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So you have an edgy teen who thinks shooting a person during a car accident helps. Is that supposed to give you a 'college feel'? And I actually thought this scene in the beginning of the game hinted a darker theme to the entire game. But the game didn't follow through this initial introduction. If the game went on a different path, my impression could have been different.



"She was not being bullied, she was being looked down" Mila was literally insulted by rich students for being poor. If you don't think that's bullying then you need to read its definition. Furthermore, due to the definition of bullying, a person who is bullied is also looked down upon by those who bullied that person. Those two aren't mutually exclusive. You can explain all you want the background of a character and the woes of that character, but it doesn't change the fact that this is literally a very common trope in a lot of high school drama. Hence this scenario supporting that "high school feel". Reminder that what I'm arguing is that this game is more suited in a high school setting. You can talk all you want about the socio-economic troubles that plague modern society but the fact of the matter is that this game has a more appropriate setting given its narrative.



I'm pretty sure everyone knows who I'm referring to when I described her character. I feel like you don't understand what I am writing. It was a description of her, not a hint of being elusive that people have to guess who I'm referring to. Using a hyphen to connect two or more words is used to form an adjective before a noun. Often, it is used to have a succinct description. Sometimes, people exaggerate its use to form a sarcastic or playful tone in a sentence. For example, I could use a hyphen to have a 'man-eating dog'. On the other hand, I could also use the hyphen to form 'corporate-bought-but-pretends-to-serve-the-people kind of politician'. What do you think is the tone that I am trying to portray in the latter example? So you stating obvious and saying 'Mister Obvious' while failing to understand what I'm obviously referring is incredibly ironic.
"A mean person is cruel and likely want others to fail miserably" Again, another word that you seem to misunderstand. Your description of mean is so specific and severe when in fact 'mean' is a broad term and can be used in a lot of situations. For example when I say "Don't be mean to your sister", do you think you being 'mean' here means that you are so cruel and want your sister to fail miserably in some way? No, in that context you're probably just teasing your sister and I want you to stop. Ever heard of the phrase 'mean girls'? What do you think it means?
Bella is one of those rich girls who is mean and rude to people but is actually vulnerable and good 'deep inside' if you get to know them well enough. This is a very common character trope in teen shows with a high school setting. Even other characters in the game commented on how mean she is to them, who then advised the MC to steer clear from her. Also you writing about her as if she is a deep and unique character and asking me to 'empathize' with her when this type of character is incredibly common is hilarious. People here is already familiar with this. There are a lot of shows, books, games that have this. I think you're the only one who finds this deeper than it actually is. Again as a reminder, what I'm arguing is that this game is more reminiscent to a high school setting. You can talk about how deep you think a character is but it doesn't change what I'm saying this ENTIRE time. In fact, your arguments thus far have no relation to what I'm arguing about.



Yep you just stated the many ways hot girls flocked to him. This might come as a surprise to you but being an edgy, rude person makes a lot of people, including girls want to avoid you or have a poor opinion of you even with the circumstances you stated. And again if you actually understood what I've written, I stated that I UNDERSTAND this scenario and am fine with it because I know that this is a porn game. The point that I was trying to make is that this character, not the situation how the hot girls flocked to him, is more noticeable in high school or teen drama that is WHY I said that this game has a 'high school feel'. You just keep blabbering on things that are irrelevant to what I have written. You need to improve your reading comprehension.



You really don't understand what I was writing. When I critiqued the character of Bella, it was in congruent of my argument that this game is better suited in a high school setting. You, on the other hand, kept on blabbering on how I should 'empathize' with her. You assumed that I don't understand her feelings, motivations, whatever when you missed my point ENTIRELY. EVERYONE HERE understands what she is. What you're not understanding is that her character is another example of my point of how this game has a more appropriate setting. But, oh, you just keep yapping on how deep and lovely this character is, and how I just don't understand this, oh so lovely, girl, and how I'm cold and uncaring I am to this, oh so wonderful, person.



