Others Sinful Spaces [v0.8.2.5.1] [Naughty Duo]

[OrkyRoks]

Love the game art and yes I know it's been said many times and I will repeat it again
Despite being a softcore design I don't mind it at all cause this is rather relaxing for being very tamed by nature
Love to see more games that are focused on voyeur nudity or just more tamed softcore side of things


Take this feedback on what I have to say

There are 35+ in the character pool to choose from a few major critical issues to point out:

1. Lack of starter choices when starting a new game
Starting a new game generates 4 characters from the randomly chosen character pool of 35+ characters, and I only get to choose 3. Meaning that is already going to be very limited when there is already a hand full of characters I don't like as starters. It forces me to quit and restart.
My suggestion for this?
Allow us players to access the character pool of 35+ and allow us to handpick our characters instead of going through the trouble of quitting and restarting the new game repeatedly.
That character pool of 35+ is going to grow even more as more future updates arrive so imagine that needless repetition from the above actions. That is going to be very painful for random pick when people like me who wants to hand pick their starters from the character pool.
Then for those who doesn't care about choices they can click a random button to generate 3 random characters from the 35+ character pool.

Keep mind this
Just because I didn't like some of those characters as starters it doesn't mean I don't play with those characters at all. Cause I will eventually get back to them later on in the game. I just don't want to see them as a starter.

2. Skip the dialogues choices
There should be an option to skip already read dialogues and tutorials. Also for anyone that doesn't care about dialogues and tutorials at all there should be a check box option that allows players to able to skip all of it.

3. *Huge* grind problem by design flaw
At one point I'm seeing a /6400 requirement and that is already pretty ridiculously grindy even at low grind.
/6400 either obsessions or intimacy. So 6400 x (Character Pool Size) = Total Exp Needed
Character pool size = 35+.
As of v0.8.2.5.1 it's
6400 x 35 = 224000 Total Exp
Imagine a character pool of 50, 60, 80... Yikes!
And this is only for gaining ONE level up across the character pool size. Yes this is at 'low' grind.

At 35+... It's already so much of a grind to point I had given up.
Despite the character pool size of 35+ I didn't even get a chance to go through half of them nor even have the chance to go through all of my favorite characters that I really want.
Very few of them even made it passed concubines cause most of them are tenants. It was already a chore to handle promoting 10 tenants up pass novice/servant stages. Very few of them even make into the concubine stages.
Big issue is going through the requirements for novice/servant and concubine stages.

I believe the critical point that lead up to that was the limited hacking slots while the rest of it is locked behind a paywall...
Despite this being an unpopular opinion/decision to developers but at the same time this is not an issue to ignore. Cause as players don't even get a chance to fully get through even half of that character pool size means we don't get the full experience of the game it's designed for in the first place.
Then at the point I even ask what is the point into having 3 save slots if the game is designed to forces us to only focus on one save from the beginning...?

There needs to be some thing to accommodate that 35+ character pool size cause that character pool will continue to grow.
I'm not talking about just some kind of exp multiplier available in the skill tree cause that is a lazy and most of those are a quick and rather sloppy bandage solution. It gets out of hand when the character pool gets too large.

4. Redo the minimum 2 tenants requirements for peek action
I have 3 tenants then 2 tenants are maxed out in obsession and 1 tenant I haven't touched at all.
At 35+ characters if 34 of them are maxed in obsession and that 1 tenant is at stuck at obsession level 8 then that tenant will forever be stuck at level 8.
Every time I attempt to peek it says:
"You need at least 2 available tenants for this action"
The game requirement won't allow that to happen and I will wasted a day cause I can't undo that action...

