I'm frankly disgusted, it's a feeling I've had with the passing of the updates, and with several characters, but they all have one thing in common: Frank. Frank's personality, or at least the framework of his character has become increasingly faded and blurred over time. A wimp who has no will to oppose in hardly anything. The character that causes this the most is Becca, but in this latest update, Abby is the one who has taken advantage of that. And I don't like it, it makes it seem like the decisions don't matter. If I could rewrite Frank, or assume about him, he would never have messed with or even thought of Abby this way, just for one thing: he has too much of Jessica in his mind, he still loves and respects her as much as he did when she was alive, and I dare say he even loves her more than his current family (of course he would never admit it because Frank is made to represent the morally correct). I don't dislike Abby (though I hate her redesign), but I don't know, this route has already tired me out. I'd even like an option where everything gets fucked up and Frank disappears because he doesn't want to change the relationship he has with Abby, just something different, that a choice feels real, and that Frank stops being an avatar not of us players, but an avatar of his daughters' desires.
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- Feb 27, 2018
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That last scene sums up this game so perfectly. Abby pushing, nearly outright bullying Frank, while he lays there whining and they basically argued in a circle for like (in there time) 20 minutes until Abby went to sleep. That was poorly written, they kept saying the same things over and over just in different ways.
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It is weird seeing people call Frank a wimp, when he isn't shown to be that. Frank has no problem going for girls that he wasn't related to. Will he regularly screw the married lesbian and eventually agree to knock her up? Yup. Will he screw the well stacked, purple haired hottie? No problem. Will he go for a quickie with Darla (the daughter of the judge) after knowing her for 5 minutes? Easy. Heck, while he is slow to start with Mei, it doesn't take him nearly as long to start things with her. His only reservations are with girls he considers daughters. He isn't a wimp, he just isn't a deviant, perverted piece of shit. This game is a grooming and corruption game, except it is the girls doing the corruption on a father who actually has strong morals.
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many people call Frank a wimp ,and he has show that.
he doesn't have a problem with girls who aren't related to him ,who would? especially considering they are throw at him and required little or no effort! all he has to do is drop his pants.
Being with Mei is because her parents push hard for it,literally telling her she's to tread him like a husband,she herself is ok with it because she's always had a crush on him.
He is going slow initially because he believes it will Blow over or is a joke and there will be other relationship with mei aside from a professional one,but when it does start the develop he is indecisive about it.
"Will he regularly screw the married lesbian and eventually agree to knock her up?" only if the player agrees,but again the entire effort & start comes from the women's side(naturally). and frank just goes along with the decisions made by the women.
the first 2-3 lewds with beth hes only along for the ride and they are initiated by beth & vennesa.
"His only reservations are with girls he considers daughters"??? he had reservations about Mei to,as he only wanted her to become more independent from her parents , he had his reservations about Beth because she's a married women
i won't deny this VN's story is more orientated around the step daughters corrupting the MC,as his (seemingly endless at times) internal monologue will display his "strong" moral compass.
So why do people call him wimp? because even after all the Strong morals internal monologue he just goes along with it when push comes to shove. When he NEEDS to make decisions he falters to adhere to his "strong morals" that are shown with his internal monologue & words he spoke like "no this isn't right" & "it can never happen".
and i'd say even those perceived moral's aren't that strong because they always happen right before or after the"damn she's hot" or some other sexual thought his step daughters.
plus arguments are almost always centred around "this is socially unacceptable","i could end up in jail" or "how bad others would look at it" probably from being indecisive again.
So, he is a wimp because he doesn't force a married lesbian to have sex with him (rape) and was reluctant to go along with a forced arranged marriage to a girl he has know since she was a child (grooming)?
Also, yes, he does eventually make decisions that go against his morals, because he is being corrupted. That is the whole point of a corruption game: To get a character to act against their morals.
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Jesus what is the instant full blown feminist response? a man disagrees with you? he must be a rapist and pedo?
no hes a wimp because he never truly has the lead in anything aside from irrelevant stuff.
