VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[John972]

I didn't talk about rework. If he believes some things need to be redone, that is totally ok with me.

My point is, again, quality is way more than enough. But I could do with faster releases.

I certainly agree faster chapter releases would be nice. Having said that, there's been a trend for a year or more of many quality games taking several months to a year between updates. There was a time here on F95 when 2-3 months was considered normal.

I am hoping that the Steam Season 1 release and Season 2 Chapter 1 release will put all the rework debate to bed once and for all. Then it will come down to how long it will take Ocean to release new content - that we shall see...

 

[Ayhsel]

I certainly agree faster chapter releases would be nice. Having said that, there's been a trend for a year or more of many quality games taking several months to a year between updates. There was a time here on F95 when 2-3 months was considered normal.

I am hoping that the Steam Season 1 release and Season 2 Chapter 1 release will put all the rework debate to bed once and for all. Then it will come down to how long it will take Ocean to release new content - that we shall see...

We can only hope for that.

 

[yossa999]

I'm still out of reactions.

This. I'm not sure you understand what cost/benefit/compromise means in the context we've been discussing it.

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You know I agee with the most of your point actually despite just one thing...
I'm not sure his goal is to become an effecient developer in the sense you mean. I think he's quite happy with his pace, workflow, and work-life balance, and delivers what others can't. So if he completes this project, he'll do it his way. Maybe this is how games like SG are made, I don't know. I don't have a reference to compare to.
Too many “effecient” games have already been abandoned. Let's see what inefficiency brings.

 

[Maviarab]

I hope I'm wrong and I have to eat my own words because it's the most interesting game for me. But things have to go very well for Ocean to be able to have a performance four times higher. Right now Ocean releases half a chapter a year out of 30. And he should have at least 2 chapters a year so it doesn't take forever.
I'm not saying what he has to do, but he has to do something to bring this to an end.
And it gives the feeling that he's stuck, because if you compare it with other worthwhile games of this style, like BADIK, Chasing Sunsets, The unbroken, LOF...
All of them give the feeling that they are advancing or are already finished, and this game, which is the most ambitious of them all because of its size, is the one that is advancing the slowest by far.

I was taking your comment seriously until you mentioned 3 of the 4 games you did.

But yes he does need to do something differently. No reason right now why he won't, again, as you obviously glossed over what I actually said in your impudence to try and correct me. Music sorted, Steam changes sorted, reworks now sorted....

Everything that has been holding up things...have now been resolved (to our knowledge).

 

[yossa999]

I would rather have any improvement in development process to be on speed.

No objection from me on this as long as it's the same SG I like.

 

[John972]

Right now Ocean releases half a chapter a year out of 30.

OK, don't quote me on this (since I'm currently too lazy to go back to find all of Ocean's original comments), but the 'half chapters' are actually full chapters of new content. If I recall correctly, the use of halves had to do with the rework.

So far, this game has had the following (out of a supposed 30 chapters):

1. Ch 1
2. Ch 2
3. Ch 3
4. Ch 3.5
5. Ch 4
6. Ch 4.5
7. Ch 5

So, if Ocean was to release two half chapters per year (and I'm not sure he needs to continue with that numbering schema now the rework cycle is near complete), that's equivalent to two chapters out of 30-odd.

Besides, there's many a slip between a cup and a lip. 30 chapters is/was a mapped-out, long term proposal. Who's to say one or more proposed chapters don't get amalgamated into one when the time comes...

 

[Penfold Mole]

Ocean's biggest problem is the fact that he is working on two games instead of one. He explained why he is doing it and I totally get it, but it still feels like it's a mistake on his part. Instead of having one happy fanbase he has two unhappy ones.

Also, all the talk about being a perfectionist is way overblown in my opinion. If you take into consideration the quality and combine the number of renders and animations he makes for both games he is actually one of the most prolific ones on this site. It just doesn't feel like it.

Don't kid yourself.

