Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[DD69-1]

If you are a creator earning money on Patreon, we may be exposed to risk based on what you do with those funds. As a result, we may also look at what you do outside of Patreon

As a result, we may also look at what you do outside of Patreon --> this is exactly what they are doing now. It just takes a pissed off person with a handful of time and some proof which is widely available in this forum to submit it to the Patreon team and they will action it.

Considering the two bans that WWG got, Patreon isn't actively monitoring the creators [which would be impossible to do, because they have a lot of creators]. They only come into play when someone reports the creator, s yeah someone's been bad/naughty/pissed

 

[barglenarglezous]

Yeah, like I said before, it's not about ntr. There's more to it than just ntr, maybe there's a guy hiding it somewhere who's upset with avn's...

Edit: Three days ago another game was banned on Patreon, especially without explanation

I know Moniker Smith's Bloodlines' page was down late last month. And I know Expanding Universe Games' page was down until recently. Were there others?

 

[dartred]

I know Moniker Smith's Bloodlines' page was down late last month. And I know Expanding Universe Games' page was down until recently. Were there others?

The ones that only i know of, i'm sure there are many others. Apocalust, Heart Problems, My Dorm, Strong Desire, Milfylicious and My New Memories (and PV of course). I think Kris, the guy who handled PV, is the guy who was in charge of reviewing all of these games.

 

[sorco2003]

I think in your scenario Patreon would allow it, as long as the "decoy" content was they only thing they were aware of. If they got wind of the "real" content I'm sure they'd pull the plug. Which begs the question: how would a creator advertise their "real" content in such a way to direct supporters to subscribe to the "decoy" content, without leaving any evidence for Patreon to piece it together...?

AWAM did that and was banned based on the findings here in the zone. So, using decoys is as dangerous as using patches.

 

[Mouseinfo]

AWAM did that and was banned based on the findings here in the zone. So, using decoys is as dangerous as using patches.

What about a linktree or something similar? Direct traffic from F95 to the Link tree site and then Patreon would see traffic mainly from that platform. It would be much harder to prove a decoy in that circumstance because WWG has legitimate other socials and pages for fans to connect.

 

[sorco2003]

What about a linktree or something similar? Direct traffic from F95 to the Link tree site and then Patreon would see traffic mainly from that platform. It would be much harder to prove a decoy in that circumstance because WWG has legitimate other socials and pages for fans to connect.

Somewhere you have to explain what the game is about, and any place that says "this contains incest, bestiality and non-consensual sex" occupies the same place as the zone (not because it is F95 per se)
If the "real" content is advertised in any way, the same risk "we monitor what happens outside of Patreon" applies to any place linkable to the content offered. It would be a little more difficult to track, but trackable nonetheless.

 

[Hermit76]

I'm sorry, what? When exactly did the US change into a dictorial state, run by corporations? And no, I'm not talking about Patreon.

1776

 

[Mouseinfo]

Somewhere you have to explain what the game is about, and any place that says "this contains incest, bestiality and non-consensual sex" occupies the same place as the zone (not because it is F95 per se)
If the "real" content is advertised in any way, the same risk "we monitor what happens outside of Patreon" applies to any place linkable to the content offered. It would be a little more difficult to track, but trackable nonetheless.

I mean fair, the reality is that it would require additional steps where those patches would have to be provided/advertised outside of linktree and Patreon. But if they were posted here with a disclaimer that they are not provided by the dev...could that help? Just trying to think of solutions.

 

[sorco2003]

I mean fair, the reality is that it would require additional steps where those patches would have to be provided/advertised outside of linktree and Patreon. But if they were posted here with a disclaimer that they are not provided by the dev...could that help? Just trying to think of solutions.

Patches are always provided by third parties (if you read all disclaimers they are the same) and yet most bans happen the same (there are caveats, I remember now Over the moon that was put under review and came back, Single again I think too).
In this crusade the solution to continue in Patreon is to do the vanilla story... or just go to SS, although there the ToS was corrected, so that at some point they can join the crusade too (this said as a possibility not as a fact).

 

[Mouseinfo]

Patches are always provided by third parties (if you read all disclaimers they are the same) and yet most bans happen the same (there are caveats, I remember now Over the moon that was put under review and came back, Single again I think too).
In this crusade the solution to continue in Patreon is to do the vanilla story... or just go to SS, although there the ToS was corrected, so that at some point they can join the crusade too (this said as a possibility not as a fact).

I agree that SS will likely be the solution, but I empathize with WWG. They're so close to being finished with the story and then this all happens to mess with their revenue. I've seen other Devs indicate that the transition to SS is both time consuming and never recoups the same amount of revenue. Hopefully WWG still chooses to finish regardless, but I'd understand if the timelines are now significantly pushed back because of this.

Going full vanilla IMO would be just as poor of an outcome because the subscriber base has steadily increased due to non-vanilla content. I could be wrong, but don't think I am.

 

[Suprserpent]

Gigantic clit, huh?... Won't say no to that...

 

[Suprserpent]

How tall is Sterling? He's 19 and noticeably shorter than Brenna. What is he, 5'5?

 

[Fayn Arawn]

How tall is Sterling? He's 19 and noticeably shorter than Brenna. What is he, 5'5?

Sterling goes through quite the physical transformation during the story. Keep playing and see!

 

[Suprserpent]

Sterling goes through quite the physical transformation during the story. Keep playing and see!

My interest has been even more invigorated. Thanks for responding!

 

[Xioo-Pree]

anyone full gallery?

 

[pinkie96]

anyone full gallery?

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[dartred]

Probably second to last update on the Patreon saga. WWG got a response from F95 saying they won't remove the link. He shared that response with Patreon, showing that WWG attempted to have the link removed and it's out of his hands. Now he is waiting for Patreons response.

The only thing left is for what Patreon will do. Their is still the option of making him change URLs, but we'll see what they say. They usually take 2 to 3 days to respond.

 

[pinkie96]

Probably second to last update on the Patreon saga. WWG got a response from F95 saying they won't remove the link. He shared that response with Patreon, showing that WWG attempted to have the link removed and it's out of his hands. Now he is waiting for Patreons response.

The only thing left is for what Patreon will do. Their is still the option of making him change URLs, but we'll see what they say. They usually take 2 to 3 days to respond.

They're going to make WWG change the URL. Departments like this have to come back to their bosses and show something is being done even if it's something pointless. Patreon also want to have a record of them actively separating themselves from any content against their tos and percieved to be funded through their site.

It sucks but he's going to end up having to bite the bullet.

 

[Pervinator]

And what's to stop f95 immediately updating the link?

 

[ShadowTower456]

It's paradoxical, it's like someone criticizing the creators of GTA V for some MOD installed in the game by users