As of 0.8.2.5.1 I will very likely have at least 1 character with an incomplete gallery

My suggestion?
Allow the players the choice to peep again for MAX obsession.
The players that only care about the obsession exp leveling for the characters then they should still have the choice to skip character with MAX obsession.
Players who does choose to peek again at MAX obsession should be able to choose from 1 of 15 from the gallery pictures instead being limited to only viewing gallery picture #15. Cause if I like gallery picture #1 to #14 more than #15 then if I peek again I should be able to see #1 to #14 as a reward for peeking again at MAX obsession when I don't even get anymore exp for level up.

 

[fans146496]

mark first

 

[swanky4]

A brief feedback and suggestions (edit : not so brief).

I really like that you're adding a story and making the npcs more interesting (tenants and family).

The achievement system is a great idea, you could do a lot of things with this, not just the tiers you're doing right now (which are good already). It could be a way to unlock rewards. Money, repair kits or gift for the easiest achivements, new outfits for the tenants and maybe achievement exclusive tenants for the more difficult achievements. Achievements is a great and easy way to provide goals for players.
These achievements could be like the ones you already have, but not tied to a tier, they would be available at all times. Example of achievements could be like the ones you already have (get X tenants at Y intimacy/obsession) but also since tenants have many specific traits you could use them. For example get X tenants between 18 and 23 years old (maybe add stats values for more difficult achievements), instead of the age, you could also use the continent of origin (it's already showing at the airport, so might as well use this). And I'm sure you could come up with other types of achievements and rewards, in addition to the tier system already implemented.

About the free version, having only 2 hacking slots is really hardcore (but maybe it's because I like to play with multiple simultaneous tenants). I played previous free versions where the hacking slots weren't limited, which allowed me to progress nicely in the game, but if I hadn't and played for the first time with a 2 hacking slots version, I might have just stopped playing. Since I'm obsessed with achievements, maybe the free version could have a few achievements allowing them to unlock a couple more hacking slots.
And it's great to have the beach available in the free version ! Also, the dual tenants date system (volley ball) is really nice. A suggestion about this : it would be nice to have some eye candy during this double date. A picture of the two tenants together in their beach outfit (or less...). Of course, considering the amount of tenants you couldn't do all the combinations, but it would be a nice surprise to have some. I have no idea how time consuming it is to make a quality picture so maybe it wouldn't be worth investing a lot of time in a minor feature.

About the Lucky Dice being replaced by mini games, I'm concerned here. Introducing mini games can really break a game for some players, especially when you add a lot of them, and we roll Lucky Dice a lot ! Be careful with mini games and listen carefully to the feedback players will give.

And finally, the question everyone is asking : will there be sex scenes, and if there will, have you started working on them ? I'm asking because I wonder if the huge amount of tenants will not make that task harder and harder, the more there are.

Do you have any kind of interactions planned between tenants ? Right now, it feels like they all live in different houses in different cities. It would be a great idea for difficult achievements. For example You make a scene (any kind of (preferably sexy) event in the MC's apartment or in one of the tenant's apartment) with specific multiple tenants (3 sounds nice) and make it a reward for an achievement : "Unlock specific tenants X, Y and Z (for example Vanessa, Nubia and Sofia), get them to A/B intimacy/obsession (or a rank like Servant or Wife)" The only issue would be selecting tenants, because some players will prefer male tenants, or female tenants or a mix.

I will not talk for all players, but instead of new systems (even if I like systems, it's a management game after all, I'm absolutely not asking for a VN), I'd rather see more interactions with tenants, between tenants, with NPCs or between tenants and NPCs. But again, the large amounts of tenants might make this too difficult. An option would be to have a selection of tenants who would be more fleshed out (interacting with each other, the MC, NPCs) while others would remain more basic.

I find it a little weird that you decided to make the NPCs family members of the MC. Unless you add incest (which I wouldn't mind) it means we will never have a sexual interaction with those really attractive characters.

I'm just getting around to playing a newer version with limited spying slots and it kind of killed my motivation to play any further. Leveling up girls was already slow enough with 8 slots because of how big the trees are, so now with less than half of that it barely seems worth bothering.

