VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

Until it's revealed we're guessing and reading what we want to into the gaps. If someone refers to an asian lady as their mum, people would assume they're telling the truth, taking it someone's words at face value. That's why Zara mentions that she expected asians - because Noji probably refered to them as hers when organising dinner. After years people get tired of long explanations, stop explaining the full background, they just go with the shortened form.

Same with Nami being a redhead is just conversation - it's not because they look genetically similar at all - Jeff, Trey and Mila thought they were a couple, not siblings. Zara assumes that because Noji is introducting her kids (even though they're wards/foster/adopted whatever) that they're related. A stranger assumes they're related is proof of nothing, just like Jeff, Trey and Mila's assumption was wrong.

But yeah, based on looks I would assume two completely separate bloodlines, just like Trey, Mila and Jeff did, and be weirded out they they have such a sense of taboo over some things while being completely natural with others. I get that they are raised together in the vanilla version, and that some people would just have a wall in their mind because culturally they've been raised as siblings regardless of biology. But as far as looks? So dissimilar. Maja and Vic have at least some similiarities, Ocean's done two sets of twins. He's just made them they way he wants and we'll find out what percentage alien Nami really is at some point.

 

[RNasc4444]

And Ocean has said they are not. What is the fucking problem exactly? Why would he lie, given he admits it for WiAB? Why? Hmmm? That makes even less sense than this theory. I couldn't care less either way btw...just saying what is...which some folk have a seemingly hard time accepting (though no surprise around this place).

As for rationality and logic...you have actually read both VN's right? Right? lol...I love them both (WiAB more to be fair) but looking for rationality in either lmao...hahaha..,.that's a good one.

Ocean has also answered that for you. The reason why I believe he's lying is Patreon. Simple as that. Why doesn't he do the same for WiAB? Also easy to answer. WiAB makes much less money than SG. Ocean himself has admitted that. He is putting all of his eggs on the SG basket when it comes to financial success. So it would make sense that he does not want to jeopardize SG in any way while WiAB is more "disposable". He can't afford screenshots from discord being used against him in a case against Patreon.

Fully agree with you on the second part. Ocean is barely on the level of DPC when it comes to story writing yet for some reason many people here believe he's the Shakespeare of AVN's. That said, I think we would all like to believe that there is some level of coherence and logic in the story. It can't all be nonsense. If MC and Nami were to be unrelated then:

- Why the constant side eye from Nojiko? Why the fears regarding their "closeness"?
- Why do Nami and the MC view their relationship as taboo if they are unrelated? Why that conversation before getting to the pizza shop?
- Why those exchanges with Vanessa who is smart enough to see what's going on?
- If they are just roommates, why is Nami not choking on MC's cock every single morning to help with his "problem"?
- Why the fuck would these morons keep asking "Why is she red?" If they are unrelated and Nojiko just took in two orphans around the same time why would it be weird that Nami is a ginger?
- Why do MC and Nami speak about memories of their parents as if they do indeed share the same parentage?

I don't have an incest kink. I would prefer if they were not blood related as I intend for Nami to be endgame for me. But the entire fucking script so far really implies that they are. Not just the script but the renders themselves (ex: Nojiko's side eye). None of it would make sense if they don't somehow share the same parentage.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

Haha sweet summer child. Nika and Nami are siblings, either they are both related to the Zane's (which they are imo) or none of them is. Nojiko isnt hiding it from them, Ocean is hiding it from patreon. Nojiko, Nami and Nika are all aware about the relationship between each others and how they are related to each other it just cant be stated.

Katie went to the bookclub because of Nami (she didnt knew about Nika), Nami wears Leia's earring, there are more hints linking Nami to the Zane's compared to Nika at this point.

There would be no need at all to create the Nika/Nami relationship this convoluted if they werent related. Why would Zara ask Nika about Nami being a redhead if they were unrelated and so many other things which are completly nonsensial if they were in fact just roommates.

If user Krytax123 says they are siblings, this is absolutely true. After all, you write the story. Ocean, I forgot it was actually you. Wait, that was confidential information, I shouldn't have said that, sorry xD

 

[Matt2012021]

I just done understand what the big deal is either play without the patch or with it but I get it gotta argue about something while we wait for a release

 

[Maviarab]

Fully agree with you on the second part. Ocean is barely on the level of DPC when it comes to story writing

Bwahahahaha...really? You went there lol...

Please...never mention DPC again...more ridiculous then most stuff around here.

 

[Krytax123]

Until it's revealed we're guessing and reading what we want to into the gaps. If someone refers to an asian lady as their mum, people would assume they're telling the truth, taking it someone's words at face value. That's why Zara mentions that she expected asians - because Noji probably refered to them as hers when organising dinner. After years people get tired of long explanations, stop explaining the full background, they just go with the shortened form.

