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Do you think this will imply something? Or it will not matter because in the end we get a plus relationship point for accepting the coffee date anyway.
Ian's attitude towards Gillian is stored in a variable. So far the only functional difference (other than flavor text) is that "simp" Ian will automatically accept the coffee date, while Ian who was more aloof gets a choice whether he accepts the offer or not. Refusing nets you a Wits gain, but it's hard to say if the difference between attitude 2 and 3 in scenario where you do accept will play any role.

I mean, on one hand you could think this is similar to "set boundaries" with Cindy, but on the other hand i'm not sure if EK would want two very similar arcs in the game, and it is quite different to be rewarded with effective "this is a smart thing to do" for choosing to stay away, period, than just having slightly different attitude about keeping in touch.

Guess we'll have to see, but someone will be eating good either way. :whistle:
 
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Lilyflower

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Why that is wonderful to hear, thanks for the answer! Here's hoping for a Gillian overdose!!
Me, I'm hoping for more Minerva content. I honestly sorta love how, all be it unintentionally, Ian and Minerva could easily have a fantastic love story of a young idealistic man getting mentorship from an older woman, who despite herself, regains the optimism she once lost.
 
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From my experience Cindy becomes conflicted no matter what choices you make. Even on a save totally dedicated to her, with all love choices, there will still be the photo with axel grabbing her tits. I think it's unavoidable, and to be honest, it makes sense since she JUST got out of a relationship. She even says it herself that everything is moving too fast. It sucks but it's a realistic depiction honesly. But we'll see next update if she can make a decision. It was kinda frustrating though..
 
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Sadly, I suspect this one is doomed to be a Bad End (or a Swedish buffet for our local cuck connoisseurs) based on how every option Ian takes in this update to distance himself from Gillian rewards him with Wits gain.

Maybe, but given how comprehensive of possibilities Cindy's route has been made , despite some expectations, I wouldn't put it beyond them to pull off a similar big Gillian route, fuck just imagine a revenge path! But yeah they might decide the character is less malleable and has more or less a single path.
Well who am I to talk? I love NTR in other games as a good f95 user (God knows how much I love Seeds of Chaos). But as EK's eye says, Ian is the player's self-insertion.

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In my case probably because in real life being with a girl like Cindy or Holly is a frustrated dream and Chad Ian is the person I've tried to aspire to with frustration. I also play Axel with Lena just for morbid curiosity. Now, the reality of people who enjoy seeing their Ian humiliated as a cuck... well, it's all subjective.

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I am confused.
Far as I recall, the only girls I had Ian "romance" outside of Lena are Allison and Cindy.
huh? there's full Emma and Cherry routes. Did I misunderstand?
Damn kudos to EK. She has honestly the most complicated games of any VN.
Well they're probably a larger enterprise. As to complexity, there's amazing subtlety to their work yes, but it's a big world of devs out there. Check out Wife Trainer or X-Change Life if you're interested in such more sophisticated experience.
The Lena update. :sneaky:
 
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Ian's attitude towards Gillian is stored in a variable. So far the only functional difference (other than flavor text) is that "simp" Ian will automatically accept the coffee date, while Ian who was more aloof gets a choice whether he accepts the offer or not. Refusing nets you a Wits gain, but it's hard to say if the difference between attitude 2 and 3 in scenario where you do accept will play any role.

I mean, on one hand you could think this is similar to "set boundaries" with Cindy, but on the other hand i'm not sure if EK would want two very similar arcs in the game, and it is quite different to be rewarded with effective "this is a smart thing to do" for choosing to stay away, period, than just having slightly different attitude about keeping in touch.

Guess we'll have to see, but someone will be eating good either way. :whistle:
My thoughts are it won't be like Cindy's situation. The wits point simply indicates that rejecting your cheating ex is the right thing to do. You do that in any scenario irl. But I'm not playing as Ian, I am playing for myself:devilish:

The final scene that was put on hold after the alpha release gotta be the coffee date right?
 

