COMMONFACTORY

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Yeah, it was not a criticism of your point, that I found fair.

But, I was surprised by the ambiguity of the Google definition.
Meaning that you can be poor and wealthy at the same time.
As it is not only connected to material goods, even in the Google example.

btw google as a dictionary? really?
Yeah realy, Google has a sort of monopolistic grab on cultures.
So, it is more than a dictionary. I'm not claiming this is good either.
 
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Lautheron

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As it is not only connected to material goods, even in the Google example.
I don't think the dictionary article meant that, it just used poor wording which is open to interpratation. But even with that pleasure as a wealth was a big strech.

Only in a future (which i rather be dead in), we maybe extract our brain activity that store our response to pleasure and sell them in market. Then pleasure will be a form of wealth.
 
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ji280896

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Investment? Investors? where did you get the idea that the game will generate wealth for you?
you're not an investor you're a member of a website that provides subscription based access to content, as soon as your subscription expires your access is gone. you don't own equity you just pay for access. that's all
what the fuck are you talking about? you're investing in the product so the developer will continue to work on the product and make it better for you. If the guy you are paying money to for the development of a project takes your money and does not offer any form of communication that our money is going anywhere, you're going to get nervous aren't you? Just take half a second to think about it before you jump down someones throat. It was a pretty simple analogy.
 

Numbnutts

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what the fuck are you talking about? you're investing in the product so the developer will continue to work on the product and make it better for you. If the guy you are paying money to for the development of a project takes your money and does not offer any form of communication that our money is going anywhere, you're going to get nervous aren't you? Just take half a second to think about it before you jump down someones throat. It was a pretty simple analogy.
it's not an investment, it's more akin to a sponsorship maybe but in the end it's exactly what i wrote you buy access via subscription service. it's in the patreon tos.
any money spent is gone when you buy that access and the access is gone when you stop paying an investment grows what you invest it's the exact opposite. when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access (which is done by patreon) nothing more.
if you give money and they don't meet your expectations that sucks but it's a you problem. my advice would be the same i would give to a gambler, consider what the activity is worth it to you, spend that money and consider it lost+ from the start. it will cause you a lot less frustration and you get exactly what you paid for. if you find it's more worth you can consider paying more.
 

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any money spent is gone when you buy that access and the access is gone when you stop paying an investment grows what you invest it's the exact opposite. when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access (which is done by patreon) nothing more.
if you give money and they don't meet your expectations that sucks but it's a you problem.
If I were to ever scam people on patreon this would be my exact reply to my angry supporters.
 

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no you wouldn't, you would lie and sell dreams betting on self-delusion unless you plan on failing with the scam
No, I wouldn't lie. Why would I need to lie? Majority of patreon supporters do not care as long as I give them tiny bits of content every few months. I've learned this from watching a few big patreon backed game threads on this forum. Why would I bother telling lies when I can tell truth? It won't change a thing anyway.
 
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it's not an investment, it's more akin to a sponsorship maybe but in the end it's exactly what i wrote you buy access via subscription service. it's in the patreon tos.
any money spent is gone when you buy that access and the access is gone when you stop paying an investment grows what you invest it's the exact opposite. when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access (which is done by patreon) nothing more.
if you give money and they don't meet your expectations that sucks but it's a you problem. my advice would be the same i would give to a gambler, consider what the activity is worth it to you, spend that money and consider it lost+ from the start. it will cause you a lot less frustration and you get exactly what you paid for. if you find it's more worth you can consider paying more.


"an act of time, effort, or energy to a particular with the expectation of a result."

spend less time jerking off, more time reading things.
 

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"an act of time, effort, or energy to a particular with the expectation of a result."

spend less time jerking off, more time reading things.
ok then, let's look at the full entry (that you omitted) so everyone has a source and look at (i mean you didn't just use google as a dictionary for all definitions right?) (it's collins in case anyone has trouble reading the weak grey font in the top)
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now back to your choice of definition and let's deconstruct it with the context of the comment i responded to in mind
does patreon accept time? no
does patreon accept effort? no
does patreon accept energy? no
what do they accept? money
wait a minute...that's not part of your cherry picked definition! why? bc it's a definition for immaterial forms of investment! did you use a bad faith argument to counter me, along with a personal attack, bc you didn't like what i said? bc using a cherry picked definition knowing you're misrepresenting the context is exactly that. well that or you just didn't understand the definition. but since you're such an avid reader, your reading comprehension should be above question here, right? so intellectual dishonesty it is
using the 2nd definition would make a lot more sense btw, it's beyond me why you wouldn't use that one, as it's far more reasonable to argue and i even described it in the comment you responded to. it's still wrong in the context of op's original post, however(reasoning below).
op regarded it as a financial investment, in a business sense, their use of language shows it: " Can't expect investment when you make your investors nervous by not communicating. "
what happens when you make investors nervous? they pull out their investment. that phrasing indicates a financial investment like a shareholder which would be covered by definition nr. 1, even though it's ridiculus, which is why i pointed that out.
op in response doubled down
" Just take half a second to think about it before you jump down someones throat. It was a pretty simple analogy."
the analogy was still flawed and i responded to that even offering definition 2 through different wording bc op has a clear association of what an investment is, you missed that too (hint the term sponsorship as in buying a service that can be of use for you in the future and i even described it " when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access ")
it does, however, not fit in your choice of definition whatsoever

