VN Ren'Py Radiant [v0.7.1] [RK Studios]

[YoraeRasante]

Blah blah blah.
I don't think there's a hole at all. Patreon is a creator support platform, not a store.
Defending them? Not quite. I just acknowledge that they are in fact, flesh and blood humans. And humans are fallible.
I used to support this game's development but haven't since January.

Emphasis on "creator" in that "creator support".

G. R. R. Martin is slow to create his latest books (helping in the whole story of Elden Ring before releasing it and all that). But he is not living through people waiting for that next book, he is living through the fans of his already released ones.

From what people here are complaining, it is not from the quality of the work, but how there is barely any work being done, no update in a whole year, yet the creator is living from the promises of a future update.

Living off of a creation that is not being created. Living off of, not creating, but promising of future creations.
And taking too long to deliver.

Does that even make them a creator still? Does that still make it fit your own definition of what Patreon is for?

You may think so. But most people here disagree. They want progress, they want updates, and they want proof that the support they are giving is being properly used.

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

They want...

Most children learn that what they want is not always what they get. Most times "I want" is ineffectual in gaining that item of worth and no amount of crying will help.
Nowhere on the game's patreon does it exclusively state that updates will happen every month/two months/three months or whatever.
The patreon is to support the game and not the developer. Sometimes supporting the game means a new 4K render or some such. Just because it's not the next update doesn't mean that it's in no way related to the game.
But I will agree on one thing. The deluge of wallpaper is quite the egregious example of doing next to nothing. When you consider we were more or less promised greater transparency and more frequent status posts and then nothing got posted for months? That's the exact opposite of "more frequent".
Though, all the people crying "scam" are clearly misinformed about what a scam is. A "scam" is when you are promised something but get nothing.
The wallpapers, unfortunately, prevent this being the "scam" status.

 

[Dogorti]

If this keeps up I say that the update can come out in March-April (?)

 

[Brannon]

Most children learn that what they want is not always what they get. Most times "I want" is ineffectual in gaining that item of worth and no amount of crying will help.
Nowhere on the game's patreon does it exclusively state that updates will happen every month/two months/three months or whatever.
The patreon is to support the game and not the developer. Sometimes supporting the game means a new 4K render or some such. Just because it's not the next update doesn't mean that it's in no way related to the game.
But I will agree on one thing. The deluge of wallpaper is quite the egregious example of doing next to nothing. When you consider we were more or less promised greater transparency and more frequent status posts and then nothing got posted for months? That's the exact opposite of "more frequent".
Though, all the people crying "scam" are clearly misinformed about what a scam is. A "scam" is when you are promised something but get nothing.
The wallpapers, unfortunately, prevent this being the "scam" status.

Partly correct.
The patreon has the purpose of supporting the developer.
It is in the patreon AGB which you are required to accept before making an account.
It is not tied to a specific thing the developer has, but the developer can make that link and it usually is done so.
Meaning the developer often him- or herself locks the purpose of the patreon page to game art and/or a game as a whole.
Often that is done via "helps me make XYZ" or "with your help...".
In this specific case it is:

Why should you support us?
We are creators with a huge passion for adult games and entertainment. By giving your support, you'll allow us to make this our full-time job, which means more games that you love, faster updates, higher quality, and more consistency. You're making a huge difference in our lives as creators and game developers, and we love and appreciate you all for this.

On his patreon page he talks ONLY about the game, not any additional art he does on the side.
Wallpapers are nice but those count as accessories shipped additionally to a game, not stuff in the game itself and thus are not counted as "warding off the scam complaints".
The patrons support the dev for making the game as he promised, he does not deliver the game or even updates but "useless Wallpapers" that are supposed to show progress.

THAT is what people are angry about.

If this keeps up I say that the update can come out in March-April (?)
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Which year?