Same with Nami being a redhead is just conversation - it's not because they look genetically similar at all - Jeff, Trey and Mila thought they were a couple, not siblings. Zara assumes that because Noji is introducting her kids (even though they're wards/foster/adopted whatever) that they're related. A stranger assumes they're related is proof of nothing, just like Jeff, Trey and Mila's assumption was wrong.

But yeah, based on looks I would assume two completely separate bloodlines, just like Trey, Mila and Jeff did, and be weirded out they they have such a sense of taboo over some things while being completely natural with others. I get that they are raised together in the vanilla version, and that some people would just have a wall in their mind because culturally they've been raised as siblings regardless of biology. But as far as looks? So dissimilar. Maja and Vic have at least some similiarities, Ocean's done two sets of twins. He's just made them they way he wants and we'll find out what percentage alien Nami really is at some point.

Of course, Noji just announced bringing her "kids" along and Zara thoughts they were her biological kids which is reasonable to assume but its not about what others assume (in this case Zara), its about Nika's reaction.

Zara says: Dude, why is Nami a cheeto when youre related/family

and Nika replies: Yeah dont know how that happened

Which is nonsensical if they arent related at all, he would just clarify they both being adopted/not related and therefore there would be no reason for them to share any traits.

Its the same with Mila, Jeff and Trey - they assume that Nika and Nami are a couple - and Nika and Nami clarify that they are "Roommates" instead and everyone is like "Ooohhh, i didnt saw that coming!" and its made sounds logical that in this case they obviously couldnt be a couple.

Which is nonsensical, being roommates doesnt exclude being a couple while being siblings very much exclucdes being a couple (in non avn worldview lol) and makes their reactions logical.

Futhermore Nika mentions multiple times (for example after the hangout with mila and vic) how Nami's behavior (flirty, jealous, in love, emotional) could make them vulnerable and them being seen as wieird by others which is illogical, nobody would care about two roommates in love (nobody but noji) but somehow it is a big deal.

Its really such a reach to ignore all these mentions over and over again and again in the avn and imo only possible if youre deliberatly trying to not see them.

 

[sorco2003]

You can reply it as often as you want, youre still wrong.

Show me one quote of Ocean admiting to Incest in wiab (hint: you wont find it dude) and the patch for wiab isnt official and he never aknowledged being linked to the patch.

How do you want to know that he made the wiab patch but not the sg patch? There arent any incest patches on his patreon at all. I told you about this stuff already and you will chose to ignore it again anyway.

Show us ocean officially admitting to incest in wiab if your claim is true, you wont be able to.

He handles both avns exactly the same regarding incest and its the smart way to do considering how many devs at the moment getting banned/their sites checked on patreon because of incest-relations in their avns.

It is a good debate, both AVN have the same DNA, both have patches that appear together with the update (even before as well) both have as an answer in discord that "there are no family relationships" (that is easily found) but, here we have to put the brake, the user formerly known as Oceanlab, did not delete all incriminating posts in WIAB, which he did here in SG.

examples from discord
WIAB spoiler channel
other games channel

etc etc etc

 

[Krytax123]

It is a good debate, both AVN have the same DNA, both have patches that appear together with the update (even before as well) both have as an answer in discord that "there are no family relationships" (that is easily found) but, here we have to put the brake, the user formerly known as Oceanlab, did not delete all incriminating posts in WIAB, which he did here in SG.

examples from discord
View attachment 3249589 WIAB spoiler channel
View attachment 3249592 other games channel

etc etc etc

Im not on his discord anymore, can you show us some "incriminating posts" from him about wiab? i just see the opposite in your screenshots aka he is denying incest in any of his avns.

 

[sorco2003]

Im not on his discord anymore, can you show us some "incriminating posts" from him about wiab? i just see the opposite in your screenshots aka he is denying incest in any of his avns.

It is not in Discord. It is in the WIAB thread in F95.

 

[RNasc4444]

just want to make sure.

ch 1 by Regium
ch 2 by Ocean & Regium
ch 3 by Ocean
ch 3.5 by Ocean, start of rework ?
ch 4 by Ocean, rework of ch 1 complete ?
ch 4.5 by Ocean, reworked ch 2 by 2/3 ?
ch 5 beta by Ocean, rework of ch 2 and modification of ch 3 and 3.5 ?


BTW, it's been a while since I played the first SG chapter, I forgot where the ending chapters 1 - 4 are.

I'm replying for visibility. Maybe some better SG historian can help you out.