 

[highphoenix]

Limited spying sucks. Also what sucks is that the spying slots are not remembered when game is shut down. Girls with full unlocked tree should not be available for putting into slot, or should have some indicator.
Events like key opening should indicate which girls have +5 standing.

 

[al9uien]

Is there a way, an app, a magic trick to EXTRACT the images from the data.win? I mean i tried EVERY single option out there and there's no way.

 

[Bitter Ballen Games]

Tks for this!

 

[naughtyduo]

Limited spying sucks. Also what sucks is that the spying slots are not remembered when game is shut down. Girls with full unlocked tree should not be available for putting into slot, or should have some indicator.
Events like key opening should indicate which girls have +5 standing.

Hey, tks for your comment and feedback! We really appreciate hearing your thoughts. We've taken this point to the team for discussion, and we'll consider it for future prioritization and improvements. Stay tuned for updates, and thanks for being part of our community!

 

[naughtyduo]

I'm just getting around to playing a newer version with limited spying slots and it kind of killed my motivation to play any further. Leveling up girls was already slow enough with 8 slots because of how big the trees are, so now with less than half of that it barely seems worth bothering.

we'll consider it for future prioritization and improvements.

 

[naughtyduo]

Love the game art and yes I know it's been said many times and I will repeat it again
Despite being a softcore design I don't mind it at all cause this is rather relaxing for being very tamed by nature
Love to see more games that are focused on voyeur nudity or just more tamed softcore side of things


Take this feedback on what I have to say

There are 35+ in the character pool to choose from a few major critical issues to point out:

1. Lack of starter choices when starting a new game
Starting a new game generates 4 characters from the randomly chosen character pool of 35+ characters, and I only get to choose 3. Meaning that is already going to be very limited when there is already a hand full of characters I don't like as starters. It forces me to quit and restart.
My suggestion for this?
Allow us players to access the character pool of 35+ and allow us to handpick our characters instead of going through the trouble of quitting and restarting the new game repeatedly.
That character pool of 35+ is going to grow even more as more future updates arrive so imagine that needless repetition from the above actions. That is going to be very painful for random pick when people like me who wants to hand pick their starters from the character pool.
Then for those who doesn't care about choices they can click a random button to generate 3 random characters from the 35+ character pool.

Keep mind this
Just because I didn't like some characters as starters it doesn't mean I don't those characters at all. Cause I will eventually get back to them later on in the game. I just don't want to see them as a starter.

2. Skip the dialogues choices
There should be an option to skip already read dialogues and tutorials. Also for anyone what doesn't care about dialogues and tutorials at all they should be a check box option that allows players to able to skip all of it.

3. *Huge* grind problem by design flaw
At one point I'm seeing a /6400 requirement and that is already pretty ridiculously grindy even at low grind.
/6400 either obession or intimacy. So 6400 x (Character Pool Size) = Total Exp Needed
Character pool size = 35+.
As of v0.8.2.5.1 it's
6400 x 35 = 224000 Total Exp
Imagine a character pool of 50, 60, 80... Yikes!
And this is only for gaining ONE level up. Yes this is at 'low' grind.

At 35+... It's already so much of a grind to point I had given up.
Despite the character pool size of 35+ I didn't even get a chance to go through half of them nor even have the chance to go through all of my favorite characters that I really want.
Very few of them even made it passed concubines cause most of them are tenants. It was already a chore to handle promoting 10 tenants up pass novice/servant stages. Very few of them even make into the concubine stages.
Big issue is going through the requirements for novice/servant and concubine stages.

I believe the critical point that lead up to that was the limited hacking slots while the rest of it is locked behind a paywall...
Despite this being an unpopular opinion/decision to developers but at the same time this is not an issue to ignore. Cause as players don't even get a chance to fully get through even half of that character pool size means we don't get the full experience of the game it's designed for in the first place.
Then at the point I even ask what is the point into having 3 save slots if the game is designed to forces us to only focus on one save from the beginning...?

