I don't understand what you are asking. I only listed the changes of what happens when you don't encourage Holly to continue taking the pole-dancing classes. Everything else works the same as if she was taking the pole-dancing lessons.
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What? I said nothing about Ian needing to be a loser. My first paragraph was agreeing with you and SearingFive, my second paragraph was an aside comment about the actual corruption.
A loser Ian that can't even bag a girl that clearly interested in him. So she changes her style and personality because she thinks Ian isn't interested in her, when he's in fact just a loser and can't pick up on her obvious interest. It's two people interested in each other completely misreading the other and one completely changing who she is as a result. Made even better if in the future Holly sees Ian for the loser he is, in this scenario, and wants nothing to do with him.
It's the kind of corruption I can get behind.
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Then it seems to be a misunderstanding, since for me it sounded as if Ian has to be loser here, which isn´t the case.
We have three major variants of Holly in the game so far. One is "super-nerdy" Holly, which is her base persona at start. Ian and her can get together only rather early via the book travel. AFAIK a later option to get together with this Holly hinges very much on several factors and is complicated.
Version 2 of Holly is "encouraged" Holly. You can get her either by being in a relationship with Ian, who deftly encourages Holly to be more bold or by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy, but keeping Ivy´s influence low. This the more forward Holly we can see at the beach holiday, e.g. wearing a bolder bikini and still have a Schopenhauer book with her. I even got that once with a slightly slutty Holly, when I kept Ivy influencing Holly but on a low level.
Also had a path variant with Ian and Holly already in a relationship and Holly having the erolit book with her.
Version 3 of Holly is slut Holly, who you get by Holly wanting to learn how to attract Ian by being more like Lena and Ivy and letting Ivy influence her a lot. As I said, it seems to be a late variant to get together with Holly. This is rather clear by dia/monologue. Slutty Holly is obviously after Ian by her statements during the beach holiday and some Ian variants recognise this version of Holly rather positively.
As mentioned earlier, I theorise that if Ian and wild Holly become a couple after the beach holiday, this will mostly end Ivy´s influence on her. Since Holly now got Ian, who she wanted from the start, she would see no need to become sluttier/wilder. Not for nothing it was how she is now which brought her and Ian together, at least she thinks so (and is right up to a certain point).
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Give it to me straight fellas..what are the chances we will ever get Ed content?
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If you get holly/slut on this route, through the shower threesome, does it automatically replace her lack of experience with Ivy and Lena (for example does she gain abs) or are the lack of changes, from not doing pole dancing initially, still present in later content, but with the slut version?
Lena is the only girl that can be in a commited relationship with Ian. They can fool around with others if you push them as Lena for instance and they will do it.
Its mixed as far as I can tell, she does not gain the abs, but she changes her hairstyle, has more confident dialogue and changes some of her habits (mostly being on her phone instead of reading a book while at the beach).
I think it might be a bit jarring of a change but I haven't done a test playthrough to see how it feels. For whatever it is worth, adding Holly to the shower threesome in this route requires her to have had sex with Lena previously, so that comes with some implications regarding the route (she isn't with Ian, she's been admiring Lena a lot, etc).
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Though she still goes through with her 'graduation' even if she nabbed Ian at the beach house.
IIRC the only girl with who you can actually be in a committed relationship with (the rings icon) is Lena. Everybody else is mostly love vs lust but never a committed relationship status. I think Cindy too at some point if you tell her to break up with Wade but I'm not sure.
You can still kinda control their outcome through decisions.
If you keep banging Allison every chance you get, Jeremy will tell you she doesn't meet him anymore. Emma and Allison kinda interfere with each other so if you go for Emma, Allison WILL go for Jeremy and vice versa, if you go for Allison, you miss your shot at banging Emma. Emma won't fuck Jeremy if you don't get her first and encourage him to do so and you can basically keep Perry off of her. Same applies for Cherry since he relies on your wingmanning for both cases.
Holly is mostly a standard corruption path à la GGGB. The more you push her, the more she'll do. Pretty simple.
Cindy either bangs Axel or Axel/Ian. There is no stopping her so far.
For Lena, if she fools with Jeremy it stops the early relationship potential with Lena straight up.
That´s correct, but as you said "graduation"
and we currently have not the Ian part of that timeframe available. Going by the dialogue possible during the beach holiday it is obvious Holly wants Ian and Ian is far from adverse to Holly. I estimate that in the coming Ian update we get the option for our Ian to talk with Holly about a relationship if they got together during the holiday. And if they start to date, I think this will be the end of Ivy´s influence on Holly. Holly got who she wanted from the beginning, so no need for getting even more like Lena and Ivy. The "graduation" most probably predates this talk.
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I am curious how that might play out, but I doubt Ivy is going to just remove her claws without a fight. Ie. fuck Ian to show Holly that she's still better than her, and Ian isn't the committing type.That´s correct, but as you said "graduation"
Though that may be going to easy on Ivy fans, so I don't know if EK would do it.
It would be a major letdown by EK if she would make a scene like this. It is very clear that wild Holly became slutty due to missunderstanding Ian´s taste in women (at least partly since we have several versions of Ian). Her finally getting Ian is exactly what she wanted when she started to "slut it up". So all or most of the influence slutty Lena and Ivy had on Holly will be gone.
She´ll still be friends with them, no doubt, but the influence on Holly will depend a lot on our decisions how Ian reacts to wild Holly. If they go to a full dedicated, exclusive relationship, Holly will keep her wild side for the bedroom, but that´s it. If they go for a full dedicated, exclusive relationship with Ian really liking her slutty side, they might experiment a bit, but nothing major.
And in the case they go for a dedicated relationship, but Holly having not missunderstood Ian´s taste in women, she, Ivy and Lena might still go really wild because this variant of Ian´s likes it justlike that.
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holly copium....
maybe the (encouraged) holly will have a sharing/cuck option down the line like sharing with jeremy/wade
he already shared alison,emma with him (maybe cindy and holly option on some path)
but that slutty holly is FARRRRRR gone mate.... did you saw her eyes at the gloryhole after jizz in her mouth???
the eyes are empty....that holly is beyond saving mate thats gillian 2.0.... I guess she gets ian at the end
and ian replace his trauma with a more fucked up slut version gillian 2.0
I dont know about you but for me thats a upgrade (more drama)
if that holly even gets a relationship option
that holly is what jess warned lena about... ian is so fucked
maybe the (encouraged) holly will have a sharing/cuck option down the line like sharing with jeremy/wade
he already shared alison,emma with him (maybe cindy and holly option on some path)
but that slutty holly is FARRRRRR gone mate.... did you saw her eyes at the gloryhole after jizz in her mouth???
the eyes are empty....that holly is beyond saving mate thats gillian 2.0.... I guess she gets ian at the end
and ian replace his trauma with a more fucked up slut version gillian 2.0
I dont know about you but for me thats a upgrade (more drama)
if that holly even gets a relationship option
that holly is what jess warned lena about... ian is so fucked
That's more dudebro than cuck/swinger trait tbh. If you kinda skip Allison completely (Emma too) but are a bro to Jeremy, he will get you a threesome with Allison as well and hint a threesome with Emma if you let him bang Emma.
I assume a threesomes between Jeremy/Louise/Ian is possible as well if Louise doesn't "break up" with Jeremy.