All I can say is that CH3 already included a part of the lastest rework such as the intro. So I believe the latest rework started there and not 3.5. I remember clearly because CH3.5 is when the game dropped from my top1 to outside my top10. Ocean started introducing some heavy changes to the story, scenes and characters themselves which ultimately morphed the entire nature of the game.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Im not on his discord anymore, can you show us some "incriminating posts" from him about wiab? i just see the opposite in your screenshots aka he is denying incest in any of his avns.

Any dev that has Patreon will deny anything and everything....especially with how hard Patreon is cracking down, both games have had patches since the beginning, literally the first few posts from each game talk about said "tag"... when the game first got posted years ago.

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[Krytax123]

Any dev that has Patreon will deny anything and everything....especially with how hard Patreon is cracking down, both games have had patches since the beginning, literally the first few posts from each game talk about said "tag"... when the game first got posted years ago.

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I think you got me wrong, im arguing that both games are indeed huge piles of incest but Ocean would never want/is not able to state this officially (which is good and smart, just look at patreon at the moment) while the other user tried to imply that only Wiab has incest and everyone is entirely unrelated in SG.

You actually kinda somewhat copied my earlier comment about both having incest patches and ocean not being able to clarify it because of patreon.

A former poster mentioned that Ocean officially stated that wiab has incest (in contradiction to SG and therfore SG doesnt have incest in his opinion) and i asked about proof for that.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Of course, Noji just announced bringing her "kids" along and Zara thoughts they were her biological kids which is reasonable to assume but its not about what others assume (in this case Zara), its about Nika's reaction.

Zara says: Dude, why is Nami a cheeto when youre related/family

and Nika replies: Yeah dont know how that happened

Which is nonsensical if they arent related at all, he would just clarify they both being adopted/not related and therefore there would be no reason for them to share any traits.

Its the same with Mila, Jeff and Trey - they assume that Nika and Nami are a couple - and Nika and Nami clarify that they are "Roommates" instead and everyone is like "Ooohhh, i didnt saw that coming!" and its made sounds logical that in this case they obviously couldnt be a couple.

Which is nonsensical, being roommates doesnt exclude being a couple while being siblings very much exclucdes being a couple (in non avn worldview lol) and makes their reactions logical.

Futhermore Nika mentions multiple times (for example after the hangout with mila and vic) how Nami's behavior (flirty, jealous, in love, emotional) could make them vulnerable and them being seen as wieird by others which is illogical, nobody would care about two roommates in love (nobody but noji) but somehow it is a big deal.

Its really such a reach to ignore all these mentions over and over again and again in the avn and imo only possible if youre deliberatly trying to not see them.

My point is that based purely on looks, there are zero assumptions that can be made about their relationships. When seeing them, people in game have difficulty reconciling what their eyes see to the apparent relationship they are told. I mean, they both have two eyes and two nostrils each, but they're really on opposite sides. I can understand why people in game get confused by their appearance.

Although I personally think it makes sense for them to be related, the plausible deniability is there. When I play, either
- they were raised together as kids to think of each other as family (official release) and this feels off kilter and slightly nonsensical.
- the game is patched by an evil modder and the dialogue feels plausible, but they just have their own look as a red herring and no one recognises that they are related.

The intent of the story is plausible denaibility in all things

Plausible deniability in the Trey, Jeff and Mila conversation is simply - "ohhhh you live together, that why you seem so close." The thing that doesn't make align isn't that but the way they have an inbuilt taboo towards each other.

WiaB is much harder to do the deniability thing. SG just seems stilted and odd if you don't make that assumption, but WiaB really struggles to make sense without the evil modder's help.

 

[Harmonyrose]

just want to make sure.

ch 1 by Regium
ch 2 by Ocean & Regium
ch 3 by Ocean
ch 3.5 by Ocean, start of rework ?
ch 4 by Ocean, rework of ch 1 complete ?
ch 4.5 by Ocean, reworked ch 2 by 2/3 ?
ch 5 beta by Ocean, rework of ch 2 and modification of ch 3 and 3.5 ?


BTW, it's been a while since I played the first SG chapter, I forgot where the ending chapters 1 - 4 are.

so we have to play 2 time ?
one until ch 3.5
another one ch 1-5?
to see all the works?

 

[BobTheDuck]

so we have to play 2 time ?
one until ch 3.5
another one ch 1-5?
to see all the works?

No, just play the Ch 5 version. The stuff until Ch 3.5 is now reworked. You can play it, but it's never going in those slightly different directions again, so only play those old versions for curiosity. Ch5 has the whole game from the start.

 

[Krytax123]

My point is that based purely on looks, there are zero assumptions that can be made about their relationships. When seeing them, people in game have difficulty reconciling what their eyes see to the apparent relationship they are told. I mean, they both have two eyes and two nostrils each, but they're really on opposite sides. I can understand why people in game get confused by their appearance.

