Taking out the Gang that is behind all that. Sure MC and his merry band of bandits have some powers, so that would work. Till the overarching crime syndicate notices that the gang has stopped paying tribute. Also, all-out war with a Gang will draw in Police scrutiny. Way to keep that identity hidden Ayase.

The Dev wrote himself in a corner with his stupid prostitute subplot that's just there to grab some low-hanging sympathy points. Without stopping to think about what wider ramifications that has for his world-building and the characters he wrote prior.

Ayase has no reason to help Chika. In fact, she has a really BIG reason not to help her. We could chalk her involvement up to her wanting to do the right thing, but what is the reason for her starting with that right this moment? All she did was to take the easy way, even if it broke laws and hurt people.
So let's handwave that away and say she wants to do the right thing for once. How does she go about it without exposing her secret identity? Will Chika exchange one slavemaster for another out with one management in with another. That would fit the "committing crimes for the greater good" theme Ayase has going. Will she start extorting Chika to keep her silent and beat down?

MC? Like you want to, constantly, remind me, he doesn't know her. Doing the right thing? Like he did in an Alley? How did that work out for him? Even if Ayase hadn't beaten the helpfulness out of him yet.
There is a difference between helping your homie in a barfight that went south and going into a gang war for a chick that you don't know. Which also fucked another dude straight after you had spent the night together.

Chika herself. Either she is forced to work as a prostitute by her Dad/some Gang, so she can't stop doing that, or she does it of her own volition (probably not, but who knows? At least I wouldn't have expected that twist).

A) Dad/Gang is forcing her, so she continues to sleep with other people. MC knows it, he is a cuck. It's at least sharing. More like NTR because it's forced on MC and outside of his control; there are no two ways about that.
B)She does it for fun and can stop whenever she wants They were together she still fucks other dudes for fun and money. MC knows it, he is a cuck. It's at least sharing. More like NTR because it's forced on MC and outside of his control; there are also no two ways about that.

If you want a Vanilla Harem game, that ain't it chief. By no definition.

But i'm Sure Dev will save the plot with some Superpower nonsense that was totally a skill MC always possessed in his inside and that magically will solve every problem they encounter, as if it was written for exactly that purpose. While we are at it, you should google "Deus ex Machina, storytelling" and give that a read too.
 

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I barley read any of that but calling the MC a cuck because of a scene with Chika gave me a good laugh. Because how can he be a cuck or it be considered NTR if there is no relationship ( girlfriend and boyfriend) beyond casual sex or FWB / being friends. To me it is just a dark story no NTR or NTS. I see it as watching a tv show or movie with a similar story or scene.

Yeah I get it she is a LI that so you don't like seeing that shit but meh I rather have an actual dark story and a character people dislike because of it than a boring uninteresting character any day. Even if the pay off isn't that well done the road or whatever. I do think it should be skippable or made obvious what path is gonna lead to what and the choice that leads to her having sex with someone else should be the path that you aren't on her path anymore and made optional to see that scene of her selling her self.

Tho I can't really comment cause I haven't played the Chika story yet just heard about it and everyime I see something makes me laugh since my friend told me it was a dark story and not just her being a prostitute.
 

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I never, EVER thought I'd see a fucking Thatdudeinblue referenced in a goddamn porn game.
Nor 2JZ or LS being mentioned either, or the fact that it's a 240SX USDM.

Dev knows his shit about cars, neat.
 
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