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Couldn't agree more. What allows me to enjoy NTS is the tension of pushing the limits as far as they'll go without tearing, that is, no qualms about "oops moments", as long as the safe boundary is there, meaning a strong and constantly fuelled relationship between MC and FMC.
Definitely prefer a game that doesn't keep me worried that something might go wrong. Lust for adventure and plain lust are good motives, but if the menu includes emotional attachment to another guy, I'll go look elsewhere...
This bit got me a bit more worried. Punishment kink, don't think I have it... Sounds like a "justified" form of bullying - unless it's a "playful punishment" and comes out as another form of teasing. If it's an excuse to allow for actual intended humiliation/ego bashing that normally goes with NTR, but framed within an NTS story, it might be pushing it beyond my comfort zone. I don't enjoy purposefully inflicted pain, regardless of context. Happy relationships through and through. Having said that, the "first fight" idea does sound cool as a way to push things further - at least it's a good alternative to "meek acceptance" or the "silently acknowledging it" horny tropes.
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I mean... I don't really understand why people think we use the same art style:
and regarding the animation style... I don't know... I use a different animator than him :/
My only concern about the punishment kink is that's the FMC will get so into it that she then starts to push the boundaries of what is acceptable then it snow balls .... But from what I've seen/heard from the Devs I don't think that will be an issue but you just never know haha
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This is a really good reason to hold off during early development... Should go back to Skyrim and Loverslab for a while.
Edit: quick post came off differently than I intended, what I mean is that I prefer waiting to enjoy the new content more, especially if it's going in the right direction. Other than being an actual tester, which I've done a number of times and don't mind doing at all, but then you're not just playing for your own enjoyment. I do like giving feedback.
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I find it personally something to be difficult to manage properly. Constantly talking about what's okay and what the next step-up is, can become very monotone and boring. There needs to be a point where they just trust each other. I take my time with Alice's progression and every chapter she'll go one step further, but as what was shown in Chapter 4, Alice is still trying to find her footing, so occasionaly, Luke will remind her of when she over-steps or when he's not okay with something. And I just love reclamation scenes ;D
I completely get that it's a very fine line on one hand you don't want to lean into it to much and people complain there's to much but on the other hand you don't want to do too little that it feels like it never happens - my suggestion would be wild your finding your feet with it would be to get a handful of beta testers to play new content first for general feedback then you can make a decision if you want to make adjustments or proceed to general release, the reclamation scenes are really well done so kudos I'm hoping that some of that dominance and general swager then start to filter into his day to day life just enough so you know it's only him that calls the shots but not to much that he comes across as a douchebag and the audience dislikes him
So far I'm been impressed with the relationship dynamic between Luke and Alice
I have around 5-6 people in the team who help with playtesting/proofreading, so I should be fine on that front. I mean, unless everything up until this point has been shit, then I might need to re-evaluate things
Honestly if it was shit you'd know about it by now , I genuinely think your on to a winner here with what you've put together so far I really do
Personally for the game has been a breath of fresh air and as much as I would like to see it go a certain way it's your vision at the end of the day so don't let that change your path , as much as I think it's good that Devs engage with there audience and do polls of things to add to the game I also think it can back fire as it can deviate the game from the vision that was in place then it can go off the rails
One thing part of me has been curious about and I mainly just wanted to get your opinion... Now I know you stated that there would be no options to make choices but I started thinking during the photoshoot with Sophie ( I hope to god I got that right) part of me was curious and wondered how would it of played out if you where given say the option to be dominant or submissive in the scene, now not submissive to the point where your a cuck or anything just more that she calls the shots .. well then made me think I wonder would there be scenes like that in the future that would benefit from something like that
Again this isn't me being like this is something that needs to go into the game , I really just wanted to get your view on it or if it was something you had considered in the past
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Intresting I actually find Luke and Alice relationship pretty boring. I see her as a fucktoy/doll for MC where she becomes super submissive to him and let him to whatever he wants, while also obeying his commands beacause of fear of losing him. She already did much bigger steps towards sharing him with other girls and it all happens in a span of a single update(chapter 4) but also a single day with Kate and Sophie. I guess the only other relationship I might hate more is Luke and Sarah (her switch to liking him/falling in love after seeing a dick pic) but that part was barely in the story so far.