Although I personally think it makes sense for them to be related, the plausible deniability is there. When I play, either
- they were raised together as kids to think of each other as family (official release) and this feels off kilter and slightly nonsensical.
- the game is patched by an evil modder and the dialogue feels plausible, but they just have their own look as a red herring and no one recognises that they are related.

I dont know, i know a lot of siblings rt who dont look similar to each other at all, its not really uncommon and its not like one of them is asian or black or something really outstanding compared to the other.

I mean .. do you see any resembalance between William and Katie Zane? I dont even see the resembalance between the twins William and Leia other than one eye lol.

WiaB is much harder to do the deniability thing. SG just seems stilted and odd if you don't make that assumption, but WiaB really struggles to make sense without the evil modder's help.

Yeah Wiab is entirely nonsensical without the fixed relations, while SG is only partially nonsensical without fixed relations.

The intent of the story is plausible denaibility in all things

At this point im not even sure if some posters here really believe theres no incest in SG or if they are trying to create deniability in case patreon looks over this thread lol (*cough* if thats the case send me a pm guys and i will stop arguing *cough*).

 

[jaw1986baby]

My point was :

Nojiko is very clearly Adoptive Mother. But he has to call her Landlady, which is nonsensical. Why the nonsense??

If we accept Adoptive mother (which is obviously the truth) then Nami and MC are at MINIMUM adoptive siblings.
But even that connection is a BAN risk from Patron. They be shitty dumb inbred morons like that
Which is why he has to say "Landlady"

The reason he has to maintain that is that if you connect Discord to your Patron as a reward for subs Patron will monitor that discord server and if they see the violation of no family (as defined stupidly, the Patron way) they will still use that to BAN.

So for safety he has to insist. However, once he launches on Steam - that version can have all the incest he wants because Steam does NOT care.

Remember Ocean's Original Itch page stated incest as content from his own set up. But we have to have dumb labels for money from Patron so that is why the patch is Canon. (WAY WAY back in this very thread I have the screencap of this)

But at the very least, there should be an Adoptive mom and sibling patch because yeah "Landlady" is fucking moronic.





PEACE

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

My point was :

Nojiko is very clearly Adoptive Mother. But he has to call her Landlady, which is nonsensical. Why the nonsense??

If we accept Adoptive mother (which is obviously the truth) then Nami and MC are at MINIMUM adoptive siblings.
But even that connection is a BAN risk from Patron. They be shitty dumb inbred morons like that
Which is why he has to say "Landlady"

The reason he has to maintain that is that if you connect Discord to your Patron as a reward for subs Patron will monitor that discord server and if they see the violation of no family (as defined stupidly, the Patron way) they will still use that to BAN.

So for safety he has to insist. However, once he launches on Steam - that version can have all the incest he wants because Steam does NOT care.

Remember Ocean's Original Itch page stated incest as content from his own set up. But we have to have dumb labels for money from Patron so that is why the patch is Canon. (WAY WAY back in this very thread I have the screencap of this)

But at the very least, there should be an Adoptive mom and sibling patch because yeah "Landlady" is fucking moronic.





PEACE

Once upon a time, games with sexual content were banned on Steam. After downloading the game from Steam, the sexual content of the game could be unlocked with other files provided by the producer. I wonder since when Steam changed this policy. I've been thinking about this for a while

 

[Cabin Fever]

I'm replying for visibility. Maybe some better SG historian can help you out.

All I can say is that CH3 already included a part of the lastest rework such as the intro. So I believe the latest rework started there and not 3.5. I remember clearly because CH3.5 is when the game dropped from my top1 to outside my top10. Ocean started introducing some heavy changes to the story, scenes and characters themselves which ultimately morphed the entire nature of the game.

No need for a historian. The info is all there in the Change log in the OP.

The "rework" in Ch3 was more or less just a redux of the intro with Summer with new renderings. It did not really change the story in any meaningful way.

More changes were done with Ch3.5 but again, it's basically just new and improved renderings, with nothing that really changed the story in a meaningful way.

The real "rework" started with Ch4 when the first day of school was altered significantly with new events and characters.

 

[Maviarab]

No need for a historian. The info is all there in the Change log in the OP.

The "rework" in Ch3 was more or less just a redux of the intro with Summer with new renderings. It did not really change the story in any meaningful way.

More changes were done with Ch3.5 but again, it's basically just new and improved renderings, with nothing that really changed the story in a meaningful way.

The real "rework" started with Ch4 when the first day of school was altered significantly with new events and characters.

CF...c'mon dude...stop stating facts and sense again. You know the masses don't like it