 

[Squark ⚧❤️]

Partly correct.
The patreon has the purpose of supporting the developer.
It is in the patreon AGB which you are required to accept before making an account.
It is not tied to a specific thing the developer has, but the developer can make that link and it usually is done so.
Meaning the developer often him- or herself locks the purpose of the patreon page to game art and/or a game as a whole.
Often that is done via "helps me make XYZ" or "with your help...".
In this specific case it is:



On his patreon page he talks ONLY about the game, not any additional art he does on the side.
Wallpapers are nice but those count as accessories shipped additionally to a game, not stuff in the game itself and thus are not counted as "warding off the scam complaints".
The patrons support the dev for making the game as he promised, he does not deliver the game or even updates but "useless Wallpapers" that are supposed to show progress.

THAT is what people are angry about.

The Patreon is for Radiant, not RK Studios.
Dammed has another one for his other terminally stalled project - Polarity.
He's sort of bending the rules, setting up separate Patreon accounts for each project he's working on.

 

[dolfe67]

At least dev kept his word with making dev updates (2 for now, seems to be monthly). Will see if he keeps at it. He also changed the goals and removed the ridiculous one "help us get back at 1k5 patrons"

Dev updates are public but for those who don't follow them on patreon, here is the last one:

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10/27/22 08:18AM EST

Hi all. Forgive me in advance if I'm not sounding too chipper. I recently (and quite unexpectedly) had to say goodbye to a dog I hold very dear... my best friend and companion Mindy, a rescue who I bonded with quite a lot over the last 10 or so years. This just happened this past Wednesday, so as I'm sure many of you can imagine I'm feeling pretty down.

Depressing news out of the way... I have some more previews for you all! This time featuring (a very sick) Brooke, some fascinating looking fruits and dairy products (is our MC snooping around?), and of course our surprise visitor. As usual, I'd like to keep things pretty vague with the previews as to not give away any major spoilers, but I'm happy to report things are progressing steadily and we're well on-time/on the way to deliver Chapter 5 in the timeframe we've given you.

I've updated the

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to reflect this, and I should be updating it again/finishing up a few more scenes in the next week... maybe two. Thank you all so much for continuing to support us. We couldn't do this without you, and even though I'm quite down at the moment I can't WAIT for all of you to play the fifth chapter... and it's something I very much have to look forward to. I'll also be dropping some new and fun exclusive content on Patreon this coming month, so keep your eyes peeled for it!

Love you all,
SirD.

 

[lechef666]

what madman keeps bananas in the fridge?

 

[Grif1001]

what madman keeps bananas in the fridge?

I know right! Everyone knows that bananas belong in a hamock!

 

[Son of Durin]

what madman keeps bananas in the fridge?

You leave them out until they get the right amount of brown, then you put them in to hinder further browning. Best way to get peak sweet.

 

[armond]

You leave them out until they get the right amount of brown, then you put them in to hinder further browning. Best way to get peak sweet.

I keep them in the trash where they belong

 

[Son of Durin]

I keep them in the trash where they belong

Bless your heart!

 

[Dogorti]

what madman keeps bananas in the fridge?

Real men

 

[BigDaddyDom]

Nowhere on the game's patreon does it exclusively state that updates will happen every month/two months/three months or whatever.

Wow Squark, I'm impressed that after everything, you are still here defending these devs - that's not an "attack" btw, just a comment. Anyway, the claims of 2-3 month updates were made in this very thread. On his patreon, he also repeatedly promised quicker updates than had occurred.

Though, all the people crying "scam" are clearly misinformed about what a scam is. A "scam" is when you are promised something but get nothing. The wallpapers, unfortunately, prevent this being the "scam" status.

Well, your definition isn't quite accurate. A "scam" is when something specific is promised and not delivered...it's not the absence of getting nothing that makes something a scam. Example: If I promise you a car, you are not going to be any less pissed off when I give you a chocolate bar instead, just because you didn't get "nothing."