I do like Kate thought and I'm curious what will be her development and I prey that her reverse bunny outfit from Ch.1 will make a comeback
I do like Kate thought and I'm curious what will be her development and I prey that her reverse bunny outfit from Ch.1 will make a comeback
That is an interesting take on it , part of me agrees with you that is could see Alice like that in the early days until she gains more confidence but I don't see it being a 50/50 split I do genuinely think Luke will hold more over her than she does over him ... I just wouldn't know how much that spilt would be , but I do also agree on the part around the fear of losing him especially with the back story of rob and how that made her feel I just don't see her doing anything without Luke's consent , but who knows only the Dev does but I would be genuinely surprised if it did happen that she cheated for me it just wouldn't fit with the stories foundations
Also out of curiosity what was it about there relationship you found boring?
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Basically I just think Alice kinda goes with the flow and doesn't have her own thoughts. She is just lucky that she finds what she likes or belives she likes it. She is only allowed to do what he lets her, while she is giving him a green flag to have sex with others in a span of one talk with Kate and Sophie (don't blame her tbh I would also fold when Sophie and Kate were involved). In early chapters Alice belives that she needs to be more slutty beacuse Luke might get bored(she got that idea from Sophie), he likes the idea of her teasing others but wants to take it slow. Later she is talked by Sophie and Kate that it's selfish that only she would fool with others(even thought that's not how sharing works but Luke and Alice might prefer open relation rather then sharing one) but they only say that because they want to fuck Luke.
It just feels like I said very "owner-fucktoy/doll relationship" rather then boyfriend/girlfriend that are exploring kinks. That is fine I just find that boring and I'm gonna focus on the hot scenarios and hot characters (like my goddess Kate)
It just feels like I said very "owner-fucktoy/doll relationship" rather then boyfriend/girlfriend that are exploring kinks. That is fine I just find that boring and I'm gonna focus on the hot scenarios and hot characters (like my goddess Kate)
Interesting so do you think she only wants to be a slut cause everyone else is doing it sort of thing then? Essentially not wanting to get left behind rather than it being something she is actually into.
Honestly I'm glad that they have set it as they want to tease each other rather than one or the other keeps it fresh for me personally, based on what you've said are you suggesting a cuckqueen situation, tho I must admit I would like it that Luke gets her to courrpt other women for Luke so that luke is the one ntring other males would be a nice spin on it
Oooo for sure Kate is an absolute babe
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Yeah I think she never was thinking about it really I belive she would be fine having a classic relationship but beacause Sophie was basically right about it because Luke enjoys it, she does it for him beacause he will "punish" her later and that's what she enjoys from it.
and yeah I think it's gonna be cuckqueen situation with how fast she agreed it. She finds that hot when in other way she likes it only beacause Luke will punish her after. Unfortunately I don't see Alice being a type to corrupt others, looking how easly she got talked into sharing Luke(Vi from MNGF has that potential). Rather it's gonna be Kate and Sophie corrupting Alice into cuckqueen role so they can have Luke for themself
Honestly I completely see your point I suppose at the time I didn't think about it but your logic is sound , with that it could lead to her lying about doing things and getting involved with other people just to get that punishment from Luke , honestly now I think about it is it even the punishment side she enjoys or is it just a means to an end to get intimacy from Luke and feel the desire to be wanted and to be someone's unconditionally
You could also be on to something with Kate and Sophie and I would also agree with your point about vi also
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Stuff I gotta answer is backing up, so I'm addressing a bunch I can answer offhand.
As for the scene that's already there, I'd say it's FUCKING FANTASTIC, very naturally agro which, when done this well, beats framed "play" any time (as all spontaneous situations do beat artificial scenarios).
I'd also venture that, since you seem to be enjoying yourself, you're less vanilla than you claim to be
I've been going back and forth on mentioning the stuff in a review or to just discuss it here and wanted to reread the text. I'm glad to see someone else noting the same issues. (I even have a note on how Sarah could be better scripted and how Luke's boyish goodlooks, countryside chivarly-esque respect for women, disarming demeanour and ernst charisma would be a better basis for the various Ladies' interest in him- as opposed to le cocke!).
But I disagree with conclusion that it's an owner-toy dynamic and with what seems to be an ultimately negative take on most(? aside from Kate...) of the dimensions:
Despite the mono/dialogues being here-and-there off and reducing personality changes to the span of seconds while making funny leaps of logics I think the structure holds. I know we tend to think of the characters' words as the story and of the structure less as part of the writing but the opposite can be truer. The progression IS written out well and visually IS paced reasonably (of course if devs and hungry fans allowed us more episodes and slower development it may be even better, but still). I think even the most radical of these criticisms, which I fully agree with, do not need any drastic solutions (maybe not even an extra render); just some revision of the chracter's monologues and some of the conversations.