"After a traumatic experience, a young spirit tries to find its way back into life. College is about to start and mysteries are about to unfold." Having a trauma as one of the backgrounds of a character doesn't mean they won't experience college events like everyone else. This is just the main character's background. It doesn't mean that the setting is suddenly going to be all gloomy and sad. It only means that this would affect how that character would interact in the setting or environment. There are a lot of shows/books that have 'damaged' main characters who then face a new a chapter in their lives, and experience new things. Want an example to one of these shows/books? Perks of being a Wallflower. The MC in that book had a traumatic experience and is going through college for the first time. The setting in the show (college) shows what you would expect in such a setting, with the college parties, college classes, and all that. What changes is how the MC interacted with other characters, and how he navigated his college life WITH the trauma he experienced. The background of a character doesn't define the setting of the work.

"So in what universe a traumatized 19 year old would go to the college and then be like LET'S PARTAY BABIEEEE !!!... PULL MY PANTS DOWN NOW !!! and at the end of the day, he'd sit around a bonfire with his classmates and sing kumbaya with wrong fucking lyrics."
Just because you're showing the party culture you would expect in a college setting doesn't mean it's all going to be rock and roll and fuck all hoes. The parties could be used as a setting in a narrative, to introduce characters and conflicts or further existing ones. I feel like you haven't been in a college party before.

Oh, and we literally have a basketball arc so your argument is completely irrelevant. We do, in fact, have lively and energetic narratives. So yes, the party culture you tend to see in college should be expected in this setting. I love how you think you are so right when you missed my point entirely.



What? Do you even understand what I wrote? How is this disjointed to what I was saying? How is this not congruent to my point of this game having more of a 'high school feel' than a 'college feel'?

Read what I wrote again, and again, and again, and again until you understand what I'm asking here.



Okay. Don't take this the wrong way. I assume your first language isn't English because there are a lot of sentences and contexts that you are not understanding well. So I'm not going to be very critical on you if this is the case. If it's not, then you probably very young and haven't seen a lot of shows or read a lot of books to be familiar with tropes that are associated in different genres. You probably haven't experienced a lot of things either, given how you passionately described a common character.
A young spirit tries to find it's way back to life and not to being lost again. This story is gonna include a lot a dark themes like this but eventually he will find that light no matter what. This story is about healing NOT hiding the wound and pretend it's not there and I know that this Victoria incident gave you a wrong impression of what was about to unfold and that's your fault for having not a clue, I guess most people here didn't. You can't digest the fact that this emo boy shot a blank at someone's leg but thinking that would've been okay if the he had been a high school boy is just bogus.

So you literally meant MC was a one disgusting edgy motherfucker no one will like...huh ?...MC keeps to himself most of the times, he is not going around picking up meaningless fights and bad mouthing people which in turn will absolutely make him unlikable but that's not the case. He is one calm unpredictable fella and more perceptive for his age...he is not even edgy, he just wants to keep to himself unless something interests him. Being an introverted child and having a traumatic past doesn't necessarily make him whatever you described him to be.,,,HE IS ALWAYS CALM !...I mean, when he wasn't ?

About Bella, she is not your regular bitchy blonde who had her life easy and have all of her screw-ups taken no notice of by her parents and other adults. MC had a traumatic experience and so did Bella.

Her hiding under a blanket is not just about the kiss, she was kissed by someone whom she thought would never share her feelings with. She had just found out that she trusted him more than she ever let on and that shook her to the core 'cause that never happens, it took 2 years for Bella to open up to Nadia. She doesn't comfortably trust people because whatever happened to her or her sister in the past definitely did a number on her. What we know for sure is that was traumatic and that's it. And you describing this as another high school drama queen is groundless.

I did get your argument. You somehow think this game is more appropriate in a high school setting. It's just that the way you describe the characters is totally out of place and in addition to that claiming the high school setting is the appropriate one is just seems not sincere and unjustified at the same time mate.

Let's get to the bullying part, WHAT THE HELL ?...That was no bullying, they were insulting Mila and her mother. Given their low social position this kind of disrepute shown by those upper class cunts are common for her so she simply ignores them and tells MC to do the same. NO !...YOU LOOK UP THE DEFINITON OF BULLYING !

