VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Nemo56]

Tits are allowed, and nekkid posteriors. The nono is dicks an' cunts! Got it?

That. Breasts are "secondary genitals" and don't count for adult content. Mature? yes, but not adult.

In Vienna a woman recently successfully sued a public open air pool, that they can't force her to wear a top if men don't have to do the same thing. The regulations of that pool were then adjusted, only "primary genitals" have to be hidden.

 

[yossa999]

What is it you can't understand?
The whole composition, pictures and sound/music, are one.
It's not a question of being able to earn MORE money, but to EARN money by launching the game on Steam.
Ocean would be stupid not to launch on Steam and reach a much wider audience than is possible by Patreon, Itch etc.
Circumstances with music contracts have forced the production to be altered and also be fitted within the frames of Steam categories.
Numerous times have Ocean explained that he will ALTER scenes, not CUT AWAY.

Tits are allowed, and nekkid posteriors. The nono is dicks an' cunts! Got it?

Damn reaction limit
Slow down please, I'm taking notes. So the tits are allowed, but the peepees are not. Got it!
But wait, what about butts! Are they considered the same category as tits?
If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

 

[Mr_Mister]

so steam will get it's own version of the game or you'll censored it for your patreons too?

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

Damn reaction limit
Slow down please, I'm taking notes. So the tits are allowed, but the peepees are not. Got it!
But wait, what about butts! Are they considered the same category as tits?
If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

I presume there's a tendency to deny the fact that you need, at least, two kinds ( or same in some cases ) of reproductive organs to do the "big" naughty whether it's for procreation or just simply coitus. Same goes for a single- or maybe double handed flick of the wrist.
Me, being brought up not to be ashamed of my, well maybe not in my now elderly wrinkled state, body or body parts, am amazed at the view a self imposed moral "majority" is cramming down our throats.
All of us slid out of our mommy's so called privates and most of us had our fathers wiener planted deep in there about 9 months earlier. Most of us have sucked a nipple either as infants or later as adults.

I am used seeing people of both/all genders in the comfort of a sauna without being embarrassed or much aroused, it's what we do for recreation and well being.

You can't make babies with your tits or your ass.
But show a dick and/or a cunt and suddenly you're fucked straight into the Twilight zone.

 

[Nemo56]

But wait, what about butts!

Butts ... depends. Female ones are sexist, male ones are funny (in movies at least)

 

[Acsuka]

If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

And how much more exciting would it be if you had nipples on your butt?

 

[yossa999]

And how much more exciting would it be if you had nipples on your butt?

Let's pretend I never said this so I can erase that image out of my mind.

 

[Acsuka]

Let's pretend I never said this so I can erase that image out of my mind.

So you're also a highly visual type...

 

[Mortarion]

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I will steal this for totally not ulterior motives.

 

[sorco2003]

so steam will get it's own version of the game or you'll censored it for your patreons too?

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Patreons too

 

[Doomyk]

You might be interested in reading the author's words about the main character.
https://thef95zone.info/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-7801662

So yeah, while now the MC isn't the complete psycho he was in the original version of the game before the remake, and who some people in this thread miss so much, he's still a bit of a jerk. You can control and change his dark side to some extent, but you can't completely get rid of it. This is not a mistake or a bad writing, the character is well written and the author meant him to be exactly like this. Maybe because of these contradictions in his personality, this MC seems so interesting to many people in this thread.

Or you can be a cocky jerk that wonders why that big boobed girl in the wheelchair still likes you after a story of you snorting coke from Miss Hill's ass went live in order to fight your hangover and be able to play.

I...uh...was intrigued

 

[John972]

If to think about it, butts are the same as tits, only without nipples.

Ye Gads, then what are a pair of testicles with single pimples on the bottom?

 

[yossa999]

Ye Gads, then what are a pair of testicles with single pimples on the bottom?

A bogeyman for music rights owners?

 

[Ali ibn Hassan]

A bogeyman for music rights owners?

Yer fekkin priceless, mister.

 

[AlexFXR]

Well, that's all good, but it's only YOUR definition of porn. Care to try convincing whoever is threatening to pull Ocean's license? Because their definition is the only one that counts for the purpose of that license.

This is where you are wrong. This is not my definition, but a television standard.

 

[AlexFXR]

The problem is NOT Ocean, it is the mercurial wims of service providers who withdraw paid services with little notice - in this case music licensing - because of an aversion to adult content.

This has been an issue for over a year and has badly affected many AVN developers who treat music and sound as an integral part of their games.