This VN is the most strucurally complex of the bunch, so it makes sense that dev's have been taking their time more in writing the plot than with the text, which is coming off here and there as if it's just generic fillers for what the plot is doing of its own accord. So I'm not only very optimistic, but can enjoy everything as is since even when some aspect of the experience is weak, some other aspect is doing carrying it well.
(really sleepy, excuse the typos etc.,one and all. Sorrieses)
hmm.. yeah they're both young, MNG more like highschool feel, and Luke's the young adult AND country boy meets city. Their demeanour, dominant or not really captured for me that old feeling from when I was a kid, ecstasy and the joyful disbelief and elation at the gf enjoying the stuff.
I understand, esp. this is a VN, though it could make for interesting "gaming" the constant worry. Anyway, I was mainly referring to what's already in the game (Alice's monologues, her worrying that history might repeat itself, etc.) and I do think it could've been better fleshed out. Also some similar or different types of worry, at least at early stages would not be out of place for Luke.
Also here I was referring to what's already in the monologue and, later, in the action: Alice starts wondering, very on-the-nose-ly, about her desire to be punished by Luke. Though an avid BDSM-guy, I was by no means asking for more. Rather I was criticising that the genesis of the desire in that first monologue was abrupt and could have been better developed, like for example by giving her a taste of Luke's anger, then making up or just thinking it over plants the seed, etc.
As for the scene that's already there, I'd say it's FUCKING FANTASTIC, very naturally agro which, when done this well, beats framed "play" any time (as all spontaneous situations do beat artificial scenarios).
I'd also venture that, since you seem to be enjoying yourself, you're less vanilla than you claim to be
Some of this is more or less what I've also been critiquing/discussing. My overall assessment, however, is significantly more positive.
I've been going back and forth on mentioning the stuff in a review or to just discuss it here and wanted to reread the text. I'm glad to see someone else noting the same issues. (I even have a note on how Sarah could be better scripted and how Luke's boyish goodlooks, countryside chivarly-esque respect for women, disarming demeanour and ernst charisma would be a better basis for the various Ladies' interest in him- as opposed to le cocke!).
But I disagree with conclusion that it's an owner-toy dynamic and with what seems to be an ultimately negative take on most(? aside from Kate...) of the dimensions:
Despite the mono/dialogues being here-and-there off and reducing personality changes to the span of seconds while making funny leaps of logics I think the structure holds. I know we tend to think of the characters' words as the story and of the structure less as part of the writing but the opposite can be truer. The progression IS written out well and visually IS paced reasonably (of course if devs and hungry fans allowed us more episodes and slower development it may be even better, but still). I think even the most radical of these criticisms, which I fully agree with, do not need any drastic solutions (maybe not even an extra render); just some revision of the chracter's monologues and some of the conversations.
This VN is the most strucurally complex of the bunch, so it makes sense that dev's have been taking their time more in writing the plot than with the text, which is coming off here and there as if it's just generic fillers for what the plot is doing of its own accord. So I'm not only very optimistic, but can enjoy everything as is since even when some aspect of the experience is weak, some other aspect is doing carrying it well.
(really sleepy, excuse the typos etc.,one and all. Sorrieses)
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I downloaded it and started a run-through tonight, so far I've got up to meeting Sophie, and I have to say, while the idea of Sophie and her behaviour is hot to any red-blooded man, it feels slightly unnatural how easily Alice falls for her tricks about acting just like Sophie because "every man like's a slutty girlfriend", while that may be technically true in the sense that men want "a freak in the sheets", most men don't care for "a freak in the streets" (the full expression I believe goes something like "A lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets" It's quite rare to find a man who wants it either the other way around or to have a freak in both instances), which is what makes this feel like it deviates from the ideals that men like slutty girls, it has the idea right, but not the implementation at least in my opinion anyway, in this present timeline I may now be in the minority, who knows. Just thought I'd share my thoughts though
I will be brutally honest though and say it feels like it's an 'easy' way to allow for the "transformation" of Alice into more slutty behaviour both with Luke and potentially other guys (haven't got that far yet), all without deviating from the overarching storyline that is already in place, it has its merits and its place in society but it just doesn't fit with beliefs and ideals that men of any calibre want a slutty partner who is willing to act so brazenly in the open in front of other men.
I appreciate you advising me to give it a trial run though, and I will continue to play through it when I get the time, but for now, my initial thoughts are that Alice seems far too easily corruptible, especially by her 'best friend' who she still feels betrayed by (this is how I interpreted the in-game dialogue as it seems to try to explain that Alice still feels like Sophie went behind her back/betrayed her trust and friendship).
By all means, read and respond to this comment but don't feel like you have to take any of this as gospel, this is your game and your dream, and you should make it the way you envisioned it.