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NOT JUST THE DEFINITION MISTER ! do a little more digging.
 

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A young spirit tries to find it's way back to life and not to being lost again. This story is gonna include a lot a dark themes like this but eventually he will find that light no matter what. This story is about healing NOT hiding the wound and pretend it's not there and I know that this Victoria incident gave you a wrong impression of what was about to unfold and that's your fault for having not a clue, I guess most people here didn't. You can't digest the fact that this emo boy shot a blank at someone's leg but thinking that would've been okay if the he had been a high school boy is just bogus.

So you literally meant MC was a one disgusting edgy motherfucker no one will like...huh ?...MC keeps to himself most of the times, he is not going around picking up meaningless fights and bad mouthing people which in turn will absolutely make him unlikable but that's not the case. He is one calm unpredictable fella and more perceptive for his age...he is not even edgy, he just wants to keep to himself unless something interests him. Being an introverted child and having a traumatic past doesn't necessarily make him whatever you described him to be.,,,HE IS ALWAYS CALM !...I mean, when he wasn't ?

About Bella, she is not your regular bitchy blonde who had her life easy and have all of her screw-ups taken no notice of by her parents and other adults. MC had a traumatic experience and so did Bella.

Her hiding under a blanket is not just about the kiss, she was kissed by someone whom she thought would never share her feelings with. She had just found out that she trusted him more than she ever let on and that shook her to the core 'cause that never happens, it took 2 years for Bella to open up to Nadia. She doesn't comfortably trust people because whatever happened to her or her sister in the past definitely did a number on her. What we know for sure is that was traumatic and that's it. And you describing this as another high school drama queen is groundless.

I did get your argument. You somehow think this game is more appropriate in a high school setting. It's just that the way you describe the characters is totally out of place and in addition to that claiming the high school setting is the appropriate one is just seems not sincere and unjustified at the same time mate.

Let's get to the bullying part, WHAT THE HELL ?...That was no bullying, they were insulting Mila and her mother. Given their low social position this kind of disrepute shown by those upper class cunts are common for her so she simply ignores them and tells MC to do the same. NO !...YOU LOOK UP THE DEFINITON OF BULLYING !

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NOT JUST THE DEFINITION MISTER ! do a little more digging.
go into DM`s and/or find a room! you are both too verbose so either syntethise or go back to kiddie insults so we can fallow the conversation!

make a tl;dr synopsis in the end at least

i just am!
no kink shaming!
besides i would totally also play the neutral true me path and a light path but i was exampling on what a dark path options could be!
 
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A young spirit tries to find it's way back to life and not to being lost again. This story is gonna include a lot a dark themes like this but eventually he will find that light no matter what. This story is about healing NOT hiding the wound and pretend it's not there and I know that this Victoria incident gave you a wrong impression of what was about to unfold and that's your fault for having not a clue, I guess most people here didn't. You can't digest the fact that this emo boy shot a blank at someone's leg but thinking that would've been okay if the he had been a high school boy is just bogus.

So you literally meant MC was a one disgusting edgy motherfucker no one will like...huh ?...MC keeps to himself most of the times, he is not going around picking up meaningless fights and bad mouthing people which in turn will absolutely make him unlikable but that's not the case. He is one calm unpredictable fella and more perceptive for his age...he is not even edgy, he just wants to keep to himself unless something interests him. Being an introverted child and having a traumatic past doesn't necessarily make him whatever you described him to be.,,,HE IS ALWAYS CALM !...I mean, when he wasn't ?

About Bella, she is not your regular bitchy blonde who had her life easy and have all of her screw-ups taken no notice of by her parents and other adults. MC had a traumatic experience and so did Bella.

Her hiding under a blanket is not just about the kiss, she was kissed by someone whom she thought would never share her feelings with. She had just found out that she trusted him more than she ever let on and that shook her to the core 'cause that never happens, it took 2 years for Bella to open up to Nadia. She doesn't comfortably trust people because whatever happened to her or her sister in the past definitely did a number on her. What we know for sure is that was traumatic and that's it. And you describing this as another high school drama queen is groundless.