Frank is wife in the relationships,he only controles the speed, not the direction.
sure his morality is being chipped away at but he never put a real stop to it even he is supposed to be the Adult,father figure
he has enough options + opportunities to do so,and yes this is part off the narrative.
as you clearly seem gloss over all the arguments regarding him making no "big" decisions ,he just goes along with what ever the girls have planned, be it Becca's family plan, Beth & Vennesa's swinging.Mei parents deciding he's the Husband and not a family friend helping her,he also doesn't instigate or start anything.
he only ever puts his foot down when Becca takes a go at Lilith telling her to be nice to her sister.(which is clearly a thing she mostly does to make her desired family hierarchy, but if becca is the one giving frank all the authority it also means she can take it away again,meaning she's the one really in controle)
all this to me seems he has little to no controle in his life,completely at the whims off a few adolescent girls whilst being indecisive about everything
and a middle aged man being controlled so heavily by these young girls is someone i'd consider a wimp.
your only argument for why frank isn't a wimp is "omg look at the chicks he has sex with"
please do provide a argument on how/why he is "NOT" a wimp.
(you could always give no argument and go the "agree to disagree" route and not really give a reason/foundation as to why you think Frank isn't a wimp)
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between the people who want to see abby get fucked by frank (seriously abby is probably the least interesting character in the game) and the people and their theory becca is frank's daughter we are served while nothing proves it currently and this update really......end of my subscription 2 months of waiting for that, then that abby ends up with lilly why not, but obviously the opinion of the abby fanatics are not of the same opinion as me and only dream of seeing frank fuck her
- Aug 22, 2018
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The married bisexual who offered it on a platter and was also given the green light by her wife.
I don't think you quite know how grooming works if you think just knowing someone since they were a child counts.
As for the other girls, it made sense to start with ...... but when he's still doing it after giving them more dick than a washed out crack whore it becomes less about the morals and more about him being an irritating pussy.
The game is decent but it has 2 glaring faults. Dragging out content for far too long and a huge chunk of Franks writing.
It should be amazing, it has all the right parts but the dev is holding his own game back by making his lead character someone that manages to annoy people playing him.
People keep complaining about that yet Abby has been with Lilith since, time wise, long before the game started. It just wasn't official. They have been fucking and doing the secret dating thing for years.
It's not like they are going to stop even with the official outing being removed.
It's ridiculous to have pushed the creator to this, but it actually changes nothing except that Lilly and Abby are already having sexual relations at the expense of a handful of malcontents.
If the game takes a turn in the story that I don't like at all, I'm not going to push the author to change certain scenes, I'll stop playing it and I'll stop my subscription if I have one and that's it
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Well, given this game has dragged on for 5 years and he's never shown any real control, then yeah, it's understandable people seeing him as a wimp, hell, 80% of his dialogue is inner monologue whining about how it's so wrong, yada yada, despite fucking several of the girls multiple times, lol.
If that isn't wimp/beta bitch behavior then I don't know what is.
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Meeting this error, in the store how do i fix it?
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Frank our MC is sad and broken on the inside! He lost the Love of his life, was taken advantage of in a rigged court case, raised a women who is the exact image of his Lost Love whom he sees as his wife in moments of uncertainty, He can never grieve for he has to be strong to raising said women. then after years of being mentally abused by "new wife" Frank sees the unthinkable betrayal. his world destroyed. first thought protect all "his girls". he is now broken battered sense of duty takes over. Frank has one mission Love his girls, he can't see the difference anymore as "his Girls" want something and it is him they want. try as he might but his duty is to protect and love his girls he will always give in to them its his job now. so Abby will win, Beca will lead the path Lily will feed his lust. Beth & Mi will give him his family back. so frank Is not In control in this Game he is but a Puppet to his daughters. we the player just alter the path a little. It is a game after all.
I agree with this, but I still have issues with how he's written. Whether Frank is being corrupted or healed in this game (or both), his thoughts and words constantly circling the same drain whenever he interacts with a given girl - even after acceptance has been given - and time enough passed for it to have settled - is irksome. It might not be unrealistic for a broken psyke with no confidence and a lot of trauma, but it makes for a poor script for a game. We need to see *some* character development, and his is slower than molasses, and usually backslides every time it seems like some has happened.
I'm getting an error any help. I see I'm not thee only one with this problem. Attaching the full traceback:
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