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From my experience Cindy becomes conflicted no matter what choices you make. Even on a save totally dedicated to her, with all love choices, there will still be the photo with axel grabbing her tits. I think it's unavoidable, and to be honest, it makes sense since she JUST got out of a relationship. She even says it herself that everything is moving too fast. It sucks but it's a realistic depiction honesly. But we'll see next update if she can make a decision. It was kinda frustrating though..
That's because you two aren't setting boundaries with Cindy in chapter 12, before she leaves for the cruise and Ian leaves for the beach house. Instead of mindlessly picking the Heart option that says Ian trusts her, choose the "Quit playing with me option," it's a Wits option, and Ian will be firm with Cindy and set boundaries and expectations with her. Cindy then stops Axel's advances on the cruise, she'll even admit that there was an opportunity to have been with Axel, but she stopped him because she knew it would make Ian mad. Remember, Ian and Cindy are NOT a couple until chapter 13, when they finally have "the talk."

The simplest way is to use the switch in the game's settings to unlock full gallery.
Nah, you can't unlocked a WIP scene, because PilotLara hasn't added it to the Gallery yet. Keep in mind the Gallery is NOT made by EK. EK only adds it in as PilotLara makes the scenes available independantly. There is a chance that it will be available in the Beta or Final versions of this chapter.
 
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I don't know if I find Allison annoying or pathetic, tbh. She obviously wants Ian, but also wants to sleep around, or just overall have sex with other men.

But even in the route where she's doing just that, she really wants Ian to treat her like a girlfriend, emotionally speaking, and is upset when you don't make yourself available for it.
 

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I don't know if I find Allison annoying or pathetic, tbh. She obviously wants Ian, but also wants to sleep around, or just overall have sex with other men.

But even in the route where she's doing just that, she really wants Ian to treat her like a girlfriend, emotionally speaking, and is upset when you don't make yourself available for it.
She doesn't "want to sleep around" she only does so either if Ian encourages it or if he doesn't show her some kind of commitment.

Her crush on Ian is an old one, she's had to come to terms with it before and she doesn't let it limit her when it comes to chasing desire if she doesn't think he's interested. If she sleeps with Jeremy initially she stops doing so once Ian starts sleeping with her, Jeremy even says so directly to Ian.
 

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A minor complaint if Eva is reading:

I finally did a run-thru where Lena seduces Stan during a their photo session in Chapter 13, but then they have a proper date, and the dialogue still refers to it being Stan's first time even though Lena screwed him only a few hours earlier.
 
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One thing that bothered me in this release. I have several saves where Ian fucks Emma but only in one was I able to unlock the new outfit and sex scene. Why is it so difficult? I dont even know what the prerequisites are.
 

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I don't know if I find Allison annoying or pathetic, tbh. She obviously wants Ian, but also wants to sleep around, or just overall have sex with other men.

But even in the route where she's doing just that, she really wants Ian to treat her like a girlfriend, emotionally speaking, and is upset when you don't make yourself available for it.
She's a 28 year old with a failing career, who's on top of that just got out of a long-term relationship and had to move back into her parents' house. What were you expecting, realistically? Dignity and grace?
 

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She doesn't "want to sleep around" she only does so either if Ian encourages it or if he doesn't show her some kind of commitment.

Her crush on Ian is an old one, she's had to come to terms with it before and she doesn't let it limit her when it comes to chasing desire if she doesn't think he's interested. If she sleeps with Jeremy initially she stops doing so once Ian starts sleeping with her, Jeremy even says so directly to Ian.
No, they expect her that just because she's in love with Ian/wants him, Alison's supposed to wait only for him forever until he either returns his affection or she die. Wow, I thought only women believed in fairytales.
 

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Nah, you can't unlocked a WIP scene, because PilotLara hasn't added it to the Gallery yet.
Ahh i overlooked it's WIP as in, not actually done. For some reason thought that's just lock indicator.

(i confess, i don't really use gallery much. Be it here or in other games)
 
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