I did get your argument. You somehow think this game is more appropriate in a high school setting. It's just that the way you describe the characters is totally out of place and in addition to that claiming the high school setting is the appropriate one is just seems not sincere and unjustified at the same time mate.

Let's get to the bullying part, WHAT THE HELL ?...That was no bullying, they were insulting Mila and her mother. Given their low social position this kind of disrepute shown by those upper class cunts are common for her so she simply ignores them and tells MC to do the same. NO !...YOU LOOK UP THE DEFINITON OF BULLYING !

...

NOT JUST THE DEFINITION MISTER ! do a little more digging.
brother remember what I said

if the conversation is turning into an argument walk away

and don't let it spread to the entire forum

start a conversation with someone else

think of it as a forest fire just agree to disagree and end it
 
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go into DM`s and/or find a room! you are both too verbose so either syntethise or go back to kiddie insults so we can fallow the conversation!

make a tl;dr synopsis in the end at least

i just am!
no kink shaming!
besides i would totally also play the neutral true me path and a light path but i was exampling on what a dark path options could be!
which reminds me Warscared
you got something against my boy you keep looking at him

and then looking at me and then looking at him and then looking at me and then looking all disappointed in me
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Note to self , don't let warscared end up becoming a AVN game writer , he will probably come up with scenarios where the MC gets pegged in the ass by a ogre with a strap on
now that's what I like to hear thank you bro for getting the forum back on track;)
why are you all looking at me:oops:

no wait when I said that's what I like to hear I meant I wasn't talking about the MC gets pegged in the ass by a ogre with a strap on

:eek:
 

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I'm aware that college students aren't the most mature people. I'm not even the most mature person myself. That's why I specifically placed "juvenile" there. And no, the immaturity of high schoolers is on another level compared to college students.
The reason I stated that this game has a highschool "feel" is because its narrative and characters. The game's threads are so similar to those highschool drama that you can see even in teen shows, with the petty conflicts and superficiality. You have bullies bullying a poor person for being poor and now have to enact retribution against the bullies and save the bullied. I'm not saying that bullying never happens in college but you don't see this kind of bullying in college, only in highschool. You also have the rich-mean-haughty-girl-but-is-actually-good-inside-if-you-get-to-know-them character that is common in that setting. Even the main character is that edgy "sigma" male that is so unlikeable and rude to other people but somehow all hot chicks flock to him. I get that this is a porn game so the MC is going to have multiple love interests in one way or another, but that doesn't justify how that character is more appropriate in another setting. Then the rich girl's reaction after kissing the MC is also out of place. I understand that you didn't expect to have a fling with someone you initially disliked, but to miss school and stay in bed, obsessing over it? That's more of a teen having their first kiss in middle school. I expected more of the party culture that is so common in college to be part of this game given its genre, or even the crazy shenanigans you do but get away with. Tell me this honestly. If this game omits mentioning its school setting and you show this game to someone - what is more likely going to be their guess: that this is a college drama/setting or a highschool drama/setting? I'm not totally dismissing the game but story is really more suited in a different setting.
Respectfully, there are so many things wrong here that I don't quite know where to start. I was not aware that all high schoolers had a set maturity level. I was not aware that all college students were supposed to behave a certain way. I'm sorry, but people are more complex than that. Maturity is not determined by your degree of education.

Moving on, Ocean has indeed filled out most archetypal character slots when it comes to high school dramas. However, aside from that, the story shares few similarities with that genre. In case you haven't noticed, the main plot involves MC overcoming his traumas from Summer's disappearance, unlike most plots used by stories in this genre. Mila has a history with those guys, hence the bullying. Bella has traumas that she has to overcome, hence her reaction to her and MC's kiss. But if you seriously did not understand why Bella reacted that way to their kiss, then you probably didn't pay much attention to her character at all. The entire AVN is centered around a guy with issues working to overcome them. He's not going to be all rainbows and sunshine. All of your critiques, so far, seem quite superficial.