There needs to be some thing to accommodate that 35+ character pool size cause that character pool will continue to grow.
I'm not talking about just some kind of exp multiplier available in the skill tree cause that is a lazy and most of those are a quick and rather sloppy bandage solution. It gets out of hand when the character pool gets too large.

4. Redo the minimum 2 tenants requirements for peek action
I have 3 tenants then 2 tenants are maxed out in obsession and 1 tenant I haven't touched at all.
At 35+ characters if 34 of them are maxed in obsession and that 1 tenant is at stuck at obsession level 8 then that tenant will forever be stuck at level 8.
Every time I attempt to peek it says:
"You need at least 2 available tenants for this action"
The game requirement won't allow that to happen and I will wasted a day cause I don't undo that action...

As of 0.8.2.5.1 I will very likely have at least 1 character with an incomplete gallery

My suggestion?
Allow the players the choice to peep again for MAX obsession.
The players that only care about the obsession exp leveling for the characters then they should still have the choice to skip character with MAX obsession.
Players who does choose to peek again at MAX obsession should be able to choose from 1 of 15 from the gallery pictures instead being limited to only viewing gallery picture #15. Cause if I like gallery picture #1 to #14 more than #15 then if I peek again I should be able to see #1 to #14 as a reward for peeking again at MAX obsession when I don't even get anymore exp for level up.

Hey! First of all, we really appreciate the time you took to structure such detailed feedback. It’s incredibly valuable to us.

We’ve collected and mapped out all the points you mentioned to bring them up for discussion with the team. We truly believe that a game can only improve and grow when players share suggestions and ideas, and we’re always open to hearing what the community has to say.

As we roll out updates, we experiment with new mechanics, but we know that not every decision ends up being the best one. There are also some limitations in the free version available on F95 that sometimes don’t get properly validated before release, which can lead to balance issues—like the hacking slots, for example. A lot of players have brought this up in the latest update, and we’re evaluating how to address it.

Our goal is never to harm the player experience or lock content away, but at the same time, we rely on Patreon support to keep working on the game and making it better. This is our job, and we depend on the community to move forward.

Again, thanks so much for your input! A new update is coming at the end of the month, so stay tuned!

 

[naughtyduo]

naughtyduo
First of all, thank you for the game and the new update.

In the current 8.2.3 public version seems to be a bug that dismisses Caroline from your building when you dismiss other tennants. I dismissed Darika and Carloline was also gone...

Had another incident where Darika was dismissed as well...

Question concerning path decisions:

The Servant path is titled with Dominatrix which is contradictory in my eyes, as a servant is submissive while a dominatrix is dominant...
If you go for the servant in the beginning, will you still be able to choose between wife and dungeon pet at the end? Will there be different pahts? like servant -> concubine ->wife and sevant -> concubine -> dungeon pet or will you have set the path with the first decision?

Will the decisions be just of cosmetic nature +/-50 rent or will that influence the endgame in some way?

Some further observations:

- The Game is seriously grindy if you want to get the most of the money out of it as you have to increase rent again and again and peek previously. Actual payed rent can start out as low as 80 or 90 (I think) and you can increase it up to 230 in the first instance.... Maybe there is a way to reduce that at the beginning although that mightbe the perfectionist in me speaking.
- QoL: I suggest to add a button to automatically increase rent to max in the profile so that you can earlier switch to automatically extend contracts.
- Story: Maybe I misunderstood something, but Ms Verga seems to be your mom, and the girls in the differnt locations your sisters. Strikes me as odd that Max calls her sister Ms. Verga. Same goes for the MC interacting with his sisters. I don't know if that was caused by the patreon rules but that could be fixed by either getting brother/sister/mother in or by extending the lore a bit that clearly states the relationship between them.
- Story: The girls at the airport and at the beach seem to set up the stage for the late/endgame. But I'm currently not even through the first quarter (tenant stage) and I already maxed them out, they are naked and through the deepest secrets of Ms Verga at me. Maybe put a stopgap in here so that the later stages only come up when you have enough girls in the concubine/wife stages.
- Opening just 2of 6 hacking slots is either very ingenious or very evil...or both

Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to how the game develops in the future.