Dammed repeatedly promised that game updates would come by a specific date, and that promise wasn't met. He also promised they would be faster, and also didn't deliver on that. Their patreon goals literally stated updates would be faster once they hit certain financial goals, and that did not happen. People subscribe based on these promises and stipulated goals.

Dammed promised in this very thread (and on patreon) that update speed would be faster once they quit their regular jobs - not only did that not happen, development time increased/doubled in time. He also claimed early on they already quit their jobs, then their jobs were used later as an excuse for slow development. He also repeatedly promised more status updates, and until recently, didn't deliver on that either due to the most ridiculous of reasons. So ya, when people continue to support this game based on promises not delivered, then I'd say that qualifies as a scam...

 

[deadremix]

is it just me or there is no quickload but only a quicksave? how does that work?

also for harem path, how many of the girls are actually in the harem? can you have all? or only certain ones?

 

[Saber1995]

i get the updates take awhile but it is pretty good when it drops.. and remember its 3 paths they doing updates for and working on other games WHICH i wish they would pause and focus on this one sinces its clearly better

 

[Brannon]

You forgot a pretty important word.

Allegedly

Until the update concretely is released a normal user simply can't judge.
Before that point it boils down to marketing and PR.
Possibly with a lie or exaggeration sprinkled in for good measure ...


The "worth the wait" window gets smaller with each passing hour of waiting.
If you'd get a present now you'd be pumped.
If you now get nothing but instead get the same (or slightly improved) present in 6 month you are ... less than stoked.
If you got promised the present for now you instead get pissed when you get it in 6 month ...

 

[zedascove]

I have no problem at all with updates taking longer. I take issue with the developers lying about working full time nonstop on it when they've been working on other projects at the same time(they don't even try to hide it - besides his own game/patreon, Alorth has been allegedly involved in a number of adult games on this site as an artist mostly) and saying the updates are taking long because "muh superior quality".

I don't know how can anyone in his sane mind approve something like that. That's as immoral as it gets.

 

[Boogg]

Great update. I really like the direction the story is going in and the Alita hanger at the end? Interesting.

 

[zedascove]

Another funny thing I've read on their discord is SirD saying that there's data showing that they get more subscribers the faster they release the updates, that they could do that(release smaller, more frequent updates - as if they aren't small already for the development time) and thus earn more money, but they don't, again because of "muh superior quality".

I'm a businessman myself(I own multiple businesses and invest on stock market aswell) and the mantra in my "profession" is "time is money". Over the years I've learned to delegate duties and spend my time actually investing the money and that made me increase my profits way more than actually putting some elbow grease myself.

There's a popular saying "the more work you do, the less time you have to actually earn money". So yeah, what he said is bs(as is most of what comes out of his "fingers").

I'd believe it if he was DrPinkCake, but he knows this game will never be as popular as his if anything due to the themes alone and his time is better spent doing other things.

 

[GingerbreadMan]

When the game was first released I loved it. Went to Patreon to take a look.

Then I realized everyone involved had their own Patreon accounts on the side.
At that point, I decided that unless they were paid per update, no way in hell I would support this Patreon.

I get people not being happy if a dev alternates between different games if they don't like all of them.
But potentially paying multiple monthly contributions to a person that alternates, not just supporting them in general, but specifically based on projects they are known to not working on right then while also getting money for the projects they are working on - doesn't feel right.
For some time I supported some of them through their own Patreons because I liked their other projects too - but stopped doing so some time after because it felt! like none of their projects got updated on schedules that seemed worthwhile - especially compared to the update contents, or they were abandoned or got no satisfying endings.

I'm interested in the whole end result though, not some episodic stuff that gets canceled at the end of season 1 or 2 leaving everyone hanging, or is only good when consumed/looked at update by update. If the finale is not satisfying it sours what got you there.

I still like the game, but it's nothing I'm holding my breath for anymore - if there is some update at some point I'll play and enjoy it, but if no further updates come, I won't miss it. Which is pretty sad for what it could have been like.