P.S: It's a bit annoying that the mods deleted my first response(causing me to write a whole new comment), as that was much clearer. English is quite a confusing language at times...
 
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Note to self , don't let warscared end up becoming a AVN game writer , he will probably come up with scenarios where the MC gets pegged in the ass by a ogre with a strap on
now that's what I like to hear thank you bro for getting the forum back on track;)
why are you all looking at me:oops:

no wait when I said that's what I like to hear I meant I wasn't talking about the MC gets pegged in the ass by a ogre with a strap on

:eek:
Of course in Warscared's case - it might be Sascha :oops: :LOL::LOL:
 

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hope you will :ROFLMAO:

and yeah - he played BEFORE

at the beginning you can make some light "dark" decisions , this possibilty completely vanish at later chapters

(along with free will it seems)
for example :
my mc would tell this overprotective therapist to fuck off with her bullshit :rolleyes:
he would tell those gamefreaks to ..well..play alone ;)
why should he care about a girl who´s mother is a "streetworker" and steals her money :ROFLMAO:
and for your beloved bella - why should he care about her at all ?
because she got hurt back in time? - not his problem isnt it?
victoria - just because he "saved" her , he has no contract over her life with her
it´s not a "i saved you , so im responsible for you " case



this would be "dark stuff"
the mc has its own problems - why should he do all this ?

and i know there will be comments incoming including the beloved facepalms - let em come ;)
It's called progression. The MC still gets negative choices. As for the consequences of those choices? Who knows? I'm no genius, but seeing as this game is centered around the MC dealing with his issues, I'd assume that certain choices you make can either help you rise out of the darkness, or allow yourself to fall deeper into it. I don't think every single choice will be like this, but the ones that are will probably matter. Regardless, it's not like the MC is going to stay a certain way the entire story. He changes regardless of what the player wants. We decide whether or not it's for the better or worse. And I'd assume dark things would come with the latter.
 

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Note to self , don't let warscared end up becoming a AVN game writer , he will probably come up with scenarios where the MC gets pegged in the ass by a ogre with a strap on
no kink shaming! i mean my MC would never do something like that but if i was writting yes that option would be available for whoever wanted it!

but if i was ever to write a VN i would have a set scene and a breaking down button for every chapter and whenever the story got too intense you clicked that button and depending on the personality your MC developed until then he would break down crying like a little bitch or start a fight and end up in Jail until the next chapter!

or even... the MC would go on the look out for a suicide by cop scenario...

any game i would ever write would probably be far more into violence then sex but there would be gay stuff NTR and even an Incel Path all optional, just because most of that shit is not my thing it does not mean it should not exist and it should be at the players discretion on what they want or not! probably the only thing it would not have unless the story made sense like that would be incest, but even if the story made sense like that it would be a tricky path to get onto (at least consensualy...)

yes i understand some kiddies who whine also play this games but hey its an adult game so behave like an adult!

but i can not write a vn i have no discipline to ground a story properly scenes and complex scenarios sure, but an entire avn ... probably too complex to get it right, not to mention star wars episode 1 the phantom menace... i would loose myself in the world building and politics!

not to mention i am good with languages leadership psychology numbers sociology geography history and a few other disciplines... what i am not good at? drawing rendering computers so a vn by me considering the amount of out sourcing needed would never be economically viable... read above i am good with numbers!

which reminds me Warscared
you got something against my boy you keep looking at him

and then looking at me and then looking at him and then looking at me and then looking all disappointed in me
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i can´t even...

dude you are breaking my heart right now!
 