Hello,

Thank you so much for bringing up all these points. We've definitely mapped out several suggestions from your feedback for our discussions.

Regarding the path you choose, it is definitive, but it does not impact the game's ending—only the story you build with that character, based on your desires for her. There is no advantage or loss, regardless of the chosen path.

A new update will be available soon. If you're interested, feel free to follow our Patreon page as well.

Thanks again!

 

[naughtyduo]

Hello,
I think I have a problem. In the Achievement part, during Level III, I accepted the 2 first Achievement with Megara. It was weird, it collected both, but gave me only 1 star with Max. I have the feeling I'm stuck and I can't have the last gold star.
Is it a bug? How can I unlock the next gold star?

Edit: I updated my review

I will evaluate and respond shortly.

 

[naughtyduo]

I don't really mind AI images unless theres is mistakes everywhere like 5 fingers or 2 mouths etc.
What really bothers me is that AI can't handle moving objects well so that leaves us with games with no sex scenes or ones that look like crap.

Yeah, it's still very limited, so we haven't included anything of that level in the game. It's not just a decision not to include hotter scenes or sex, but we won't consider anything. We value quality.

 

[Morkar]

Personally, the next updates should focus on adding MORE content of the girls that are already there instead of adding more and more and it doesn't have to be animations or anything like that, surely with static images and text boxes describing the scene more than enough, mauh many games with AI porn like that and they work well.

 

[OrkyRoks]

Hey! First of all, we really appreciate the time you took to structure such detailed feedback. It’s incredibly valuable to us.

We’ve collected and mapped out all the points you mentioned to bring them up for discussion with the team. We truly believe that a game can only improve and grow when players share suggestions and ideas, and we’re always open to hearing what the community has to say.

As we roll out updates, we experiment with new mechanics, but we know that not every decision ends up being the best one. There are also some limitations in the free version available on F95 that sometimes don’t get properly validated before release, which can lead to balance issues—like the hacking slots, for example. A lot of players have brought this up in the latest update, and we’re evaluating how to address it.

Our goal is never to harm the player experience or lock content away, but at the same time, we rely on Patreon support to keep working on the game and making it better. This is our job, and we depend on the community to move forward.

Again, thanks so much for your input! A new update is coming at the end of the month, so stay tuned!

Available hacking slots is only an example
The real issue is the exp requirement growing out of control at /6400+ cause it keeps on doubling
As a player I'm at the point where I didn't even go through half of the character pool size so there is another issue needed to address and so far none of these has got anything to do with the paywall locked away content

My suggestion for #3 ?
Increase the exp gain to scale with the /6400+ doubling exp requirement growth cause in 2 level gains I already need 4x the requirements and that is ridiculous
This can be addressed by either redesigning it in a new skill tree or bonus exp gain items + equippables or as unlockables that players achieve with gradually progression
So far the most exp gains for active peeping + active dating but there is no passive exp gains at all except for easy
Why does that matter ? I can't even go through half of those 35+ character pool at all... There needs to be a passive exp gain system to handle the ever growing character pool size before that grind gets even more ridiculously out of control

As a player I want to be able to promote to and passed concubine stages as I play and I will repeat what I have written
It was already a chore to handle promoting 10 tenants up pass novice/servant stages

Suggestion summary:
-Redesign the skill tree
-Gain bonus Exp from new items + equippables
-Exp gain needs to scale with the /6400+ doubling Exp requirement
-Passive Exp gain for characters you have already met
-Unlockables to help reduce the Exp grinds and it can be gained by progression