G27111

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So ****ing cringe seeing all these people defending this game here like a cult. You have a right to like it, just like other people have a right to criticize. Problem with Oceanlab is that he's a dreamer, that is good for creativity, but there is a business side of it. If he's in it to just make a romance non adult game, he can. He can release it on steam and sell it for money. Ultimately this is a porn game because it's here and it's labelled as such.

You want to venture out to achieve your dream in telling a story, like Detroit Become Human? There is many other story games out there.

Honestly I didn't want to write anything initially because I don't support this game, haven't played it, haven' paid anything, so Oceanlab don't owe me shit, but this game has always been interesting enough to be on my radar. The development cycle is a joke, deadlines are a joke, and things are slower than any of the other top developers who also makes great stories. What makes it worse is that, he somehow then dedicate more time for his other "child" WIAB, that is less popular. Honestly, I get people support Oceanlab given the great art and how he tries to make cinematography (which is bizarre cause why are you making a porn game), but wow, if you still support him after 5 6 months worth of delay, I'm sorry, I feel bad for you, clearly you are not financially responsible.

If anyone is still reading, well, thank you for hearing my rant. I can no longer hold back, Oceanlab is just a terrible businessman, terrible manager of his otherwise great talent. Oceanlab himself will probably never see this, but if he does, here is my unsolicited advice:
Prioritize, is it story? is it cinema? is it music? is it character development? Is this adult content? Make up your ****ing mind. If you don't have a big enough following or budget, you can't achieve your dream of wanting to do everything you want to. If you want everything, run a better business, have a steadier development cycle, hire and manage your talent properly. WAKE UP.
imagine being this mad over a game you have never played
 

KhamulTG81

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Copyright infringement seems a nightmare to deal with. Look how Youtube suffered with the laws of different countries with the years.
replace "seems" with "is"...

Music copyright infringement is one of the worst because the music industry, for many years now, is fighting for it's survival. You will get sued left and right and to make an example of you they will sue for exorbitant sums of money.

If defs use copyrighted music they have to licence it, there is no way around!
 

KhamulTG81

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Honestly I didn't want to write anything initially because I don't support this game, haven't played it...
Prioritize, is it story? is it cinema? is it music? is it character development?
... so you built your opinion about the def and the game based on what? ...comments within this thread? Are you serious? And on top of that you judge Oceans character without knowing any relevant detail about what drives his thought process much less decission making?
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Don't put Ocean in the same basket with other defs ffs!


Edit: Since the thread was "cleaned" the toxidity against the def increased and is destroying the harmony we once had here!
 
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Ragnar

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Some music can give your game an extra boost but it can be a bad idea too. Many players don't even play games with sound, there have been several pols about it in the past. And don't forget not everyone is into the same music, so you can be going that extra mile for nothing.
Now, paying 20k bucks for visual novel music is just o_O I mean, there are Royalties free music in the net and even if you don't find anything appealing to you there you can make something like: Chapter 1 Wake up and smell the Coffee, Chapter 2 Lean on Me and so on. Players can play that music in the background if they want and nobody can sue you for it.
 
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jose100

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Some music can give your game an extra boost but it can be a bad idea too. Many players don't even play games with sound, there have been several pols about it in the past. And don't forget not everyone is into the same music, so you can be going that extra mile for nothing.
Now, paying 20k bucks for visual novel music is just o_O I mean, there are Royalties free music in the net and even if you don't find anything appealing to you there you can make something like: Chapter 1 Wake up and smell the Coffee, Chapter 2 Lean on Me and so on. Players can play that music in the background if they want and nobody can sue you for it.
Tbh I could be one of those who once said "I don't play with music on" but I have been playing adult games for 5 years now, do you know how "music" was -and still is in some games- back in the days? a fucking loop with music from a mall center :ROFLMAO: I couldn't stand it.

Now games with a tracklist that adapts to the scenes is fucking amazing. And I am not the biggest fan of ambient sound and stuff but still is a nice touch. Wouldn't pay 20k for it but I respect it, and it would boost Oceanslab's confidence while working for sure.

So in resume, music from a mall centers and/or moans from porn it's asound off. A good tracklist that adapts to the scene BIG YES!
 

KhamulTG81

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...And don't forget not everyone is into the same music, so you can be going that extra mile for nothing.
Now, paying 20k bucks for visual novel music is just o_O I mean...
SAY AGAIN?
In a scene where Nami wants to punch the sh.. out of Bella because she thought "the bitch" hurt MC, this song starts playing...

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...now imagine the game would be full of awesome songs like this... 100% worth it just for the immersion alone. If he is able to find low cost "treasures" (!:poop: pleb music played on radio or TV) it shouldn't be that expensive.

BTW. Ocean has great taste in music!
 

LostGhost

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Tbh I could be one of those who once said "I don't play with music on" but I have been playing adult games for 5 years now, do you know how "music" was -and still is in some games- back in the days? a fucking loop with music from a mall center :ROFLMAO: I couldn't stand it.

Now games with a tracklist that adapts to the scenes is fucking amazing. And I am not the biggest fan of ambient sound and stuff but still is a nice touch. Wouldn't pay 20k for it but I respect it, and it would boost Oceanslab's confidence while working for sure.

So in resume, music from a mall centers and/or moans from porn it's asound off. A good tracklist that adapts to the scene BIG YES!
The games with perfectly synced music and great dialogues are better than high quality renders and animation.when I put a song from background the lyrics disturbs my reading and in game songs sometimes gives nostalgic feelings.
 
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JaZy2

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I am quite curious about one thing, when did Ocean start reworking previous chapters? Like did he start after he released a X update?
 

Meushi

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So Nami and the MC are no longer siblings but adoptive siblings?
Not in the Patreon version, they don't permit incest & Nami is one of the main love interests. You need to use the patch to restore the original relationships.
They never were in the first place.
Yes they were, prior to Ch 3 MC & Nami were biological siblings, Maja & Vic were siblings, the missing person Bella is torn up about was her sister. Like many devs, Oceanlab retconned his game to comply with Patreon's revised terms.
 
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