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"" as this game is centered around the MC dealing with his issues, ""
The MC along with almost every main character has issues they have to overcome. It's kind of a central theme here... overcoming your demons if you will. MC has his demons because... well... Summer's Gone. Bella has hers because she'd witnessed something terrible involving her sister, Nami faces neglect and(for some players) unrequited love, so on and so forth. Please correct me if I'm wrong
 
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The MC along with almost every main character has issues they have to overcome. It's kind of a central theme here... overcoming your demons if you will. MC has his demons because... well... Summer's Gone. Bella has hers because she'd witnessed something terrible involving her sister, Nami faces neglect and for some, unrequited love, so on and so forth. Please correct me if I'm wrong
read your post and think what all of this are the mc´s issues ..
i quote again from your post above and my answer :
you : "" as this game is centered around the MC dealing with his issues, ""

me : "" thats the point - it isn´t ""

the mc deal with everyone stuff but not his (so far) - and his issue is missing summer

but enough about this - we can go back and forth with this
and if you now point to the therapist - this lady has (imo) way other motives about and with the mc
 

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read your post and think what all of this are the mc´s issues ..
i quote again from your post above and my answer :
you : "" as this game is centered around the MC dealing with his issues, ""

me : "" thats the point - it isn´t ""

the mc deal with everyone stuff but not his (so far) - and his issue is missing summer

but enough about this - we can go back and forth with this
and if you now point to the therapist - this lady has (imo) way other motives about and with the mc
I... can't really tell if you're serious or not. The MC has taken small steps to deal with his issues since the beginning of this story. Ocean cannot just have the MC fix his issues, because then that eliminates the current driving force behind the main plot. Furthermore, it's not something that can be done in one update. We're talking about overcoming trauma that set off a butterfly effect causing years worth of issues for the Main Character. A complex issue that requires an even more complicated method of fixing. Maybe it's my understanding of English... but you're not making that much sense. None of your posts were making that much sense honestly. Again, it may be my understanding of English that's limiting me, but unless you'd(generally speaking) blatantly ignored major parts of the AVN, it's hard to understand where you're coming from. Amber hasn't really been shown enough to suggest she'd have any ulterior motives outside of nurturing Bella and MC's relationship. So I'm not sure where you were going with that either...
 
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I... can't really tell if you're serious or not. The MC has taken small steps to deal with his issues since the beginning of this story.

. Amber hasn't really been shown enough to suggest she'd have any ulterior motives outside of nurturing Bella and MC's relationship. So I'm not sure where you were going with that either...
yeah - and after this it is all about the girls issues

bingo - not really professionell -not dealing with the issue the mc has , but bella´s ,using the mc for (like marla does too)

and ik that it not makes sense to some people ,who want the "happy" and "helping" mc
as you maybe had read - i talked about the dark path and that my mc couldnt care less about the
issues of bella , mila , vic and who not all :ROFLMAO:

but really - enough for (for now) about this - this leads to nothing
 
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Since I've redone a full playthrough a few days ago, here are some theories recently came up with. Not sure if anybody pointed out something similar before...

1) MC's captivity happens on a Friday. Where Nadia tells Sonya that, after the gym, they would go out to play the tabletop game. Since the MC is supposed to take part in it, somebody has to come back and free him, right? My best guess would be Nadia, coming back and saying something like "It was Zara's idea", or something of the sort. Maybe even Robin, who has been acting nicely towards the MC and just wanted to free herself from owing anything to Nadia..?

Anyways, Zara needs to be fucked in the ass. Moving on...

2) Nia asks Nami about the MC and Summer towards the end of the bathroom scene, after working out at the gym (which exactly, we don't know). After the game, having made a deal with her, she invites the MC to come to her place on Sunday. She may be oblivious about MC's boner issues (or not, maybe Nami told her?), but she sure thinks that he's packing quite the cannon. Could she have asked Nami about Summer's perfume or something? Like an infallible plan to make him get a hard on?

All I know is that I can't wait for the next update, that's for sure...
 
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brother remember what I said

if the conversation is turning into an argument walk away

and don't let it spread to the entire forum

start a conversation with someone else

think of it as a forest fire just agree to disagree and end it
WHAAAT ?...

Brother I was done and that was it, I ended it. I wouldn't let ignorance spread all around the forum brother. You know me, not that well it seems. I just couldn't let him stick to his image of Bella. Anyway the dispute was looking pointless and those ill-founded critiques made my eye sore, so I moved on...AGES AGO.
 
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