Working just on one game and dropping the other would create one "unhappy fanbase" and one extremely pissed fanbase. Pitchforks, tar and feather pissed.

And even if he never had the other game and fanbase in the first place, so he wouldn't have to abandon one of the games to have a single game to develop, he'd still have one game with one "unhappy fanbase"

You've been a member of F95 long enough to know that what we have right now is one of the happiest kind of fanbase around here, compared to any other game thread, that there is no such thing as a perfectly happy fanbase around here, anywhere, and no realistic way to please any F95 fanbase to make them all happy with the game and its development.

 

[Mortarion]

This is Ocean's style, 90% chatter without meaning and only 10% useful information.

When Regium made the game, everything was the other way around.

Sorry, but no sorry. What are you talking is just...

... well ...

... bullshit

 

[Ilhares]

If he gets that many holes (180) he will die of STD's

I realize anecdotes do not equal data, but of a comparable number, the worst I had is a case of crabs when I was 19. Selective whoring works just fine, if you're not banging diseased people.

 

[dan_roger69]

I realize anecdotes do not equal data, but of a comparable number, the worst I had is a case of crabs when I was 19. Selective whoring works just fine, if you're not banging diseased people.

I agree. I was just kidding

 

[AKAsrk]

It takes a masochist to recognize a masochist. Nowadays I just silently put "no sex" complainers on ignore without a further ado, but you have piqued my curiosity. Fancy to tell, what motivates you guys? I mean, from the widest variety of porn games on this site, with the range of kinks and fetishes for every taste, you always end up choosing this one, where the plot comes first, and then you complain about it. Where the "groping" and "teasing" tags are the pinnacle of lewdness. Where Developer Note on the OP says: "This isn't a porn game! This is a story-focused game with adult elements. If you just want to fap, this is certainly the wrong game for you." Where the description is some kind of vague bullshit about a young spirit.

Rating has been lowered enough for this game by one-star angry reviews lately, now it's not even at the first page of the most rated games here. Why are you skipping this, and shitload of other really good games which are packed with sex scenes only to come here asap and complain that people play this game for the sake of the story?

How it works for you, are you a masochist or what?

Like i said im a clown, Didnt read the BIG WARNING on the page and only found out when i opened the game on the first screen and it gave the warning that there was no sex, didnt actually play the game at all, i wasnt putting anyone down but myself for being a dumbass

 

[AKAsrk]

I was nearly going to suggest you look at the game tags listed under every game thread title as a guide to what content a game does or does not have, given you've only made three posts and must be new and all.

Then I saw your account was created in 2018, despite your extremely low engagement with this site (three posts in the last five years, with all three made in the last 24 hours). Are you a burner account?

Anyway, you appear to have been using this site long enough to know EXACTLY what game tags are and how they work. Therefore, who's the masochist?

no, i just dont interact usually, im hear to beat my meat and thats it, not to be a part of a community, and as i said to a previous guy i wasnt putting anyone down but myself for not reading the warnings, i would of thought that was evident by describing myself as a clown but i guess not

 

[Old Man Al]

no, i just dont interact usually, im hear to beat my meat and thats it, not to be a part of a community, and as i said to a previous guy i wasnt putting anyone down but myself for not reading the warnings, i would of thought that was evident by describing myself as a clown but i guess not

That sounds kind of sad, like you hatefuck yourself.

 

[AlexFXR]

Ocean is an excellent artist, but is probably the most inefficient dev I've ever seen. He claims there are 30 chapters, he's nearing the finish of the fifth. At the moment he's doing about two half chapters a year. He's going to need to improve efficiency enormously if he's going to achieve that in under a decade...