i hope that was clear enough now and ffs can we let it rest now
 
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ok then, let's look at the full entry (that you omitted) so everyone has a source and look at (i mean you didn't just use google as a dictionary for all definitions right?) (it's collins in case anyone has trouble reading the weak grey font in the top)
View attachment 3159743
now back to your choice of definition and let's deconstruct it with the context of the comment i responded to in mind
does patreon accept time? no
does patreon accept effort? no
does patreon accept energy? no
what do they accept? money
wait a minute...that's not part of your cherry picked definition! why? bc it's a definition for immaterial forms of investment! did you use a bad faith argument to counter me, along with a personal attack, bc you didn't like what i said? bc using a cherry picked definition knowing you're misrepresenting the context is exactly that. well that or you just didn't understand the definition. but since you're such an avid reader, your reading comprehension should be above question here, right? so intellectual dishonesty it is
using the 2nd definition would make a lot more sense btw, it's beyond me why you wouldn't use that one, as it's far more reasonable to argue and i even described it in the comment you responded to. it's still wrong in the context of op's original post, however(reasoning below).
op regarded it as a financial investment, in a business sense, their use of language shows it: " Can't expect investment when you make your investors nervous by not communicating. "
what happens when you make investors nervous? they pull out their investment. that phrasing indicates a financial investment like a shareholder which would be covered by definition nr. 1, even though it's ridiculus, which is why i pointed that out.
op in response doubled down
" Just take half a second to think about it before you jump down someones throat. It was a pretty simple analogy."
the analogy was still flawed and i responded to that even offering definition 2 through different wording bc op has a clear association of what an investment is, you missed that too (hint the term sponsorship as in buying a service that can be of use for you in the future and i even described it " when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access ")
it does, however, not fit in your choice of definition whatsoever

i hope that was clear enough now and ffs can we let it rest now
tell me you dont understand how definitions work, without telling me you dont understand how definitions work.
spend. less. time. jerking. off. and. more. time. reading.
 
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ok then, let's look at the full entry (that you omitted) so everyone has a source and look at (i mean you didn't just use google as a dictionary for all definitions right?) (it's collins in case anyone has trouble reading the weak grey font in the top)
View attachment 3159743
now back to your choice of definition and let's deconstruct it with the context of the comment i responded to in mind
does patreon accept time? no
does patreon accept effort? no
does patreon accept energy? no
what do they accept? money
wait a minute...that's not part of your cherry picked definition! why? bc it's a definition for immaterial forms of investment! did you use a bad faith argument to counter me, along with a personal attack, bc you didn't like what i said? bc using a cherry picked definition knowing you're misrepresenting the context is exactly that. well that or you just didn't understand the definition. but since you're such an avid reader, your reading comprehension should be above question here, right? so intellectual dishonesty it is
using the 2nd definition would make a lot more sense btw, it's beyond me why you wouldn't use that one, as it's far more reasonable to argue and i even described it in the comment you responded to. it's still wrong in the context of op's original post, however(reasoning below).
op regarded it as a financial investment, in a business sense, their use of language shows it: " Can't expect investment when you make your investors nervous by not communicating. "
what happens when you make investors nervous? they pull out their investment. that phrasing indicates a financial investment like a shareholder which would be covered by definition nr. 1, even though it's ridiculus, which is why i pointed that out.
op in response doubled down
" Just take half a second to think about it before you jump down someones throat. It was a pretty simple analogy."
the analogy was still flawed and i responded to that even offering definition 2 through different wording bc op has a clear association of what an investment is, you missed that too (hint the term sponsorship as in buying a service that can be of use for you in the future and i even described it " when you give money to someone on patreon you are financing their ability to work on art in the widest sense and their only obligation is to give you access ")
it does, however, not fit in your choice of definition whatsoever

i hope that was clear enough now and ffs can we let it rest now

your user name is utter *perfection* by the way. keep up the good work.
 

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tell me you dont understand how definitions work, without telling me you dont understand how definitions work.
spend. less. time. jerking. off. and. more. time. reading.
if all you got is that and ad hominem all the points between words don't mean much.
also projection much? if i'm jerking off so much how do i put in more time in my responses than you? and before you say reading you're on this porn forum too:KEK:

your user name is utter *perfection* by the way. keep up the good work.
nooo did you do a double post just for that?:KEK::KEK: must've really hit a nerve. btw if you spend so much time reading how do you still not know forum etiquette?:FacePalm:
edit.your.fucking.post
see i can put periods between my words too

but hey i get it, it must be painful to get a public spanking by someone called numbnutts but you know what hurts more? taking more than a day to come up with that sorry excuse of a response.
but you couldn't let it rest, do you? laid in bed ,seething, not being able to sleep?
i make a prediction:
you will not be able to just let it go, you will have to have the last word and respond bc it bothers you so much (you will deny that ofc but hey you will respond confirming what i said)
and to demonstrate my personal superiority i will not respond to anymore posts of yours
hence i will post my response to your next post here:

told you so:KEK:
 
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