The last several pages of this thread are filled with posts complaining about Ocean and what he has to do to comprise, despite user posts (and numerous development logs by Ocean) clearly explaining the situation. SHM.

You don't seem to understand me. I didn't say Ocean was the problem. The problem is that some erotic shots are deleted, others are left. This seems very strange to me. It must be all or nothing removed.

 

[BobTheDuck]

You don't seem to understand me. I didn't say Ocean was the problem. The problem is that some erotic shots are deleted, others are left. This seems very strange to me. It must be all or nothing removed.

Two considerations: Ocean wishes to leave as much of what he has worked on in the game as he can. He has plenty of material to work on going forward that I'm sure he just wants to be at the next stage already.

Secondly, most of these licensing companys have pretty obscure terms, and they're not always located in the same country as the person wanting to obtain licenses. How would you (as a one person business starting out) make sure that the terms obey international norms? Even if they do, if you recieve a cease and desist style notification that you know is a break of their terms, how will you even pay to take a foreign company to court over it? Where is the jurisdiction? It's usually in their place of business.

I'm pretty sure Ocean has been clenching his teeth over the wasted cinematics that he scored to music. Most people don't think of how involved it is to pace something so the video and audio reach all the appropriate crescendos. And after that, no satisfaction, just back to square one with no avenue for remediation.

So I imagine Ocean will carefully do the bare minimum of changes necessary to meet the requirements so to not have to keep dealing with the licensing people every time they breathe too heavily. Does it really matter what scenes get tamed down if it allows the game to move forward? It's not about rational definitions but rather about pragmatism.

Ocean also has to keep enough adult content that ensures there's no backlash when he includes lewds in season 2 - if it comes out of nowhere, some uptight people will leave nasty words lying around on steam etc.

 

[AlexFXR]

Two considerations: Ocean wishes to leave as much of what he has worked on in the game as he can. He has plenty of material to work on going forward that I'm sure he just wants to be at the next stage already.

Secondly, most of these licensing companys have pretty obscure terms, and they're not always located in the same country as the person wanting to obtain licenses. How would you (as a one person business starting out) make sure that the terms obey international norms? Even if they do, if you recieve a cease and desist style notification that you know is a break of their terms, how will you even pay to take a foreign company to court over it? Where is the jurisdiction? It's usually in their place of business.

These two options are not logical.
1 - well, this action makes no sense at all.
2 - But here you are very mistaken. If there is a prohibition, it is always clearly stated. There are 2 genres: erotica and porn. They may ban either porn or porn and erotica. But Ocean turns out that porn is prohibited, but no one has banned erotica. Why then does he remove some of the erotica and leave some behind?

 

[BobTheDuck]

These two options are not logical.
1 - well, this action makes no sense at all.
2 - But here you are very mistaken. If there is a prohibition, it is always clearly stated. There are 2 genres: erotica and porn. They may ban either porn or porn and erotica. But Ocean turns out that porn is prohibited, but no one has banned erotica. Why then does he remove some of the erotica and leave some behind?

These are not options or alternatives, these are bits of information that might help explain why not everything is being cut - Ocean is doing the bare minimum to meet the terms he has to.

The problem is that the prohibition was added while Ocean had a license - once his license expired, he couldn't relicense the music without cuts. Terms and conditions change all the time, and it usually takes effect on renewal.

Have you ever looked into music or sound effects licensing? It's pretty convoluted, especially since all these licnesing aggregator companies popped up. Consider that if the licensing company is located in Iran, it might have stricter terms than one based in the Netherlands. Then there are the terms of the content owner, who puts it up - they might have strict terms or the might have none. What often happens is new creators make it available for everything, and once they start finding out their music is used in porn, they get upset and change the terms. The companies that do this licensing are often of drifting between regulations by making up their own terms on the fly and having clauses that seem fair, but really allow them to reserve their rights in any situation.

So Ocean who bought into a subscription license, finds on renewal the terms are changed. Or the creators say he breached the terms, because they didn't realise anything ment porn. It's all out of Ocean's hands because the legal fees are higher than the price of licences.

So he's done the pragmatic thing and tamed down season 1 just to keep the ball rolling.

I don't see why this is so strange to understand. It could be anything. Sound effect companies have issues with making squeaky toys with their sound effects, creating sample libraries as derivative works are a nono etc. Sync licensing is brutal, but it's about the only way musicians make any money at all these days.

 

[Starrky]

Can we expect mods to patch in the old censored scenes because if so I won’t be complaining then.