I agree with you on almost everything except Ocean's effectiveness. There will be 32 chapters in SG, 5 of which are already ready. (32-5=27) There are 27 chapters left to do. Now his chapter release rate is half a chapter per year or a chapter every 2 years. (27*2=54) As a result, it turns out that at the current rate, the SG will be completed in 54 years. I wonder if Ocean or his fans will live to see the release of SG? In any case, Ocean will not be able to make 2 games at the same time. Either he will throw all his strength into one game and after 27 years he will probably achieve success, or there will be 2 failures.

 

[Kakasan]

I agree with you on almost everything except Ocean's effectiveness. There will be 32 chapters in SG, 5 of which are already ready. (32-5=27) There are 27 chapters left to do. Now his chapter release rate is half a chapter per year or a chapter every 2 years. (27*2=54) As a result, it turns out that at the current rate, the SG will be completed in 54 years. I wonder if Ocean or his fans will live to see the release of SG? In any case, Ocean will not be able to make 2 games at the same time. Either he will throw all his strength into one game and after 27 years he will probably achieve success, or there will be 2 failures.

I will only give my opinion, after a few months of the game's release on Steam.

 

[Garvelt]

And even if he never had the other game and fanbase in the first place, so he wouldn't have to abandon one of the games to have a single game to develop, he'd still have one game with one "unhappy fanbase"

You've been a member of F95 long enough to know that what we have right now is one of the happiest kind of fanbase around here, compared to any other game thread, that there is no such thing as a perfectly happy fanbase around here, anywhere, and no realistic way to please any F95 fanbase to make them all happy with the game and its development.

Yes, I've been a member long enough to know that slow update cycles are the main reason people complain so much and that's true for SG, WIAB and most games on here. Don't you think more frequent updates would make fans happier, because I'm sure as hell they would.

Dropping either SG or WIAB is most likely not an option at this point, but to say focusing on one game instead of two would not make a difference is a bit delusional in my opinion.

 

[girlfairdev]

Yes, I've been a member long enough to know that slow update cycles are the main reason people complain so much

And as long as people support the practice of 'buying' these games piecemeal through 'patron' site paywalls you'll just have to accept that this is something that will never change.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

And as long as people support the practice of 'buying' these games piecemeal through 'patron' site paywalls you'll just have to accept that this is something that will never change.

Patreon and SubscribeStar provide a way for potential supporters to help fund the development of AVNs and other projects that would be unlikely to see the light of day without that support (or at least be created at the level of fidelity that support allows).

There are very few 'hobbyists' with sufficient money, time and expertise to create great AVNs with rapid update cycles including significant content with every update cycle.

I can't actually name one, let alone dozens, who treats AVN creation the way I describe above and produce at the quality level of Ocean, including renders, animations and music SOMEONE has to pay for.

Ocean treats this like it is his job and Patreon/SS provide the means for supporters who believe in his vision to provide, in aggregate, enough $ so he can continue to create as a full-time endeavor.

For those who object to the Patreon/SS system - why not show their disdain for it and only go post on threads where the creator is not using either Patreon or SubscribeStar to help support their creative works?

That would be one way to show those cretins - I mean - supporters of Patreon and SubscribeStar, right?

Cheers!!

 

[yossa999]

Like i said im a clown, Didnt read the BIG WARNING on the page and only found out when i opened the game on the first screen and it gave the warning that there was no sex, didnt actually play the game at all, i wasnt putting anyone down but myself for being a dumbass

Well, I hope the story-based game without sex didn't hurt you too much and you get recover soon.
As for me it's a lost cause, I can't play a typical pickletickler AVN anymore. I need a plot so I don't die of boredom.

 

[John972]

no, i just dont interact usually, im hear to beat my meat and thats it, not to be a part of a community, and as i said to a previous guy i wasnt putting anyone down but myself for not reading the warnings, i would of thought that was evident by describing myself as a clown but i guess not

Fair enough...

I do have one nagging question, though... when you say you're here to "beat your meat" : do you mean after downloading and playing AVNs OR while you peruse various F95 game threads? ...'just askin' ...for science

Anyway, bad luck for picking a game with no hardcore sex...